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| 19:53 | Bertl | back now ...
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| 20:01 | davidak | hi Bertl
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| 20:02 | davidak | have you and se6astian planned to visit 33C3 this year?
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| 20:10 | comradekingu | Im going, but i dont have a ticket for the actual conference
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| 20:10 | davidak | :(
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| 20:11 | davidak | it's quite a mess with the tickets
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| 20:11 | davidak | a friend also still has none
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| 20:12 | davidak | i was a volunteer last year so i got a voucher :)
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| 20:36 | se6astian | no plans to go to 33C3 I am afraid
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| 20:36 | se6astian | the time just after Christmas is just not that suitable I am afraid...
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| 20:37 | davidak | why?
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| 20:41 | comradekingu | davidak: are you going?
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| 20:41 | davidak | yes
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| 20:41 | comradekingu | Maybe I can get my axiom beta that way?
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| 20:42 | davidak | i don't have any here
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| 20:42 | comradekingu | What kind of state will they be in come late december?
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| 20:42 | comradekingu | ok
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| 20:42 | comradekingu | Are there any import/VAT to pay if i ship it to an address in germany?
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| 20:42 | se6astian | no
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| 20:43 | comradekingu | Might do that then if they are reasonably done by december
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| 20:43 | davidak | you can always see the current state here https://www.apertus.org/axiom-beta-status
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| 20:43 | se6astian | maybe we can organize something so a Beta can be demoed there
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| 20:43 | se6astian | by one of you :)
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| 20:44 | comradekingu | I can atleast stand outside the venue ;)
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| 20:44 | davidak | that would be great. but i'm not the person to present something to many people :(
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| 20:44 | comradekingu | Get your axioms. Betas for the taking. Aaaaxiom betas everyone.
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| 20:45 | davidak | and with many i mean more than 3
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| 20:45 | comradekingu | I can do that, and im the sort of person who would ask ccc for a ticket to be a presenter ;)
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| 20:46 | davidak | everyone has to buy a ticket
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| 20:46 | comradekingu | It is very beneficial to have someone you can talk to
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| 20:46 | davidak | i think speakers might get in for free
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| 20:46 | davidak | but they have already their selected talks
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| 20:47 | comradekingu | Problem was i couldnt buy one, as the queue filled up with bots
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| 20:47 | comradekingu | Didnt even make the queue even though i hammered in at 10
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| 20:48 | davidak | last year Matthias Tarasiewicz (parasew) was there to present the AXIOM Beta
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| 20:48 | davidak | https://media.ccc.de/v/32c3-7355-apertus_axiom
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| 20:48 | comradekingu | se6astian: the info i want is if i get one now, will i have to (or can i) get what parts to complete it later
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| 20:49 | davidak | we met also and played around with one :)
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| 20:50 | davidak | comradekingu: you get all parts at cost
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| 20:50 | davidak | the problem is when you replace parts, you have to buy them again
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| 20:50 | davidak | that is why i'm waiting...
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| 20:51 | comradekingu | Yes, but assuming i paid already, what sort of delivery plan can i get
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| 20:51 | comradekingu | ok
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| 20:51 | comradekingu | So i get the camera, that is my order right there. How much extra for the additional parts?
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| 20:51 | comradekingu | Assuming i dont wait till they are ready
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| 20:54 | davidak | here is a calculation of prices https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19oTtsNECaW0at1J9psPXs8ocnmfVk3HJJYRdcYgaYU4/edit#gid=0
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| 20:55 | davidak | the actual price depends on the volume we buy
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| 20:55 | se6astian | comradekingu: you mean the metal enclosure you will get later I assume?
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| 20:55 | se6astian | leaving for bed soon
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| 20:55 | comradekingu | yes
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| 20:56 | se6astian | if you want a developer kit without metal enclosure you also dont pay the metal enclosure now
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| 20:56 | se6astian | and can just get it later
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| 20:56 | comradekingu | I paid in full already
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| 20:56 | se6astian | you are not on the list of people seeking to get a developer kit
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| 20:57 | comradekingu | If it makes sense to get it for my skillset now i will. If it makes more sense for axiom inc to deliver me a camera later, then im happy to be less costly
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| 20:57 | se6astian | I can add you if you want
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| 20:57 | comradekingu | what kind of skillset would it require, and how much cheaper is it for axiom inc if i get it later?
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| 20:57 | se6astian | I would only recommend to get the developer kit if you really want to develop with the camera
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| 20:57 | se6astian | its not that much about price, its more about time resources currently
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| 20:58 | se6astian | building cameras to send to developers basically occupies us 100%
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| 20:58 | se6astian | so we cant develop ourselves at the moment
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| 20:58 | comradekingu | I imagine there are devs more valuable than me then
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| 20:58 | se6astian | the more developer kits we build the longer we cannot develop anything
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| 20:58 | se6astian | so the developers who receive the kits can develop :)
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| 20:58 | comradekingu | i see
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| 20:59 | comradekingu | So it is to distribute work in a larger span, not to deliver products
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| 21:00 | se6astian | right
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| 21:00 | se6astian | to grow the team basically
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| 21:00 | se6astian | or grow the things the team can do
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| 21:02 | davidak | se6astian: 13.281 people + 1.656 on youtube have watched the recording of the talk 2015
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| 21:02 | se6astian | not bad :)
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| 21:02 | davidak | also the room was half full
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| 21:02 | davidak | it was quite a big hall
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| 21:02 | se6astian | we should do something there this year as well
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| 21:02 | se6astian | I hope its not too late already
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| 21:02 | se6astian | anyway, nothing to solve today anymore...off to bed
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| 21:02 | davidak | as you heard it hard to get tickets
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| 21:03 | se6astian | yes
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| 21:03 | davidak | i'm not sure if everyone can get a ticket who wants one
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| 21:03 | davidak | CCC Erfas have vourchers for their members, maybe you know someone there
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| 21:04 | davidak | good night se6astian!
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| 21:04 | se6astian | not from the top of my head
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| 21:04 | se6astian | but I will think about it
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| 21:04 | se6astian | good night
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| 21:28 | nein | maybe i can clarify the ticket situation a bit...
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| 21:28 | nein | basically, all tickets are lod out.
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| 21:28 | nein | the erfa vouchers do not have anymore value
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| 21:29 | nein | you may only buy a ticket if you have an angel voucher, because you did volunteer work last year...
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| 21:31 | davidak | nein: sold out?
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| 21:31 | nein | yes...
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| 21:31 | davidak | oh, thats bad
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| 21:31 | nein | sorry
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| 21:31 | nein | yup
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| 21:32 | nein | and there are still maaany people, who want to buy one
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| 21:32 | davidak | yes
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| 21:32 | davidak | i know some
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| 21:32 | nein | so it will be very digficult to get some
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| 21:33 | davidak | do you know how many tickets are there?
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| 21:36 | nein | in total?
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| 21:36 | davidak | yes
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| 21:36 | nein | i think about 12.000
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