| 23:22 | troy_s | Okie. Thanks Bertl_oO .
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| 23:23 | troy_s | philippej: ^^. I will also create a task.
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| 23:29 | troy_s | Apparently I have progress!
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| 23:30 | Bertl_oO | don't let it get too far :)
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| 23:36 | troy_s | It didn't. I mashed buttons and got three email verifications, but now when I add my original email it stalls out again.
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| 23:36 | troy_s | Ugh.
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| 23:37 | Bertl_oO | you sure your "original" email is not filtering the messages out as spam or something like that?
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| 23:41 | ar | 3r/37
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| 23:41 | ar | sorry
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| 23:41 | Bertl_oO | no problem, nice to hear from you ar!
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| 23:41 | ar | n/p
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| 23:42 | ar | the one thing i'm actually interested now is a full-frame still-photo camera
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| 23:42 | ar | but i'm not sure if such sensors are available and suitable for your project
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| 23:42 | Bertl_oO | the CMV20k is a full frame sensor
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| 23:46 | ar | Bertl_oO: it's not listed at http://apertus.org/axiom-beta-imagesensors, right?
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| 23:47 | Bertl_oO | correct, but we have been investigating it and a sensor frontend would be possible
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| 23:48 | Bertl_oO | http://www.cmosis.com/assets/generate-single-pdfs.php?products=cmv20000
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| 23:51 | ar | specs look fine, as long as my totally lame eye is concerned
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| 23:52 | ar | i'll need to get a second look when not drunk (i'm at the warsaw hackerspace assembly at 32c3 now and i just finished another long island)
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| 00:16 | Bertl_oO | off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
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| 00:53 | intracube | the cmv20000 is 4:3 format which makes me think super35 dimensions
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| 00:54 | intracube | so similar to the cmv12000 but higher pixel count?
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| 00:54 | intracube | and not FF 35mm still format (3:2 aspect)
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| 00:55 | intracube | odd that Cmosis don't just list the width/height on the spec sheet
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| 01:51 | troy_s | intracube: Square aspect
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| 01:51 | troy_s | intracube: On the sensel sites I suspect, so you should be able to deduce the dimensions
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| 05:52 | Bertl | morning folks!
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| 06:10 | alexML | morning
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| 06:18 | troy_s | Morning all.
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| 06:21 | troy_s | Ffffffff
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| 06:23 | Bertl | 2^32-1
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| 07:35 | troy_s | Bertl: Smart ass.
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| 07:36 | troy_s | OK. One earthquake per year is enough. Good night.
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| 07:42 | Bertl | nn
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| 09:08 | se6astian | good morning
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| 09:08 | Bertl | morning se6astian!
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| 09:29 | aombk2 | oh great, the couch video is out
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| 09:30 | se6astian | yes :)
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| 09:32 | Bertl | good that it wasn't delayed much :)
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| 09:32 | se6astian | they claimed they were just waiting for the perfect moment to release it :P
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| 09:35 | aombk2 | heh
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| 10:30 | danieel | ar: 12bit and 41dB SNR is very poor for stills camera, the architecture of cmosis is not optimized for that (GS only, 12 bit max)
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| 10:37 | Bertl | off for now ... bbl
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| 11:19 | ar | danieel: thanks
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| 13:34 | mimi | dear all from apertus, is someone from you still at 32c3 congress?
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| 13:36 | se6astian | I think matthias is still there
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| 13:36 | se6astian | pmed you his email address
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| 13:36 | mimi | until when? If I find time between the talks I'd like to visit you
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| 13:36 | mimi | thanks a lot
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| 13:37 | mimi | I'd just like to see the camera in real :)
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| 13:44 | se6astian | great, just email him, I have no idea how lon he will stay
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| 14:42 | parasew | hi i am still at the congress today, in case somebody wants to meet up best would be at 17:45 or 20:00 at the crypto bar (in front of saal g)
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| 15:21 | Mined | Looking at one of your speeches on YouTube
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| 15:21 | Mined | Awesome project
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| 15:47 | se6astian | Mined: thanks, let us know if you have any questions
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| 15:53 | aombk2 | se6astian, i was worrying you may come out as hostile but you did good on that couch interview. nice :)
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| 15:57 | tyrone | hi all...
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| 15:59 | aombk2 | hi tyrone
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| 16:03 | tyrone | is sebastian active? or are all in party mode :-)
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| 16:03 | tyrone | it's quiet....
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| 16:04 | Bertl_oO | is that so? :)
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| 16:09 | _tyrone | ohh the dev master is active :-)
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| 16:17 | se6astian | we are always having a party in here
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| 16:17 | se6astian | aombk2: thanks, I wasnt sure how exactly it would look from the outside as well :)
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| 16:26 | aombk2 | Bertl_oO, when will we see you in a debate?
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| 16:29 | Bertl_oO | whenever there is something technical to discuss :)
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| 16:32 | _tyrone | nice to hear :-)
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| 17:24 | John_K | @se6astian @Bertl_oO: is there an easy way to trace where the different voltage domains (NW/NN/NE) go to on the different boards?
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| 17:25 | John_K | trying to make sure I put the right pots on the right LDO
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| 17:53 | Bertl_oO | yes, the schematic for the sensor board explains which voltage is what
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| 17:54 | Bertl_oO | (for the sensor) including the proper ranges
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| 17:54 | Bertl_oO | http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Stuff/AXIOM/BETA/axiom_beta_sensor_cmv12000_zif_v0.18_r1.2.pdf
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| 18:30 | Bertl_oO | hello gunnar!
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| 19:08 | gunnar | Hi, good evening, Bertl
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| 19:10 | gunnar | (Sorry for the delay, I was watching your 32C3 presentation, and then went astray on your website)
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| 19:12 | Bertl_oO | no problem, IRC is perfectly fine with long delays
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| 19:15 | gunnar | Would it be technically feasible to use alternating, different exposure times with the Axiom Beta? (I'm thinking of an exposure stack needed for HDR)
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| 19:15 | Bertl_oO | sure, why not?
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| 19:16 | Bertl_oO | the CMV12k also supports two HDR modes natively
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| 19:17 | gunnar | *searching for CMV12k*
| | 19:18 | gunnar | Is the CMV12k the sensor used in the Beta?
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| 19:18 | Bertl_oO | yep, the k is for thousand, i.e. the sensor is called CMV12000
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| 19:19 | Bertl_oO | https://github.com/apertus-open-source-cinema/alpha-hardware/blob/master/Datasheets/datasheet_CMV12000%20v1.12.pdf
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| 19:19 | gunnar | So I should RTFM, (and thanks for the link, you beat me...)
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| 19:19 | Bertl_oO | it's a slightly older datasheet, but it has the relevant parts
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| 19:20 | Bertl_oO | you can get a newer one from cmosis without any problems (i.e. no NDA)
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| 19:21 | gunnar | That's rare (the _without NDA_ part) , and very positive. Will look into it right now
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| 19:22 | Bertl_oO | it is one of the reasons we are using the cmosis sensors
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| 19:22 | Bertl_oO | no point in doing FOSS/OH with an undocumented sensor :)
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| 19:25 | Bertl_oO | chapter 5.3 are the HDR modes
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| 19:25 | gunnar | page 32, just reading it....
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| 19:26 | se6astian | latest datasheet is actually here: https://github.com/apertus-open-source-cinema/beta-hardware/tree/master/Datasheets
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| 19:26 | gunnar | CMV12k even supports linewise interleaved exposure times, sweet...
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| 19:26 | se6astian | CMV12000 has version 1 (150 FPS) and version 2 (300 FPS) other than that the datasheets should be similar/identical
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| 19:27 | gunnar | Do you use 8, 10 or 12 bit output, or do you plan to make this user selectable?
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| 19:30 | se6astian | 12bit currently
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| 19:30 | se6astian | user selectable would be prefered at some point in the future
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| 19:32 | gunnar | 12 bit is probably the best choice for now, I agree, and probably one of the main difficulties is to level feature requests versus implementation manpower....
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| 19:33 | gunnar | So, did you do a signal / noise calculation on the 12 bits? How many bits "hold", how much frame-by-frame noise is there, roughly?
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| 19:37 | se6astian | http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=11787.msg129672#msg129672
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| 19:43 | gunnar | You guys are amazingly helpful, thanks, will be reading a while...
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| 19:48 | se6astian | you are welcome :)
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| 20:28 | troy_s | How goes it se6astian ?
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| 20:28 | troy_s | irieger: You have been MIA for a bit. Awaiting your return.
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| 20:29 | se6astian | good good, thanks :)
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| 21:00 | ar | se6astian: 12bit is all available color space, or 12bit/channel?
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| 21:02 | se6astian | bayer pattern
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| 21:02 | se6astian | 12bit per channel
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| 21:12 | troy_s | Bit depth is not a colour space.
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| 21:24 | gunnar | Read the 11-page thread, and A1ex's improvements to FPN, and it seems that there is still room for improvement. Just a silly thought: Since FPN might also be affected by Vcc filtering, and I seem to spot a FPGA directly on the "Main Board", are you sure you are filtering Vcc and keeping Vcc of the Sensor and Vcc of the FPGA as separated as possible?
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| 21:25 | gunnar | To be honest, I just drew my assumptions from a picture of the "Main Board", and did not look yet at any PCB layout files.
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| 21:26 | gunnar | And I hop I do not insult you, Bertl....
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| 21:26 | gunnar | *hope
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| 22:28 | se6astian | going to bed
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| 22:28 | se6astian | I am sure Bertl will be able to answer your question gunnar
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| 22:33 | Bertl_oO | @gunnar no problem with constructive criticism here ...
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| 22:34 | Bertl_oO | regarding the FPN part, an insufficient filtering or noise on VCC would result in dynamic noise on the sensor
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| 22:34 | Bertl_oO | FPN is something systematic which is tied to the sensor acquisition in some way
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| 22:35 | Bertl_oO | regarding the FPGA, we have two on the mainboard actually, but they use completely different supply rails than the sensor, so the crosstalk should be minimal
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| 22:47 | aombk2 | hey Bertl_oO are you there?
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| 22:48 | Bertl_oO | kind of ...
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| 22:49 | aombk2 | interesting
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| 22:50 | aombk2 | so i wanted to ask, is there a possibility after all is complete to make any module for a lower end tiny sensor?
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| 22:50 | Bertl_oO | sure, you "just" have to replace the sensor frontend PCB by your own design
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| 22:51 | Bertl_oO | we will probably give a template to start from, but for now you can simply use the CMV12k one and get rid of everything CMV12k specific you don't need
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| 22:52 | aombk2 | you dont plan designing more PCBs in the future
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| 22:52 | aombk2 | ?
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| 22:52 | Bertl_oO | we plan to do PCBs for the CMV2/4k and the KAC
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| 22:53 | aombk2 | yes i know about that
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| 22:53 | Bertl_oO | if there will be "interesting" and well documented sensors available, we will do frontends for those as well
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| 22:55 | aombk2 | great. i think at some point a small sensor for macro photography / videography would be useful
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