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| 19:46 | d2 | hi
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| 19:52 | d2 | I found a projets related to a REST interface, I sent an email to the team, now I see that there is a kind of project management system https://lab.apertus.org/T939
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| 19:52 | d2 | can someone help me understanding this projets ?
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| 20:02 | RexOrCine | David?
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| 20:03 | RexOrCine | Ping d2
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| 20:03 | d2 | yes
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| 20:03 | RexOrCine | Have you seen the thread in the Labs?
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| 20:04 | d2 | this ? https://lab.apertus.org/T939
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| 20:05 | RexOrCine | Well that and: https://lab.apertus.org/search/query/eK9KKOsNKwPX/#R
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| 20:05 | RexOrCine | Note the higher the Task number the more recent.
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| 20:05 | RexOrCine | You'll likely want to speak with BAndiT1983 too.
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| 20:05 | d2 | what is that https://github.com/apertus-open-source-cinema/axiom-beta-rest-interface/tree/develop ?
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| 20:06 | d2 | something dead ?
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| 20:07 | RexOrCine | I'm not sure. 9 months old. Possibly. It's not really my area of research. If you stick around in the channel someone will go through the basics with you asap.
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| 20:07 | d2 | ok
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| 20:07 | RexOrCine | Where are you based?
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| 20:07 | d2 | italy
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| 20:07 | d2 | but I'm french
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| 20:08 | RexOrCine | Ah. Good stuff.
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| 20:08 | d2 | u ?
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| 20:08 | RexOrCine | I'm from Britain.
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| 20:08 | d2 | an other continent xD
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| 20:09 | RexOrCine | Another world. Yeah, like I say, you wanna speak with Bandit or se6astian. I think there are a couple of students who are familiar with REST too and they're in here quite often atm.
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| 20:10 | d2 | maybe you can answer some of the questions unrelated to the interface, what is running on the embed machine ?
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| 20:11 | RexOrCine | Again, not sure David. Sorry. I'm communications, networks and hardware assembly.
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| 20:11 | d2 | ok so far from that
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| 20:13 | vup | d2: do you mean the linux distribution running on the camera? thats archlinuxarm
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| 20:14 | d2 | yes, I saw this, but I mean what are the tasks performed by this small cpu
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| 20:14 | d2 | is there any realtime requirements ?
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| 20:15 | d2 | on the wiki, I see references to REST, to websockets to shell scripts, to cpp, to php ...
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| 20:16 | vup | as far as i know it only does basic controlling of the camera, all the processing is done in hardware, things like changing image settings should be fast, but I wouldn't say it qualifies as realtime
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| 20:17 | vup | currently most things are set with shell scripts, but they are going to be replaced by the control daemon mentioned it the webremote task
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| 20:17 | vup | *and python scripts
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| 20:18 | d2 | if you run an unmodified archlinux you're not realtime anyway
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| 20:19 | Bertl_oO | no, no realtime .. all time critical stuff is done in the FPGA
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| 20:19 | vup | well we have a custom kernel anyway so adding realtime patches wouldn't be hard, but it probably won't be needed
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| 20:20 | Bertl_oO | the arm cores are basically used to configure, control and monitor stuff
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| 20:20 | d2 | T939 @vup ?
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| 20:20 | Bertl_oO | (and to take a snapshot if you like)
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| 20:20 | vup | d2: yes
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| 20:20 | d2 | ok, cool
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| 20:20 | d2 | cool for both answers
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| 20:21 | d2 | anything started ?
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| 20:21 | d2 | someone wrote code already ?
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| 20:21 | vup | you can look at https://github.com/apertus-open-source-cinema/beta-software/tree/master/software that are the tools running on the arm cores
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| 20:23 | d2 | so, the daemon is done, there is a way to communicate with it on a unix socket and the goal is only to specify and implement a rest interface ?
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| 20:25 | d2 | doesn't look like that, there is pieces of unfinished stuff everywhere in this repos or I'm wrong ?
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| 20:26 | vup | you're quite right
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| 20:26 | vup | the daemon is not done yet
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| 20:28 | d2 | and why is there a "daemon" ?
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| 20:30 | d2 | because from what I got it's a pretty simple piece of software doing basic tasks, having a "daemon" and an interface over a unix socket looks like over engineering but probably I just didn't got it
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| 20:32 | d2 | and rest ? you plan to pull ?
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| 20:35 | vup | a bit of reasoning is given in https://lab.apertus.org/T757
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| 20:36 | vup | but for more info on design choices you probably need to ask BAndiT1983 or se6astian
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| 20:38 | d2 | yes, the problem is not to have a resident program that is necessary but to plug an external api over a socket
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| 20:39 | d2 | more or less we want to replace all this https://github.com/apertus-open-source-cinema/beta-software/tree/master/software/scripts
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| 20:39 | d2 | ?
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| 20:40 | vup | yes
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| 20:40 | vup | and also https://github.com/apertus-open-source-cinema/beta-software/tree/master/software/cmv_tools
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| 20:41 | d2 | and who is in charge of this ?
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| 20:42 | vup | BAndiT1983
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| 20:43 | vup | what whould you suggest instead of a socket?
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| 20:47 | d2 | I also found this xD https://lab.apertus.org/T931
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| 20:48 | d2 | need to go
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| 20:48 | BAndiT1983 | d2, we are targetting websockets now, so REST will be replaced
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| 20:49 | BAndiT1983 | vup, daemon will be adjusted to new requirements, we have evaluated different approaches, so it's a bit of mess for now
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| 21:18 | d2 | ok BAndiT1983
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| 21:19 | d2 | and what vup said is right about what run on this machine ?
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| 21:20 | d2 | there is nothing except this daemon that just run some scripts on demand and few hardware monitoring tasks ? BAndiT1983
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| 21:21 | BAndiT1983 | this are planned features, currently daemon does just a basic stuff, as the hardware for testing is not always available
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| 21:21 | d2 | because from what I read on the "lab" it look more like the performances are critical
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| 21:22 | BAndiT1983 | zynq fpga is not that powerful, so it shouldn'T be overburdened
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| 21:22 | d2 | what's the cpu again ?
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| 21:23 | Bertl_oO | dual core arm a9
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| 21:26 | d2 | it's not so far fro a A53 no ?
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| 21:26 | d2 | it's 32 bits but the performances are not so different or they are ?
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| 21:27 | Bertl_oO | yeah, performance wise they are about the same
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| 21:28 | Bertl_oO | https://versus.com/en/arm-cortex-a53-vs-arm-cortex-a9
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| 21:28 | d2 | so to do that there is a lot of ressources
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| 21:30 | d2 | go and websockets then BAndiT1983 ?
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| 21:31 | BAndiT1983 | go? nope, i'm c++ guy
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| 21:31 | BAndiT1983 | go was used for last gsoc, had just to learn it to help the student
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| 21:32 | d2 | so you develop that with c++ ?
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| 21:32 | BAndiT1983 | yes
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| 21:32 | d2 | ok, good luck ;-)
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| 21:33 | BAndiT1983 | ?
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| 21:33 | d2 | nothing, just I won't follow :-)
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| 21:33 | BAndiT1983 | still don't understand what you mean, but nevermind
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| 21:35 | d2 | no I wanted to see if I could help but if it's done with c++ I'm not the best guy for that and not really interested but it's fine :-)
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| 21:35 | Bertl_oO | smells like a programming language war is coming up ...
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| 21:35 | d2 | not at all
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| 21:36 | d2 | that's the last stuff you need guys and I came to help :-)
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| 21:36 | BAndiT1983 | so you are a guy who is focussing just on one language?
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| 21:37 | d2 | no, I don't want to do c++ right now but it's fine there is no good or bad language there is only good or bad developpers and someone can be good on one language and bad on an other one
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| 21:37 | d2 | so I don't want to be the bad c++ guy
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| 21:37 | d2 | that's all
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| 21:38 | BAndiT1983 | hm, software developer does not limit himself to just that
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| 21:38 | Bertl_oO | d2: how about 'whitespace'?
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| 21:38 | d2 | ?
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| 21:38 | BAndiT1983 | d2, also a software developer remembers the technology, not the language related stuff
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| 21:39 | Bertl_oO | d2: the programming language 'whitespace'
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| 21:39 | BAndiT1983 | you cannot suck at one language and be good at another, that's not what the professional companies expect
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| 21:39 | Bertl_oO | but some languages just suck, regardless how good you are :)
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| 21:40 | d2 | you're ridiculous ++
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| 21:41 | BAndiT1983 | some languages were created, because some people seemed to have too much spare time
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| 21:41 | BAndiT1983 | whitespace is one of them, i suppose
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| 21:42 | d2 | you know nothing about someone and you start insulting a person that came to help... who knows maybe next time it will be a person with 20 years of experience on managing successful project and you will loose this opportunity...
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| 21:43 | BAndiT1983 | have i missed the insults?
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| 21:45 | BAndiT1983 | seems like real software development is not for everyone, good luck with getting a job by such attitude
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| 21:51 | Bertl_oO | you are so brutal! ;-)
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| 21:54 | TofuLynx | Woah
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| 21:54 | TofuLynx | Surprised with this attitude... Didn't really see where it come from
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| 21:55 | Bertl_oO | yeah, BAndiT1983 is just a beast ... attacks out of the blue
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| 21:57 | BAndiT1983 | the attitude comes from lacking of experience and thinking to be the master o f the universe
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| 21:58 | BAndiT1983 | pity that he left so soon, otherwise i would show him a guy with over 25 years of experience and still attending the project ;)
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| 21:59 | BAndiT1983 | TofuLynx, will look into the downscaler tomorrow, finally moved last stuff from old apartment
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| 21:59 | Bertl_oO | so you are now officially a hamburger?
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| 22:00 | TofuLynx | Great!
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| 22:00 | TofuLynx | Ahahahah a hamburger
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| 22:00 | BAndiT1983 | no, frankfurter ;)
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| 22:00 | BAndiT1983 | TofuLynx, there are frankfurter sausages
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| 22:01 | TofuLynx | I know these...
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| 22:01 | TofuLynx | They taste good
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| 22:01 | BAndiT1983 | just visiting hamburg over easter holidays
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| 22:01 | Bertl_oO | ah, got it ...
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| 22:02 | TofuLynx | Btw, I will push the updated downscaler code
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| 22:02 | TofuLynx | on my github
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| 22:02 | TofuLynx | so you can check it
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| 22:02 | BAndiT1983 | very good, cause i have lost a bit of track over the last weeks
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| 22:03 | TofuLynx | I will have to search on irc log your code as I had my PC formatted due to a bug with drivers and didnt upload your code
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| 22:03 | BAndiT1983 | i can send it to you, should be on one of my VMs
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| 22:04 | TofuLynx | Can you send it today?
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| 22:04 | Bertl_oO | TofuLynx: you format your PC because of a driver bug?
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| 22:04 | TofuLynx | not that simple xD
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| 22:05 | BAndiT1983 | have to prepare a dessert for fathers birthday tomorrow, if i get it done soon, then yes, otherwise sometimes tomorrow, at late afternoon i will be on train, then at latest
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| 22:06 | TofuLynx | I wanted to do a full clear of my computer (remove windows and make it linux only), and I messed with linux graphics drivers, so I simply formatted it for once and all. and it's working great :)
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| 22:06 | BAndiT1983 | there is a new invention to prevent data loss, called backup
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| 22:06 | TofuLynx | yeah true
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| 22:06 | BAndiT1983 | you have to say it like dr evil in austin powers ;) with finger signs
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| 22:06 | TofuLynx | I usually backup my things on the cloud
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| 22:06 | TofuLynx | wait
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| 22:06 | Bertl_oO | but to be fair, you only backup important stuff
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| 22:07 | TofuLynx | Ok It's not on my backup
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| 22:07 | BAndiT1983 | https://media.makeameme.org/created/Prepare-the-Laser.jpg
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| 22:07 | TofuLynx | ahahahah
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| 22:07 | BAndiT1983 | and downscaler is not important??? ;)
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| 22:07 | Bertl_oO | do you have a mini-you?
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| 22:07 | TofuLynx | Ok I should of have been more cautious xD
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| 22:08 | BAndiT1983 | sometimes i wish, especially in my job, so i can split all the work
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| 22:09 | TofuLynx | hmm
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| 22:09 | TofuLynx | do you have any idea when I first entered the irc chat?
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| 22:09 | TofuLynx | around the first week of february?
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| 22:11 | BAndiT1983 | nope, second week is supragya there
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| 22:11 | BAndiT1983 | 16.02
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| 22:11 | TofuLynx | Yeah
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| 22:11 | TofuLynx | just saw that
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| 22:12 | TofuLynx | I wish I could be as active as I was in february...
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| 22:12 | BAndiT1983 | wer should rewrite daemon in that, then we get more people who want to help -> https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainfuck
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| 22:12 | Bertl_oO | http://irc.apertus.org/index.php?day=16&month=02&year=2018
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| 22:12 | BAndiT1983 | TofuLynx, first exams, then everything else
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| 22:13 | TofuLynx | True
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| 22:13 | TofuLynx | what is that xD
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| 22:15 | TofuLynx | btw andrej
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| 22:15 | TofuLynx | I wanted to ask you a thing
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| 22:15 | BAndiT1983 | i'm just still laughing about good and bad language stuff, as you have to do the work even if you don't like a language
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| 22:15 | TofuLynx | Is the "k" in your name silent?
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| 22:16 | TofuLynx | j***
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| 22:16 | BAndiT1983 | nope, it's fully spoken, but not in english way, it was adjusted for german, usually you would write it andrey
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| 22:17 | TofuLynx | it's that in portuguese we have a name "André"
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| 22:17 | BAndiT1983 | french also, mine is the russian variation of it
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| 22:17 | TofuLynx | I see
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| 22:17 | TofuLynx | ok!
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| 22:17 | TofuLynx | ntw
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| 22:17 | TofuLynx | btw, regarding this
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| 22:17 | TofuLynx | 07:51
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| 22:17 | TofuLynx | BAndiT1983_
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| 22:17 | TofuLynx | most subscriptions in lab are for C++, to be honest, haven't expected that
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| 22:18 | BAndiT1983 | ?
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| 22:18 | TofuLynx | After the deadline, what do you think about the proposals?
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| 22:18 | TofuLynx | Surprised with anything related with it?
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| 22:18 | BAndiT1983 | had just looked at some for now, still trying to think of a way to grade the challenge code and proposals
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| 22:18 | Bertl_oO | yeah, next year we will forbid C++ and use a proper programming language *G*
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| 22:18 | TofuLynx | ahahahahah
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| 22:19 | TofuLynx | what about making apertus language
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| 22:19 | BAndiT1983 | Bertl_oO, we should not kick a person lying on the ground and not able to defend himself
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| 22:19 | BAndiT1983 | the guy was possibly too young, the behaviour was similar
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| 22:19 | Bertl_oO | TofuLynx: https://xkcd.com/927/
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| 22:20 | BAndiT1983 | there were nice series of articles about custom scripting lanugages back then, around 2001
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| 22:20 | BAndiT1983 | Bertl_oO, i think that's your standard xkcd for most answers ;)
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| 22:20 | TofuLynx | aahahahah i loved that comic xD
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| 22:21 | TofuLynx | and do you think it will be harder or easier to grade the proposals, as they are in less quantity but in higher quality?
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| 22:22 | BAndiT1983 | higher quality is our goal, e.g. challenge code, it's less about to get more and more features there, but to see structured code
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| 22:26 | TofuLynx | Ok :)
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| 22:26 | TofuLynx | btw I found the code
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| 22:26 | TofuLynx | so you dont need to check your VM
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| 22:26 | BAndiT1983 | will still have to check the VM, to find the right one, should write a comment there, as i have 3 or 4 for different apertus areas
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| 22:27 | TofuLynx | wow xD
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| 22:28 | BAndiT1983 | my tasks are not limited to OC or daemon, also website maintenance a bit etc.
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| 22:29 | TofuLynx | isnt website maintenance RexOr's?
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| 22:29 | se6astian | changed nick to: se6astian|away
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| 22:30 | BAndiT1983 | he does the design and i try to assist with technical implementation
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| 22:31 | TofuLynx | ah Roger :)
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| 22:59 | BAndiT1983 | off for today, bye
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| 23:12 | TofuLynx_ | See you tomorrow!
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| 00:55 | Bertl_oO | off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
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| 00:55 | Bertl_oO | changed nick to: Bertl_zZ
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