#apertus IRC Channel Logs

back now ...

good morning

Did you receive my email response?

just arrived in my office, yes

our archives date back to November 2013

I know, but I'm thinking about what this will look like when people come to read it a month or so from now

Well, when exactly in November do the logs begin? Early, mid, late?

Really?

I only assumed that IRC was only being logged after Herbert activated aPinky?

look at http://irc.apertus.org/

yes, the article is about the be released: https://www.apertus.org/irc-archives-available-article

*to be

Yeah, that was my mistake, editing text at 1am :(

Sasha_C, did you take a look at my changes now?

great, thanks

is it strange to say "IRC Chat"?

as that actually means Chat Chat :)

but we cant say IR Chat

let's say Internet Relay Chat (IRC)

great. I was going to suggest 'IRC room/channel', but Bertl's suggestion steals the prize

posted

is there anything new we can report?

the black lens mount looks very stylish for example IMO

I did take a few pictures of the new unit, but it looks almost like the old one, so nothing really new there

what else can we report?

hdmi out from memory for example

the first IT8 chart?

http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Stuff/AXIOM/almost2.png (this is from the hdmi out tests)

http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Stuff/AXIOM/buggyglass.png (two bugs earlier :)

yeah, maybe make it on the hardware side/ on the software side

would have been material for two news entries, but I guess it is kind of moot to have two news entries at the same day (all happened over the last week or so)

but that was the last iteration before the final issue was fixed

debayering is not an issue atm, we do that either in post processing or not at all (for the HDMI out)

Well, let's report this then! People will find it great to read / hear

Will do, and have a good one :)

(i.e. when I get up again :)

welcome yahel!

Take care man

sasha do you have time to draft an article together?

I'll get started on it tonight and present a draft early next week

morning everyone!

morning :)

quick and dirty rendering of what we discussed yesterday

that was also discussed on the mailing list, right ?

FergusL, not yet

Bertl ^

and just go with external cables ? like power straight from battery/power block to frontend ?

(or extend it to some degree)

that would mean every time you add/remove a module you would have to completely disassemble the entire camera, even the PCB with the sensor

the backplane could use 90° sockets and a similar approach to extend between modules

except maybe for hypothetical sound and remote control modules which is the most subject to changes depending on the type of project the camera is used on

for addon/low bandwidth modules we might simply switch to header connectors

lets continue this discussion soon

Good evening!

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I want to evaluate what the team thinks about the requirements of "how easy" the modules should be to assemble/disassemble

I am just struggling to formulate the questions in a way that contains enough information but does not give any bias towards a particular answer

how often do you expect to add a new module?

and have some choices there like

every hour, every day, twice a week, every fortnight, asoasf

i.e. what would you change on a daily basis?

on the next day I will record audio on the camera but dont need the meta module

but the question is, why would you want to remove it in this case?

IMHO it will be similar to the normal way folks go about camera setups, i.e. have a number of components, assemble them, balance the entire thing and that's it, if requirements change, like for example the output or storage type, then the camera will be modified/adapted, but otherwise it will remain untouched

(and if we find a smart way to avoid that, like remote inductive charging, even that will be avoided I guess ...

some motivation might be weight and size: when you shoot on a crane, sidemounted to a car, helicopter, underwater you will want to have a camera as small and lightweight as possible

yes, but this will require special handling anyway

currently yes, because there is no camera that could do it all without being modified

agreed, but a major factor is if it can be done without a workbench, esd protection, certain screwdrivers and other equipment without risking damage to the camera due to moisture, dust

so for example, the 'main' body could already provide space for 3-4 'modules'

or remove it, if it needs to be changed or adapted, or whatever

interesting ide

still provides an upgrade path, an open interface and all the flexibility you get if you really need to

precisely

i.e. easily switch between 4x SDI out or SATA out or whatever

we might/should get away with single side for the high speed serial tranceivers

that's the idea, might require higher quality slots though

more importantly with proper impedance and shielding

(or the laptop equivalents if size is an issue)

probably because they are designed for higher frequencies

they also have lower pin counts

---------, ,-----, ,------

then I would suggest to not do the backplane on the sides as that would block the space to add connectors but rather at top/bottom (as in my concept image)

OTOH, I don't see a problem with connectors if one of the backplanes is shorter, i.e. they will be on the same side as the short backplane

true, but inside the head where we still have two backplanes there could not be any connectors to the sides

no need for the second backplane there I guess

unless there is a dedicated 3rd pcb for the head that has the connectors and just uses a single backplane side

that's the idea

sounds like a plan

then that would have to be a wireless module :)

professionals do not want that, because the CA is on the other side, and I'm not convinced that the indie folks will love buttons on their right ear or so :)

but it is just an idea, and if we do the backplane at the bottom, you can have ear buttons and even BNC connectors which will hurt a lot :)

(to finally get the shoebox done :)

CA on other side agreed but if there is no CA the DOP requires controls on the left side

second prototype ready <- hurray!

Hi Benjamin!

Hi Se6astian

we need to have some communication anyway, and I guess all will be available via ethernet or similar

ok gotta go afk for a bit now

will adapt the backplane design to visualize the single/double backplane concept

hello, love the project

thought I'd pop in and see if there was any chatter. :D

I'm a tech at a small film dept in a fine arts university

so I'm always scanning the horizon

especially hardware

yeah, sounds like quite a match

well, if you don't mind, I'd suggest you hang around here as often as possible, because we always need input and information

for example, a few months ago, I had no idea whatsoever about cameras

so what kind of ideas do you have now? :D

awesome! I did read on the first prototype and the image processing you were doing

lovely

yeah, I guess we could send out 50 prototypes :)

of course, it's everyone's problem

try running a film school on a severely limited budget :D

only $1k for a prototype?

ah

you would have to build it yourself as well :)

that made it quite cheap

I have no problem building it

well then, the PCB is already shared IIRC

you can then directly order it and assemble the frontend

hmm. Is this the sensor you are sticking with to the production version?

you seem to have lifted a page from the Red design manual, as well, eh? :D

you won't believe it, but we mostly arrived at the various design concepts by not looking at other designs

I suggested the modular concept when 'Red' was just a color for me

I find their solutions to really lack ergonomics though

and we think we are making the right decisions when I see that there is some overlap with existing designs

the modular concept will allow for quite some price range, depending on what you need/want in your camera

the most expensive parts are the sensor and the FPGA

sure, but while I'm certain that we cannot match price dumping as done by some companies, we can definitely match quality and offer the additional bonus of being open

I think what really caused Red to rise so fast was the community they built around their product

but sharing ideas early on, as you guys are doing

people gave up a lot of freedom already for vague concepts like intelectual property and security :)

Yeah, no kidding

patent trolling

so much for free world :)

anyway, we are doing our best to change a little bit here and there ...

Well I was thinking for testing

as you do image tests

maybe we also get some kind of hardware donations later