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| 08:16 | Bertl | off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
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| 09:33 | se6astian | good day
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| 09:33 | se6astian | if anybody has comments to the new website structure: apertus.org let me know
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| 10:53 | comradekingu | se6astian: I think all of the cameras could be under one tab "hardware" and then a nested menu from there. Uses less visual space, and the dictator and other such things can fit in. Also it allows for more cameras in the future (instead of sending the current ones to legacy)
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| 10:54 | comradekingu | I think the home link could be removed, since its already at "apertus" About could be put on mouseover apertus
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| 10:57 | comradekingu | I think "free (in terms of liberty), sustainable and open digital cinema tools" sounds nice, but doesnt so much explain matters to someone not in the know
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| 11:24 | se6astian | comradekingu: we only have one hierarchy menus currently and cant nest any submenus into them unfortunately
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| 11:24 | se6astian | removing home is an interesting idea
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| 11:25 | se6astian | I wonder though if enough people realize they can click the logo to get to the home page....
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| 11:31 | comradekingu | its what you do on wikipedia
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| 11:32 | comradekingu | Acutally there is a "Main page" too now that i looked
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| 13:29 | intracube | clicking on site logo to go to home is really common
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| 13:30 | intracube | bbc.co.uk doesn't have any specific home link on most pages
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| 13:32 | intracube | photos.google.com has just got an extreme makeover and has done away with a lot of labelled buttons/link
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| 13:32 | intracube | *links
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| 14:01 | comradekingu | If you got to the home page once, you can get there again
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| 15:30 | Bertl | morning folks!
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| 19:32 | troy_s | Bertl: Ping.
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| 19:32 | troy_s | Bertl: Any sensors that allow for a full piecewise curve to make a custom sensor response?
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| 20:23 | Bertl | troy_s: none that I would know of (but there are many sensors which require NDAs to get datasheets)
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| 20:25 | se6astian | good evening
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| 20:25 | se6astian | troy_s: the question is what underlying method is used to make the sensels less sensitive in that area of the curve
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| 20:26 | se6astian | the CMV12000 does it with exposure time interruptions
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| 20:26 | se6astian | which isnt perfect ....
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| 20:28 | troy_s | se6astian: Yes... Voltage trickery
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| 20:28 | troy_s | se6astian: I ask because the Arri sensors do a very clever bit of trickery in that each stop ends up allocated with identical bits.
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| 20:29 | troy_s | Their loglike curve is excellent on that front, summing to around 14.5 stops (not marketing stops either)
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| 20:34 | se6astian | are you sure the sensors response curve itself in the alexa isnt linear?
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| 20:39 | troy_s | Have a look.
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| 20:39 | troy_s | No way to get the latitude.
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| 20:39 | troy_s | Most cameras offer a recording mode
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| 20:39 | troy_s | Linear or log
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| 20:40 | troy_s | Which behave precisely as we would expect
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| 20:40 | Bertl | if they offer linear, then it is very unlikely that the sensor is log
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| 20:40 | troy_s | Less latitude in linear with more granularity
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| 20:41 | troy_s | And more latitude in log
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| 20:41 | Bertl | so I presume the "log" formats are just a mapping of the linear values
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| 20:41 | troy_s | Nope
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| 20:41 | troy_s | See above
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| 20:42 | troy_s | The Sony docs even restate the abpve
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| 20:42 | troy_s | Less latitude versus more
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| 20:42 | Bertl | doesn't mean that the sensor does log
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| 20:42 | troy_s | Try to explain that without an on sensor voltage tweak
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| 20:43 | troy_s | Right so they are willingly tossing latitude
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| 20:43 | Bertl | not saying that it doesn't do this, but as a matter of fact, a truly logarithmic sensor would be complicated to build
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| 20:44 | Bertl | i.e. it is much simpler to use piecewise linear modes or make two or more exposures and "calculate" something you recognize as log
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| 20:44 | troy_s | Pretty sure it would be nothing more than something akin to pwl
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| 20:44 | troy_s | I am not saying the sensor is log
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| 20:44 | Bertl | but again, I don't know for those proprietary sensors
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| 20:44 | troy_s | I am saying it has a loglike mode
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| 20:44 | troy_s | Using whatever alchemy akin to pwl
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| 20:45 | troy_s | But almost certainly a PWL with more than one knee
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| 20:45 | troy_s | Or two
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| 20:52 | Bertl | not sure what you base that conclusion on
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| 20:53 | troy_s | Bits per stop
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| 20:56 | troy_s | Or Bertl do you think we could do a PWL interpolating
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| 20:56 | troy_s | To smooth the bit distribution
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| 21:04 | troy_s | (By "most certainly" I meant that whatever they are doing it isn't a simple set of linear points between their exposure measurements, not that they are necessarily using a PWL or such. Could be anything.)
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| 21:04 | troy_s | (Somewhere there is interpolation is the guess, and it isn't a lerp.)
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| 21:07 | Bertl | well, do you have raw (real raw) sensor data?
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| 21:08 | Bertl | otherwise, good random data will give you perfect bit distribution
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| 23:51 | troy_s | Bertl: To smooth the sensor data to a proper log curve.
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| 23:52 | troy_s | (To optimize the bits per stop)
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| 23:59 | Bertl | unfortunately without actual sensor data, it is all speculation
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