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2014/09/30

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aombk
if there is a pcie card with two or three hdmi inputs you can test your experimental 4k 180fps
04:11
Bertl
yup
04:53
Bertl
off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
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Bertl
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se6astian|away
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09:36
se6astian
good morning
09:37
KurtAugust
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09:41
KurtAugust
Hi, a reply to a comment made yesterday --quote 20:56 aombk: this whole dslr blog/news sites thing is very disappointing. after having contacted many of them i am starting to believe most of them host ONLY paid articles/advertisements. 116 --end quote. To be honest, I think quite a few blogs have reported on it and you can't really blame them for not writing articles on Apertus daily as there is not anything really new to report
09:54
KurtAugust
Can I ask about the funding? So, you're still about 35k short... what are the options? Try to get some high profile spenders involved that don't mind donating a thousand euro? If you're counting on smaller donations, like 20 euro, you would almost need 2000 people, which I don't see happening soon. On the other hand, you have some so far. Loosing the budget that you have right now, would be so stupid. Is there an option to fill
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09:57
KurtAugust
last day of the indiegogo campain. I mean, if I need a loan and can show the bank I have already 70% of the budget covered, my chances are pretty good. Interest rates are low. Anyway, don't want to pry, but rather to help to reach your goal.
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10:26
se6astian
KurtAugust: We appreciate your concerns
10:26
se6astian
statistically campaigns gain momentum at the end of their funding period
10:26
se6astian
so we have high hopes for a strong finish
10:27
se6astian
also we will announce some more big news today that hopefully get us some attention again
10:35
KurtAugust
Well, keep up the good vibe then! Normally, I keep out of the way of crowdsourcing campaigns, so my knowledge is very limited. I just would hate it if you should miss your appointment with history by a hair.
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daFred
Is an option for the supporters to make a deposit of 2000 Eur? Maybe you don't get all the 100000 Eur for development but you want lose all the rest...
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11:25
se6astian
daFred: you mean asking people for a downpayment for the 1900/2300⬠alrady now?
11:25
anton7
Hi, interesting that Hamster spoke of a milled metalic back serving as a heatsink for Zinq. I was wishing for exactly the same. The fan on top doesn't look that appealing.
11:26
se6astian
a heatsink alone is no solution, you need to not just collect the heat but also move it away somehow
11:26
anton7
Creating vibrations, noise, taking a valuable mounting point, bringing in dust and debris
11:27
anton7
Besides the its nice to have a strong metallic body - the lens can be heavy there can be follow focus
11:29
anton7
Sebastian, if Zynq was connected to metallic camera back like a CPU to a heatsink wouldn't the back of the camera be large enough to pass the heat on to the outside air?
11:29
daFred
se6astian: yes, maybe a option for the last two days. Better then a stone on the head :-) ((austrian english...))
11:32
anton7
http://i072.radikal.ru/1409/a5/4020892398b6.png
11:34
anton7
The only reason i was not talking of the metal body with no fan earlier was bacause the crowdfunding campaign seemed and still seems a much bigger concern
11:39
daFred
What do you think about the stupid idea to use profiles like this http://www.item24.at/home/produkte/produktkatalog/produktdetails/products/konstruktionsprofile-12/128.html as a standard module housing?
11:41
se6astian
anton7: where would the connectors for the modules be in your concept?
11:42
se6astian
if we can find readily available parts for the modules that would be great
11:42
se6astian
but the Beta has the extensions module at the front sides not the back
11:42
se6astian
you are already planning the AXIOM Gamma :)
11:44
anton7
Sebastian, didn't think hard of connectors... Maybe vertical on right and left so as not to interfere with vertical air flow?
11:45
anton7
Anyway, my main point was that I'd love to see Beta in a metal body. If needed the back of the cam can have ribs as in my pic, possibly even allow a fan to be attached externally
11:46
anton7
A sealed camera would have its advantages
11:47
anton7
Also if the body is metal you can allow attachment holes to screw stuff right to the camera
11:49
se6astian
we wil hold another survey about the enclosure and see what people prefer
11:49
se6astian
the material choice will have a big influence on the manufacturing method and thus resulting price
11:51
anton7
Fair enough
11:51
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11:51
KurtAugust
http://www.ioindustries.com/provideo/products/4ksdi_overview.html Same sensor. Seems to do well without a fan.
11:52
anton7
With a metal body _mayby_ you can save on a cage which may offset the extra cost
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11:55
anton7
Kurt, sensor sizes for 4ksdi is 22.5 x 11.88mm Is it really same sensor? Also Axiom is likely to run its Zynq much harder. Yet I would think that making the whole cam body into a heatsink may be sufficient.
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KurtAugust
That's what IO told me at IBC. They're also somewhere mentioned in a Cmosis brochure. But yes, different processing. I do think it is essential to keep the sensor dirt free. Having it different would be a major design flaw.
12:04
KurtAugust
(of course, in my opinion)
12:05
KurtAugust
Both Arri (Alexa) and Sony (fs-7) are working with heatpipes. Cion seems to be pretty unprotected, though.
12:07
danieel
it is same sensor
12:07
danieel
do not confuse 4K and UHD
12:08
se6astian
also keep in mind the Beta is meant as a development kit, an affordable starting point to get many people involved, it is not meant to solve all issues and problems from day one
12:10
Bertl_zZ
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12:10
Bertl
morning folks!
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anton7
KurtAugust: do the heatpipes on Arri etc go to the sensor only to the processor only or to both? In my view Beta needs no heatpipes for the processor as it can attach directly to a large external radiator - the back side of the cam
12:16
danieel
Bertl: DP is not TMDS and DP is better and cheaper than HDMI
12:17
danieel
anton7: in alexa there are two separate cooling circuits, one for sensor and one for electronics, so that they do not affect each other
12:27
Bertl
danieel: thanks for clarifying
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anton7
Speaking on the cooling again - if it turns out that a metal camera body is not able to dissipate the heat from Zynq then it doesn't seem likely a small fan on the top would do the job either. Then ribs on the back side and a large external fan still look like a better choice.
13:28
Bertl
well, maybe build both and test the options, note that the main purpose of the fan on top is to cool the sensor, not the zynq
13:29
Bertl
we are always open to suggestions, especially if they come with good arguments, like for example test results
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daFred
the tube in front of the sensor is a big heat sink. We also can add some ribs at the outside of the tube...
13:46
Bertl
if it is made of metal, then yes
13:46
Bertl
but note that the sensor does heat up on the back more than on the front/side
13:49
daFred
and there are all the pins, so we need airflow!
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13:59
anton7
Well this guy nightskyinfocus.com/diyprojects/canon-450d-dslr-modification was able to drive a copper plate under d450 sensor despite the pins. Not sure if it is possible with the sensor board designed for Beta. Perhaps might be a good idea too see if the board could be designed in such a way that this option is left open
14:03
Bertl
this is one concept we already considered, we will see what is doable there and what not
14:03
Bertl
a main problem remains the rather expensive but otherwise primitive socket for the CMV12k
14:04
Bertl
so it would really help to find alternative socket solutions for the CMV12k pingrid
14:11
anton7
â¬90 for a socket! Wow
14:12
anton7
EUR 90 I mean..
14:28
danieel
well, they are priced same whatever the layout is
14:31
anton7
Well once the socket has been soldered to the board perhaps one could take a dremel or wire cutters to the socket to remove the side walls and allow the metal plate to go under?
14:36
anton7
Or perhaps for that price (and it does look like these sockets are custom made) they could make side walls in such a shape that it is easier to remove them after soldering - e.g. easier to break off
14:39
Bertl
Andon wasn't very cooperative in regard of changing anything, well, I'm sure they would for the right price, but do you want to pay the same for sensor and socket? :)
14:39
Bertl
so searching for viable alternatives would be a good start
14:40
Bertl
I had a look at the so-called peel-away sockets, which might be suitable for the purpose
14:40
Bertl
(but we haven't heard back from the companies offering them yet)
14:45
se6astian
even after contacting them several times and through different channels
14:45
se6astian
it appears they dont want to sell us anything
14:46
danieel
i had no problem with andon, they were quite surprised that I know of a product which is "future" and the sockets were instantly ready (for KAC)
14:56
anton7
Department of stupid ideas here: cut a hole in the pcb under the sensor and drive a cleverly shaped metal plate from the bottom side. If the socket is surface mounted this may be easier
14:58
aombk
the campaign seems to have had a push forward for some reason
14:58
aombk
can you understand what did it from something?
15:00
Bertl
I guess it is the ML team-up
15:01
Bertl
danieel: so you got a socket which allows you to properly cool the sensor? care to share the details?
15:04
danieel
anton7: not a stupid idea
15:04
danieel
http://home.rozsnyo.com/kac-sensor-socket-board.jpeg
15:08
danieel
uncooled sensor without any thermal management gets to at most 45deg (internal reading).. so you should rather cool/separate the fpga, than care about a sensor (big package with relatively low power)
15:10
Bertl
what a shame that danieel doesn't share his designs ...
15:25
PhilippeJ
It would be interestng to test if the most important is having the sensor as cool as possible, or have the same temperature all the time (which is a bit different), for correct calibration for instance.
15:25
danieel
of course the 2nd... look at arri
15:29
Bertl
both is relevant, higher temperature on the sensor means exponentially more thermal noise
15:30
Bertl
constant temperature means predictable noise pattern
15:30
danieel
it is not about predictability, rather to say - stability
15:31
danieel
predicting noise would be like winning the lottery, no?
15:31
Bertl
nobody said anything about predicting noise
15:34
danieel
then what you have meant?
15:35
Bertl
I meant what I wrote, it gives a predictable noise pattern
15:36
Bertl
as the noise changes with temperature, the pattern changes as well
15:36
Bertl
so compensation and algorithms have to adapt to the changes
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15:49
PhilippeJ
do you know at what temperature the fpga runs curently in alpha, and at what max temp it can run?
15:51
Bertl
depends on the actual FPGA used, but typically 85+ °C is fine for the FPGA
15:52
Bertl
for FPGA tempertures on the alpha you have to ask se6astian
15:53
Bertl
(it is available from the commandline at any time)
15:56
PhilippeJ
Thanks. 85° is pretty high, so I guess the sensor will need more cooling than the fpga.
15:57
Bertl
typically yes, as about 60°C for the sensor is already too high
15:58
se6astian
gotta go
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se6astian
bbl
15:58
se6astian
big update ahead tonight :)
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se6astian
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15:58
aombk
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermoelectric_cooling ?
16:00
Bertl
yes, we have been considering the use of Peltier elements, but it isn't trivial to attach them to the sensor
16:01
Bertl
it will definitely be the preferred solution for the AXIOM Gamma
16:04
anton7
Ok the sensor needs to be cool. However which one produces more heat? If its Zynq might it be that it is enough to cool just the Zynq - so that it does not heat the sensor? And then the metal back would do the job?
16:06
anton7
Re attaching the Peltier - have you seen what that guy did with Canon d450? He attached the copper plate to the sensor let the plate go outside and attached the Peltier between the copper plate and an external heatsink
16:07
anton7
With a fan on the heatsink he got ice!
16:07
anton7
The sensor went subzeri
16:07
anton7
Subzero
16:10
anton7
Well I don't know how much energy that takes of course
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anton7
Could be an upgrade pack for Beta - so long as you design it in such a way that it is possible to add later
16:13
Bertl
maybe
16:14
PhilippeJ
I have the feeling that Peltier cooling will consume too much power on battery. That's just a feeling :-)
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anton7
even if zynq is well cooled and does not heat the sensor up and if the emphasis is on stability... and the battery is biggish... and there is a way to switch it off..
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anton7
Another idea: record sensor temp alongside raw, apply different noise compensation depending on temp in post.
16:41
anton7
A Peltier can help build the profiles - by heating and cooling to a range of temperatures as needed
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Bertl
yep, indeed an option ... please make sure to collect those ideas somewhere, preferably on the wiki
16:46
anton7
Sure, shall we start a new page?
16:47
Bertl
if there isn't an appropriate page somewhere, then by all means yes
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anton7
Updated: http://wiki.apertus.org/index.php?title=Cooling and http://wiki.apertus.org/index.php?title=Noise_Reduction
17:58
aombk
Peltier devices also generate electricity
17:59
Bertl
if there is a temperature difference, yes, i.e. it is the reverse operation
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aombk
Panasonic PGS looks very interesting
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philippej
take this one for example : http://www.unitednuclear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=27_37&products_id=456
18:24
philippej
max 9A @ 15V :-/
18:24
Bertl
yeah, I have some of those on my shelf
18:25
Bertl
but it doesn't mean that you have to use it at the highest current
18:27
philippej
realistically I'd say, it cant' draw more than one amp at 15V if it is to be battery powered
18:28
Bertl
that is 15 Watt, multiply it with the efficiency and you get the potential heat transport
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anton7
Need to compare that with how much CMV12000 and/or Zynq is drawing, right?
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se6astian|away
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18:41
anton7
Actually CMV12000 spreadsheet lists power consumption of only 2W
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se6astian
back
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Gegsite
sexy?
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se6astian
you find my back sexy? :)
18:50
Gegsite
its a Q haha
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19:08
se6astian
any native speakers here?
19:08
se6astian
new update release immanent
19:08
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19:08
se6astian
would hate to release it full of errors again :)
19:08
se6astian
like the last update
19:08
se6astian
ah philippej
19:08
se6astian
you can have a look please
19:11
intracube
se6astian: I can take a look
19:12
se6astian
great
19:12
intracube
se6astian: and I've spoken to a moderator at blenderartists.org about posting about the axiom project in their News section
19:12
intracube
I'm doing a draft post for that now
19:14
Bertl
great! appreciated!
19:20
se6astian
wunderful!
19:20
Bertl
s/u/o/
19:20
intracube
how do I comment/chat in googledocs?
19:21
intracube
oops, I might have closed some message there
19:22
intracube
it looks odd having the prices to three decimal places
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20:07
aombk
the campaign looks like it might slowly but steady take off.
20:08
intracube
will the 16mm variant do 60fps initially?
20:12
se6astian
very likely yes
20:12
aombk
se6astian Bertl heres an idea. for developers who cant afford or dont care about the sensor and resolution and fps etc but want to do tests, maybe you could offer a version with a crappy and small sensor.
20:12
se6astian
as we can already output 108Ãp60 on the Alpha
20:13
se6astian
the 16mm is small and affordable, not crappy though :)
20:13
Bertl
aombk: the cmv2000/4000 can be considered a crappy and small sensor :)
20:13
se6astian
it wont get much cheaper than that?
20:13
se6astian
it wont get much cheaper than that!
20:14
aombk
about how much do these sensors cost?
20:15
intracube
the only thing that might be confusing about the new release is the first image is a bit ambiguous about the frame rates
20:16
intracube
it's not clear if it's the sensor's capability or the camera at launch
20:16
Bertl
the cameras capability at launch will probably be like 1FPS
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20:17
intracube
then it would be worth saying that!
20:17
Bertl
as we plan to finish the hardware first and work on the software while already shipping the devices
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20:18
Bertl
but it isn't relevant, because the software updates will allow to utilize the Beta to the full extent
20:18
Bertl
if you want to get highest framerate when the device is shipped, just let us know and we'll defer shipping till we 'finished' the software
20:19
Bertl
do not make the error to compare the AXIOM with commercial cameras
20:19
intracube
Bertl: I'm just concerned there might be some vocal people who complain that the camera that just arrived in the post can only do 1fps
20:20
Bertl
there is no 'launch date' there is no fixed software, there is no artificial limit
20:20
Bertl
I'm pretty sure we will get those
20:20
Bertl
there are always folks who do not get the big picture
20:21
Bertl
but as I said, communication is key, we will ask folks and those who do not want the hardware early, will get the hardware when the software is 'useable'
20:22
intracube
^ yes, this is key
20:23
intracube
have 'earliest adopter' group that know in advance the limitations before
20:23
intracube
and a 'main' group for people that want a basic (but usable) test camera to arrive in the post
20:24
se6astian
I will change the first image
20:24
se6astian
but how exactly?
20:24
intracube
of course 'usable' will mean many things to many people :P
20:24
se6astian
leave out FPS?
20:24
Bertl
it is not that we fund the camera, we are funding the development, so all the numbers are basically guestimates
20:25
Bertl
I'm pretty sure we will surpass all the given numbers sooner or later
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20:25
intracube
se6astian: if it can be made clear that it's the image sensor's capabilities then it would be OK to keep FPS
20:26
intracube
se6astian: the Super35 specs also list 4096x3072 which won't be an output option at launch
20:26
se6astian
hmm, quite tricky
20:26
se6astian
explaining that takes a lot of text/space
20:26
Bertl
url for the image in question?
20:26
se6astian
that space we do not have in the image
20:26
intracube
so possibly better to make clear on the image that the data is all the image sensor capability
20:26
intracube
hmm
20:27
se6astian
if I just write "Image Sensors Specs" above the table nobody will realize what that means....
20:27
Bertl
to me it is clear that the FPS is sensor max
20:27
intracube
maybe somewhere 'Image Sensor hardware capabilities' could be put on the image
20:27
Bertl
why would the max Frame Rate refer to the camera when everything else refers to the sensor
20:27
intracube
se6astian: yes, it's difficult :/
20:28
Bertl
IMHO it is perfectly fine, if you really want to emphasize on it
20:28
Bertl
make everything below Image Sensor a bullet list
20:29
Bertl
then it should be clear for everybody that the values refer to the sensor
20:35
se6astian
updated the google doc
20:35
se6astian
added a sentence above the specs
20:36
se6astian
basically what we have in the crowdfunding page already
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20:38
intracube
se6astian: that looks good
20:41
intracube
there will always be people interested in the project who are wildly optimistic and only briefly glance at the details
20:41
intracube
so it's good to spell it out :)
20:42
Bertl
perfect
20:42
se6astian
great :)
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21:02
intracube
are the monochrome sensors the same as the normal versions but with the RGB colour filters removed?
21:03
aombk
yes
21:03
intracube
can users modify the colour sensors to make them monochrome?
21:04
intracube
or would damage result :)
21:05
aombk
i dont know for sure but i believe this will not be possible
21:06
aombk
but it would be great!
21:06
intracube
aombk: ah ok :)
21:06
aombk
we could test various bayer patterns
21:06
intracube
I'd be terrified of performing surgery on a £1,000 sensor though
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Bertl
no chance, those are micro filters directly attached to the microlenses
21:07
Bertl
so trying to modify those would very likely destroy the sensor
21:07
aombk
i am never terrified about doing these kind of things
21:07
intracube
Bertl: ah, ok thanks
21:08
intracube
will there be an integrated infra-red filter on the cameras?
21:08
aombk
thats because i know for sure it will end up in a catastrophe
21:08
intracube
that would be a nice option to have
21:08
Bertl
intracube: nope
21:08
aombk
olpf?
21:09
Bertl
but you can probably attach filters to the inner side of the lensmount if you prefer to have them fixed
21:09
intracube
Bertl: cool :) I'd love to do some infra-red photography or video
21:12
Bertl
aombk: no olpf planned, at least not internal
21:14
aombk
oh,i see now olpf and ir filters are no that expensive
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KurtAugust
please reconsider OLPF. Image really looks amateuristic without, or at least think about making it swappable, like in some Red cameras.
21:16
intracube
aombk: what prices have you found for the OLPFs?
21:16
intracube
this company does addons for DSLR users: http://store.mosaicengineering.com/
21:16
intracube
not cheap, it has to be said
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21:18
anton3
KurtAugust: pls pardon my ignorance.. can the effect of olpf be imitated in post via a software algorithm?
21:19
aombk
anton3, not really
21:19
intracube
anton3: some of the effect can be reduced, but not eliminated
21:19
Bertl
there are pros and cons for the OLPF, so we won't force it on the end user
21:19
aombk
intracube, i found these http://www.optics-online.com/lpf.asp but they are small
21:22
KurtAugust
I tried some blur on the test footage, but the girl's cheek still has some awkward green and red dots in the highlight. You want people to look natural right? image here: http://www.blog.kurtaugustyns.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/AXIOM-Alpha-Sample-Footage-Selection-Ungraded-0014007b.jpg
21:22
KurtAugust
and everything in post costs money too...
21:23
KurtAugust
also the color moiree in the test footage at the horse race. quite annoying to me.
21:23
intracube
KurtAugust: yes, it'd be a necessary addon for a lot of people
21:25
intracube
and it's not just a case of finding a OLPF that's the correct size
21:25
KurtAugust
i think it will greatly differentiate it from a "machine vision" look
21:25
intracube
it needs to be carefully matched to the size/density of the sensor photosites
21:25
aombk
Bertl, you dont have to force it on the user but you can test some after release and evaluate and maybe your backers can make a bulk order through you for reduced prices?
21:27
aombk
anyway i personally consider olpf a small detail
21:29
aombk
you know, nikon charges more for the model with olpf removed :P
21:46
Bertl
if we have enough money to test filters, we will probably do it at some point
21:46
Bertl
for the start, we will focus on the camera :)
21:46
Bertl
I'm off for a nap now ... bbl
21:47
Bertl
changed nick to: Bertl_zZ
21:55
aombk
do you people know anything similar to adobe onlocation?
21:56
aombk
or scopebox
22:09
se6astian
new crowdfunding update posted
22:09
se6astian
I see a massive visitor spike already
22:09
se6astian
will be interesting to see what the night will bring...
22:15
intracube
added thread on blenderartists: http://blenderartists.org/forum/showthread.php?350470-Open-Cinema-Camera-Campaign-Apertus-AXIOM-Beta
22:19
KurtAugust
Really love the addition of a 16mm sensor. I was just about to ask about an option for the Truesense chip found in the Ikonoskop and Digital Bolex. I love some depth of field. Is the CMV2000 the same family as the CMV12000. It would be nice to have matching colors for people using both 16mm chip and super35. Very nice update!
22:22
se6astian
KurtAugust: great you like it
22:22
se6astian
ikonoskop/DB use a CCD sensor
22:22
se6astian
rather hard to interface
22:22
se6astian
plus very limited with FPS
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se6astian
some people still claim CCD is superior to CMOS - just like some people say that about analog film (where I tend to agree more)
22:24
KurtAugust
Well, cmos has come a long way since the Ikonoskop team started playing with that Kodak chip.
22:25
KurtAugust
And some years have passed too.
22:30
wescotte
Does IndieGoGo give you traffic details? Curious where today's spike is coming from.
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22:31
se6astian
wescotte: great to see you supported us as well!
22:31
se6astian
yes there are stats
22:31
se6astian
but they lag behind a bit
22:31
se6astian
so I will be able to tell tomorrow
22:31
wescotte
Wish I could afford more but I'm out of work currently :(
22:32
se6astian
well every donation counts no matter how small it is!
22:33
wescotte
Hopefully I get a gig by weeks end so I can up my donation a little.
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KurtAugust
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wescotte
Also, when do you guys think you'll hear back from the Horizon 2020 people?
22:35
wescotte
nevermind.. webpage says 5 months. dunno how I missed that
22:36
wescotte
So that could be any day now too
22:38
se6astian
soon
22:40
intracube
the donations have picked up today! now almost 70k:)
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Gegsite
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se6astian
time for bed
22:50
se6astian
hope to wake up tomorrow to see we passed the 70k mark :)
22:51
se6astian
good night
22:54
Legendin
G'nite!
22:55
intracube
goodnight!
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se6astian
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00:14
AndroUser2
Hmm is smth wrong with irc logs server?
00:22
intracube
AndroUser2: what do you mean?
00:23
AndroUser2
Pls try http://irc.apertus.org
00:23
AndroUser2
I see a page that is almost empty
00:24
intracube
yeah, I don't know why. direct link to today: http://irc.apertus.org/index.php?day=30&month=09&year=2014
00:24
AndroUser2
Thx