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*everyone

morning folks!

TofuLynx, did you try the new commits by MedicineYeh on beta-software-QEMU?

how is OpenCine going?

sorry, was doing college project

The task, :p

why do you ask? You think otherwise?

It's just curiosity :p

(pardon the spelling)

sure

like university exams: openbook this time :)

Well I think it's also doable. Although it's a bit like digging, trying to find code related to what I want

So keep looking... that's a treasure hunt.

some debayering?

Nope, I'm extracting the information from the data of a raw image to make a grayscale image. While skipping pixels

So, the task no. ___ ? or it's your proposed thing?

TofuLynx, how is it going?

supragya, and how is your progress? or is university blocking?

no problem, just asking

will go full on VS after that.... it's hadoop, spark, Hive all at once... just don't know how to handle

sounds like a big task, what is it about?

Andrej is me

Alex is a guy from MagicLantern, you could say he is Mr. MagicLantern

forgot it's use outside terminal and editors really

thanks for reminding me

sounds like a big task, what is it about? - it's machine learning on large dataset of finance.. project

what does it learn?

and that is the task now

I guess that is what happens when project titles are expected at semester beginning

so you get me...

yeah, usual thing

what are you studying, i mean both of you?

I am a 3rd year B.Tech undergraduate in Computer Science and Engineering from VIT Chennai.

[Oh... I will call you Andrej from now... that CamelCase in BAndiT1983 is hard to type] - there is a tradeoff really as then you would not see mention highlighted

there are many free sync out there or does it need special sync?

well it is an assignment really

That line has BAndiT1983 in it

ah, wondered already, but i've seen so much source code today at work, that my focus span is lower now

[my focus span is lower now] - have rest.. I don't think me and TofuLynx will ask much today

how many years are generally required to finish?

for engineering here in India

yes, for masters it is 2

I guess so, I am confused really...

But then finances have to be taken care of

Mine is 3 years for bachelor plus 2 years for master's, although it's not integrated master's

germany also introduced the 3+2 system

but when i wanted to start my study, i've searched for an university of applied science which still had diploma

i wanted to know the background of it and why there are so much problems with outsorucing, learned a lot

i've searched for an university of applied science which still had diploma - which university

it's renamed already, but current name is Technische Hochschule Mittelhessen

You pinned it in a sentence

but for software development you need the passion, which is probably not there, because of "forced" job

Is there a lot of difference in salaries between computer scientist and computer engineer?

TofuLynx, it's more complex then that

Just my perspective

funny thing is, that managers think that outsourcing is the solution, but often it's more trouble, it's just not possible to tell it to the manager, as he just looks at the numbers, not the time whic has to be invested to correct a lot of stuff from outsourcing companies or even rewrite

Is there a lot of difference in salaries between computer scientist and computer engineer - cannot tell cuz there are not many scientists here

software development is a difficult topic, but if you remember that you should remember the technics not the langiages, then you are fine

supragya, do you know landmark group by the way?

is our customer, for long time didn't realize that the company is from india

yes

What actually do you provide to these guys?

we build automatic warehouse for them, in dubai

no, real one

no, real one - well how... they are gigantic aren't they? And how is computer science related?

it's a warehouse for goods, trucks bring different goods to it, then this are stored inside it and retrieved when required

BAndiT1983, the real question is how do you come in all this. You are related to software aren't you?

Oh i get it now

such things do exist for long time

partially there will be an area which is partially placed underground, otherwise it would get too high

it's near an airport, so that's another problem ;)

You work remotely on these establishments?

as the servers are not up yet, i work on my local machine

Wow, those warehouses look awesome

supragya, regarding your question about my position, i'm a part of WebUI team, we have several types, like workstations, touchscreens and android barcode scanners

TofuLynx: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/80/Coimbra_December_2011-6b.jpg/800px-Coimbra_December_2011-6b.jpg this

the what?

It's the oldest place of the university, I don't study there, Law students study there

It's more than 700 years old

looks very interesting

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An accident happened I guess

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what?

BAndiT1983, real sorry... i don't know what I did now

Time to stay low ;)

Ahahaah

I will search

VIT University Chennai Campus.. see the vellore campus too

ah I see image/jpeg;base64

I hope not... it's better to search... and easier even

Very beautiful

Wow

One of the nicest colleges in India... after IITs obviously

And it's a small city so you can get everywhere by foot

Tell me more about it :)

while CBSE is Indian board across 26 countries, we are evaluated with 26 different countries alongside

so ranking at top is quite a feat

then there is a parallel board exams called ICSE which is even harder... but only limited till India

I chose CBSE

This you have to prepare alongside clearing CBSE or ICSE

And it's the entire country colleges?

*above

Wow, and you were accepted :p

tuffest= Hardest?

yeah hardest

Congratulations :p

Why?

With great feats

My only mistake in exam was 1300 + 2000 = 2300 XD

address calculation in dynamic addressing

there is low number of prestigious colleges yeah

something like MIT for India

But is there a need for "prestigious" colleges?

As BAndiT1983 said: the actual problem : so many parents want their children to become doctor or engineer

For the entire country's colleges and courses

and courses - JEE here is for engineering only

sad thing... unfortunately many kill themselves over this...

Too much pressure

TofuLynx: Heard of IITs?

Not really

TofuLynx: Heard of MIT, CMU?

what MIT is for world, IIT is for india

I don't think we call some universities more "prestigious" than others in regard to students. It's more related to the money actually invested on research

TofuLynx, I don't think we call some universities more "prestigious" than others in regard to students. It's more related to the money actually invested on research - I hope more understood it here

What do you mean?

but forced by home

Oh :/

Tell me about your courses and how it is there

go ahead

Translater*

you were a part of it?

My course is Informatics Engineering, so it's mainly engineering (if you want to be a computer scientist, you are just go to a mathematics course)

No, I wish xD :)

Research is mainly done by Master's students and Phd's

Not really

I only learned three languages in university thus far. Python, Java and C

I think it's part of both

machine learning, deep learning?

Data analytics I'm learning this semester

Large scale data is Master's, I think

You will learn a lot from this: https://github.com/supragya/HLang

it's for Compiler Development

And it's related to HelenOS

That's interesting

So you can develop compilers?

it's interpreter btw

Was it a challenge?

had to make a prototype

It was for which organization?

HelenOS

Wow

They were not there when I asked question

And Bandit as been great

I really learned a lot with him

Oh well... Maybe this year you will be accepted :p

[Maybe this year you will be accepted] - maybe but I wont be surprised if I don't

we still don't have the slots assigned, so everything is open

<BAndiT1983>: telling the truth, given I tried for two year communicating on different places

I did the selection test just as it is here for two more organisations just to let you know... and they... simply dont relpy

difficult part is balance out the needs and expectations

i have to try to tune my expectations down, as i know how i have written software as student

when you study, you get just the basics, but the whole other stuff like version control, design pattern and similar was learned by myself after i've started to work at first company

this is why I hung with HelenOS even after being rejected

when students show interest and are ready to learn, then it#s much easier to do mentoring, as when student does not ask and tries to solve things himself/herself

have already some experience with remote engineers, same thing, they ask not much and so you get awkward solutions

nlp?

ah

The maintainer at scancode is a great guy... pombredanne... he is just like our BAndiT1983, TofuLynx

had it as course, the way things went in NLP, didn't attract me... it was vague for me

that's the problem with some courses, hated how some stuff was teached then, because the prof was not up to the task

we still don't have the slots assigned - you are not under an umbrella that's a good thing

last year we had 3

BAndiT1983, are we doing good? me and TofuLynx ?

you seem to be interested a lot, better sign than the guys who are not doing the team bonding

TofuLynx, ??

TofuLynx, tell me all the things... I want to hack you

I was born deaf, so I do lip reading. And as such when I have classes I don't understand really well the teacher... I have to be really concentrated. So I just study by myself during the class or in house

is it partial thing?

how one learns the mother language and also english then? asking out of curiosity, thought sometimes about it, but had noone to ask directly

I learned English mainly thanks to games and thanks to the excellent support from the State I had,

But yeah... Games... xD

I don't know how I even know how to lip-read... It's nature :)

Fortunately, my deafness was detected early, so I am able to talk

BAndiT1983: are you still living in hesse? (i am, so we could meet some day/ maybe we already met ;))

Stages?

but moving to frankfurt/main very soon

yeah, i mean the early detection, so it could be improved a bit

what happened to those guys

was it because he promised too much?

the timeline seemed ok, but ability to write code was the problem

The older you are, the harder it is to learn natural comportaments

The older you are, the harder it is to learn natural comportaments - similar to effectiveness of braces

bandit is just consisting of my last name, first name and birth year, used it for counterstrike sessions with friends many, many years ago

never said i wasn't one, just doing it much less nowadays and purely offline

seems like it's everyone's story

yes, but not many were playing DOS games for that ;) like prince of persia 1 or doom 2

Sorry, my phone crasher :D

IRC on phone = real dedication

I use a experimental irc client on my phone, Revolution IRC. FOSS too. But still to unstable

android?

used andchat before, was working well

my reply was about both of you

but we also should discuss your codes soon, as time is flying and i have to get Bertl_oO to be a wingmen for that

but this discussions will be done in private channels

supragya: will you participate in tomorrow's Google Hashcode?

Not sure if it's available for India. It's a open hackathon contest

Last I checked, I was in Asia

Oh :/

sorry, a bit of bad joke

too many good developers - kill me now

i find it rather interesting from cultural point, but my manager would hate it, it's about very quick exchange of people

supragya, is it so?

i know, read about it, as people also want to earn enough money and not sitting just in call centers or big offices

BAndiT1983, it is quite different here... I have seen... big industries are bad here

I share the same opinion as supragya

Most good developers are in small businesses or startups

Had a chance in Microsoft last semester as an intern, had to let go for they worked on Azure maintainance

Most of the developers I know prefer to keep their business small and create a Cluster of Businesses

in germany also, but the rate of closed ones is also rather high

not bad or tedious... but Microsoft is product based company..

Yeah that's why they make or join clusters

Clusters are a new and interesting business idea, and works really well. That's how Europe's space businesses work

clusters are also rather old stuff, but new hardware is really crazy

Are they really rather old stuff?

i think they are AIX ones

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_cluster

seems like 1967 proposals were made

Business clusters

BAndiT1983, we built Beowulf cluster as assignment

Something like VEVO corp?

Ah xD

its vevo then

So it can back the failures of some businesses with the success of others

pinned -> one has to know how to hide money from taxes ;)

TofuLynx, big corporations have many companies in their portfolio, but it happens also often they they sell ones which are not earning enough money

Yeah that's true but the point of clusters is to give more market power to small businesses

Aahahahah that's right

people have to live with that, the chat is almost dead usually

no, this time... like one was mohit I guess

There are some people that appear here and then just vanish

Going to dinner :) See you!

It's 01:30 AM here

1947 here xD

BAndiT1983, a few very kidlike questions

First, what is up with vapoursynth using python scripts and c++ plugin?

or is it without AVFS that frames will be served?

but i don't have deeper insight, used it only as processor for older bluescreen videos

or there is something like pipefs system for VS that streams the frames to the application in need

how did you work with it

just wrote a script to scale the video correctly and clean up some noise, as i had problems to extract the blue color

example -> http://www.vapoursynth.com/doc/gettingstarted.html#output-with-vspipe

and that vpy files?

yes it does

http://www.vapoursynth.com/doc/avfs.html

this whole documentation look too succinctly

but it has only general infos, without trying it hard to tell - that is the problem

and vpy files are simply those python scripts?

yes

will delve into these and consult when i try

but first, explain me how do you think this is done

here is what my thoughts were

using these so files, the plugins will work?

but then how will actual OCcore (built one) will aid the plugin?

the taks would allow to define API of OCcore, so it's more clear how to build and use

what do you mean by no relation?

for that a server is established by running aftereffects which will provide the data to plugin using shared mem or MPI

there is also VSFS in VS, but this just as sidenote

something like that

AVFS -> avisynth like VSFS -> vapoursynth

something like that, not that much info at first glance

occore -> vs plugin -> vs -> vsfs/avfs? -> video editor (can you give an example of video editor you have in mind)

something which is usually not loading DNG sequences

occore -> vs plugin -> vs -> vsfs/avfs? -> VLC doesn't seem hard to me

however given that DNG sequences are not read as of now

that could be the frist task, to get at least an image showing, before we would approach sequences

see, you got the idea, before i have completed typing

atleast

I guess if I am successful at this. I can extend to sequences

My main objective till 27 march is to get a proof of which is better suited for the raw debayering, openCL or openGL

converted videos with it

BAndiT1983, exactly

first evaluate and implement debayer methods and optimize afterwards by using different APIs

that was a task for gsoc2017, but we decided to do another one

it's in the lab, have to take a look

It's t722

and there is opencl etc.

t722 does not talk about OpenCL and OpenGL I remember

"Next step would be to accelerate the implementation by using multi-threading if not already done or OpenCL on CPU/GPU."

You should put an etc in the description, no? xD

the task can be adjusted, as you can try opengl with fragment shaders or compute shaders, opencl, openmp SIMD/SSE, arrayfire, cuda etc. etc. etc.

Yeah I understand

don't get too ahead of yourself

(Just a though, I think BAndiT1983 would agree)

I think it was just a interpretation problem. I interpreted it as being optimization only with openCL

So I was proposing the use of other technologies like openGL and such

Simply put... your concentration should be to add debayering algorithm implementations to the OCcore

then whether you use Tesla GPUs or Falcon 9 rockets, upto you

Just saw the launch yesterday

Some SPACEX launch

xD

Why not launching an axiom beta kit to the space?

It's amazing really

call MedicineYeh

Ahahahah

https://twitter.com/AXIOM_Community/status/966246927078711296

What's that? :O

what?

https://wiki.apertus.org/index.php/AXIOM_Beta/Case_Studies

Neptec won't be sending the actual Beta into space unfortunately, but they're not the only firm interested in it. I suspect that with other teams who might launch the camera into space it's a case of doing so at the right time (which is about budgets i.e. it's not the right time for them to purchase a camera at the moment).

Rex0r, thanks for details, knew just about case studies, so they avoid most risks

aka a downscaler extractor

yeah

Well I remember BAndiT1983 telling me this to speed up VS plugin streaming...

TofuLynx is a kinda random name, i love lynxs, specially the iberian lynx.

Ok :P

had sequence support in old OC version, player rather well, but with 4k it's a struggle for normal machine, at least it was several years ago

not focusing on it now

i like the description by a big maaster, Martin Fowler: red, green, refactor

first you start with a test, it's red, there is no code or just an interface

is it normal?

for an "ideal experience" we have to get around 16ms, right?

not a problem to resolve for now though

40ms for 25fps

sorry

one has to evaluate every stage of processing to find the cuplrit

but it's good nonetheless I think

processed*

there is still room for improvement of the pipeline later

supragya, enough sleep is important, also sleeping not much because of stress

Well did not expect this

you not sleeping because of stress too?

but when i've moved, then it will be more relax, have already nice plans for new apartment

as i said, not much movement here usually, so the server got all dusty

Well you won't bother much if it is always like this here too

supragya, we gotta do 1GB of chat till summer :D

1GB - you say? let me get that jpeg:base64 image data back here

cannot just sit on the couch, watching TV, it would bore me to death

BAndiT1983, are we entertaining you?

are you trying new carreer paths? ;) want to replace Raj at big bang theory?

ahahahah

but yes, I like making videos.

:)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqAiB2JzcKo

have you panned across the video? i mean the scene with the statues, as the pan is not very natural

which statue?