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| 05:01 | Spirit532 | I may or may not have just found the BEST sensor.
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| 05:02 | Spirit532 | A company replied with the pricing, this could actually make a really, really popular camera.
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| 05:02 | Spirit532 | $600 for a 4MP(2300x1700) sensor that can do 500fps at full resolution.
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| 05:03 | Spirit532 | And $300 for a 1280x1024 sensor that can do 1000fps at full resolution and up to 1Mfps at lower res.
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| 05:04 | Spirit532 | Going to ask them about NDAs.
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| 05:06 | Spirit532 | And that's in one-off.
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| 05:06 | Spirit532 | It's $225 in 1k order
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| 05:08 | Spirit532 | Holy hell, that's 16 gigabits of data
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| 05:14 | Spirit532 | If this doesn't have an NDA, we can forget the CMV2000 altogether, lol
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| 05:25 | Spirit532 | Oh, noooooo....
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| 05:26 | Spirit532 | The Grade-1 microzed is only capable of 950Mbps of DDR data per lane
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| 05:26 | Spirit532 | not enough for the full 1080
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| 05:26 | Spirit532 | (MHz)
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| 06:24 | Bertl_zZ | changed nick to: Bertl
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| 06:24 | Bertl | morning folks!
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| 06:24 | Bertl | Spirit532: what (sensel) size does the sensor have?
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| 06:24 | Spirit532 | the 4MP one is 4/3"
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| 06:24 | Spirit532 | the 1.3MP one is 2/3"
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| 06:25 | Spirit532 | but the microzed is the bottleneck here, sadly
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| 06:25 | Spirit532 | since they both have 16 LVDS channels running at 1080MHz each
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| 06:25 | Spirit532 | the 1.3MP one has a 12b ADC, the 4MP one is 10b
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| 06:26 | Spirit532 | I'm waiting for a reply on the NDA
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| 06:27 | Spirit532 | but either way 1000fps @ 1280x1024 is the same as my real high speed camera(NAC Memrecam fx K5)
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| 06:27 | Spirit532 | Which is quite awesome
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| 06:28 | Spirit532 | I can PM you the links
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| 06:28 | Spirit532 | I'm just not sure if I should get people's hopes up by sharing it publicly
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| 06:34 | Bertl | well, doesn't help for cinema applications if it is a small size sensor
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| 06:35 | Spirit532 | 2/3" is okay
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| 06:35 | Spirit532 | but the 4MP one is 4/3", and plenty of things have been shot on MFT
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| 06:36 | Spirit532 | there's at least the GH4
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| 06:40 | Bertl | hte APS-C (1.8") sensor (CMV12k) is already considered 'small' by cinema people, i.e. they are often asking for full frame sensors
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| 06:41 | Spirit532 | hey, I'm not a magician
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| 06:41 | Spirit532 | I can only google
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| 06:41 | Bertl | *1.18"
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| 06:41 | Spirit532 | if I had the money I'd design a 35mm 8K 1kfps sensor
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| 06:42 | Spirit532 | but that's like $50k in R&D and 30 people
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| 06:42 | Bertl | just saying, because you advertized it as the perfect solution :)
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| 06:43 | Bertl | but if sensor specs are available without NDA, then it might be good alternative nevertheless
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| 06:43 | Bertl | (alternative as in option for the Beta)
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| 06:43 | Spirit532 | the beta isn't fast enough :s
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| 06:43 | Spirit532 | just a few MHz not fast enough
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| 06:44 | Bertl | you are aware that we output 1080p60 on all Betas, on two to three HDMI ports, yes?
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| 06:44 | Spirit532 | I'm aware of what the specs tell me.
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| 06:44 | Spirit532 | The LVDS lanes on the microzed are not capable of doing 1080MHz
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| 06:44 | Spirit532 | Only 950.
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| 06:44 | Bertl | well, the specs and the reality differ here
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| 06:45 | Spirit532 | Have you pushed it that far?
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| 06:45 | Bertl | we are using 148.5MHz pixel clock, so they are running at 1.485GHz
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| 06:45 | Spirit532 | okay
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| 06:45 | Spirit532 | well, then there's the problem of RAM
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| 06:45 | Bertl | 1GB
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| 06:45 | Spirit532 | not enough.
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| 06:46 | Bertl | depends on the application
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| 06:46 | Spirit532 | well, if you want to use the sensor to it's fullest
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| 06:46 | Spirit532 | it either has to output to something REALLY expensive
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| 06:46 | Spirit532 | or have an enormous amount of RAM
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| 06:46 | Bertl | but I'm looking forward to your solution :)
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| 06:47 | Spirit532 | I'm not sure what to do yet myself
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| 06:48 | Spirit532 | this is way too fast for me to imagine a cheap solution
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| 06:48 | Spirit532 | it either needs an absurd amount of RAM on a separate board, or a module routed
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| 06:50 | Spirit532 | I'm not aware of any recorders capable of even HD @ 1kfps
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| 06:52 | Spirit532 | This is weird, the sensor is TOO good.
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| 07:49 | Bertl | changed nick to: Bertl_oO
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| 08:05 | pusle | BAE/Fairchild: MST4625 APS-C, 4608x2592 @ 240fps, global or rolling shutter, 22bit 84dB dynamic range, 5.5um
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| 08:05 | pusle | not sure if it's out yet
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| 08:05 | Spirit532 | I just read the datasheet for the 4MP sensor
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| 08:05 | Spirit532 | it states IN THE DATASHEET that you can overclock the sensor
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| 08:05 | Spirit532 | 2k x 1080 @ 1kfps
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| 08:10 | Spirit532 | pusle, it'll probably be heavily NDA and very expensive
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| 08:10 | Spirit532 | not much use for apertus
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| 08:13 | pusle | perhaps, but it's probably the most low noise 4k sensor in APS-C you can get
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| 08:14 | Spirit532 | yes
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| 08:14 | pusle | I know they have done deals with blackmagic previously. Their bare chip cost shouldn't be much different from cmosis
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| 08:38 | Spirit532 | I just looked at the datasheet again
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| 08:38 | Spirit532 | the 4MP sensor isnt' LVDS. It's 16x10 parallel.
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| 08:38 | Spirit532 | Well that makes it impossible to use with the microzed or the beta/gamma
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| 08:43 | pusle | http://image-sensors-world.blogspot.no/2016/03/blackmagic-cancels-global-shutter-mode.html
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| 08:43 | pusle | http://www.fairchildimaging.com/catalog/focal-plane-arrays/scmos/ltn4625a
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| 08:43 | pusle | uhm..
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| 08:43 | Spirit532 | yeah
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| 08:44 | Spirit532 | the same sensor
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| 08:47 | pusle | and looks like Blackmagic has some exclusivity for video applications :x
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| 08:48 | Spirit532 | lol
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| 22:32 | Bertl_oO | off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
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