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2018/02/28

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Bertl_oO
off to bed now ... have a good one everyon!
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Bertl_oO
*everyone
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Bertl
morning folks!
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supragya
TofuLynx, did you try the new commits by MedicineYeh on beta-software-QEMU?
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TofuLynx
supragya: No I didn't. Focused on ProcessingTest :)
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supragya
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TofuLynx_
how is OpenCine going?
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TofuLynx_
are you confindent about the VS plugin?
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TofuLynx_
supragyaraj, I sent you messages, check the log if you didnt see :)
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supragya
oh hi
13:09
supragya
sorry, was doing college project
13:09
supragya
TofuLynx: are you confindent about the VS plugin? in what way?
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TofuLynx
The task, :p
13:10
supragya
well I guess it is doable
13:10
supragya
why do you ask? You think otherwise?
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TofuLynx
It's just curiosity :p
13:12
supragya
yet to run VS successfully
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supragya
(pardon the spelling)
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supragya
but it is doable (90%)
13:13
supragya
sure
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supragya
Just not tried... been caught up in other stuff
13:13
supragya
like university exams: openbook this time :)
13:13
supragya
TofuLynx: How about you?
13:25
TofuLynx
Well I think it's also doable. Although it's a bit like digging, trying to find code related to what I want
13:30
supragya
TofuLynx: Although it's a bit like digging, trying to find code related to what I want - that is the thing.. You learn so much from GSoC preparation. This is what lead me to try my luck here. Believe me, even if you do not get selected, you will have learnt a lot. In fact, my biggest project till date is due to GSoC preparation. (I was not selected).
13:30
supragya
So keep looking... that's a treasure hunt.
13:34
supragya
however, what is it exactly you doing?
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supragya
some debayering?
13:38
TofuLynx
Wow, yeah, I learned a lot!
13:39
TofuLynx
Nope, I'm extracting the information from the data of a raw image to make a grayscale image. While skipping pixels
13:39
TofuLynx
Reducing resolution but gaining speed
13:42
supragya
So, the task no. ___ ? or it's your proposed thing?
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TofuLynx
supragya , it's the task T722
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BAndiT1983
TofuLynx, how is it going?
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BAndiT1983
supragya, and how is your progress? or is university blocking?
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supragya
BAndiT1983: sorry... only a day or two needed
16:00
BAndiT1983
no problem, just asking
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se6astian
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supragya
will go full on VS after that.... it's hadoop, spark, Hive all at once... just don't know how to handle
16:00
BAndiT1983
it's the main problem at gsoc, that exams and such have to be done before or in between
16:01
BAndiT1983
sounds like a big task, what is it about?
16:01
supragya
BAndiT1983: who is Andrej, Alex... you one of these?
16:01
BAndiT1983
Andrej is me
16:01
supragya
Oh... I will call you Andrej from now... that CamelCase in BAndiT1983 is hard to type
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BAndiT1983
Alex is a guy from MagicLantern, you could say he is Mr. MagicLantern
16:02
BAndiT1983
haven't you discovered the tab key? if you type first letters then tab, it autocompletes ussually
16:02
supragya
forgot it's use outside terminal and editors really
16:02
BAndiT1983
hexchat does it and also the web caht interface
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supragya
thanks for reminding me
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BAndiT1983
no problem
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supragya
sounds like a big task, what is it about? - it's machine learning on large dataset of finance.. project
16:03
supragya
Incremental learning on Hive, RDD on Spark
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BAndiT1983
what does it learn?
16:04
supragya
well really... that's abstract we gave... not really thinking what we will do
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supragya
and that is the task now
16:04
BAndiT1983
sounds like in a big company, got a call lately, a colleague wanted to know what some dialogues do, couldn't answer as i don't have the overview
16:05
supragya
I guess that is what happens when project titles are expected at semester beginning
16:05
BAndiT1983
i know how they are done and also how the backend is interacting, but what they are for, is often not known to me
16:05
supragya
so you get me...
16:05
TofuLynx
Hey bandit, in the same situation as supragya , finishing some university projects. I only try it at night.
16:05
BAndiT1983
yeah, usual thing
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BAndiT1983
TofuLynx, thanks for notifying
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BAndiT1983
what are you studying, i mean both of you?
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supragya
I have a problem statement.. give your views on how you will solve... Two desktops need a folder to be synched... create an application... how will you do it? I am thinking to use inotify will C++ and socket programming... better ideas?
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supragya
I am a 3rd year B.Tech undergraduate in Computer Science and Engineering from VIT Chennai.
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supragya
*with C++ and socket programming
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supragya
[Oh... I will call you Andrej from now... that CamelCase in BAndiT1983 is hard to type] - there is a tradeoff really as then you would not see mention highlighted
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BAndiT1983
yes, without nick it won't notify and icon would not flash, so i can see it faster, but don't worry, i check hexchat or logs rather often
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BAndiT1983
there are many free sync out there or does it need special sync?
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BAndiT1983
hm, "Andrej" turned also green line
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supragya
well it is an assignment really
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BAndiT1983
so i suppose that both ways it work
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supragya
That line has BAndiT1983 in it
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supragya
Check this - does it work Andrej?
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BAndiT1983
ah, wondered already, but i've seen so much source code today at work, that my focus span is lower now
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BAndiT1983
nope, did not work
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supragya
[my focus span is lower now] - have rest.. I don't think me and TofuLynx will ask much today
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supragya
TofuLynx: which university, course and year?
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TofuLynx
supragya: BAndiT1983 I study at University of Coimbra, Informatics Engineering, Second year :)
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BAndiT1983
how many years are generally required to finish?
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supragya
4
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supragya
for engineering here in India
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BAndiT1983
is it a bachelor graduation?
16:30
supragya
yes, for masters it is 2
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BAndiT1983
you will also do your master afterwards?
16:31
supragya
I guess so, I am confused really...
16:31
supragya
You see, my area of interest is Computer as science not computer as engineering
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supragya
But then finances have to be taken care of
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supragya
I would really like to be a professor
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TofuLynx
Mine is 3 years for bachelor plus 2 years for master's, although it's not integrated master's
16:33
BAndiT1983
i know, read about indian IT recently
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BAndiT1983
germany also introduced the 3+2 system
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supragya
indian IT - in some waay not really a fan of it
16:34
BAndiT1983
but when i wanted to start my study, i've searched for an university of applied science which still had diploma
16:34
supragya
which
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BAndiT1983
i wanted to know the background of it and why there are so much problems with outsorucing, learned a lot
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BAndiT1983
which?
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supragya
i've searched for an university of applied science which still had diploma - which university
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supragya
i wanted to know the background of it and why there are so much problems with outsorucing, learned a lot - share please
16:36
BAndiT1983
it's renamed already, but current name is Technische Hochschule Mittelhessen
16:36
BAndiT1983
general thing in india is the problem to get well paid job, so many parents want their children to become doctor or engineer
16:37
supragya
You pinned it in a sentence
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supragya
But not with my parents... however.. .it is hard to resist the flow
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BAndiT1983
but for software development you need the passion, which is probably not there, because of "forced" job
16:38
TofuLynx
Uh
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TofuLynx
Is there a lot of difference in salaries between computer scientist and computer engineer?
16:38
BAndiT1983
our remote engineers are from egypt, but it has similar touch
16:38
BAndiT1983
TofuLynx, it's more complex then that
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supragya
I have passion for software development when i understand thoroughly that why there is not difference between [int myfunc(int arr[])] and [int myfunc(arr[20])]. Until then... I don't really like people coding
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supragya
Just my perspective
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supragya
*no
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BAndiT1983
funny thing is, that managers think that outsourcing is the solution, but often it's more trouble, it's just not possible to tell it to the manager, as he just looks at the numbers, not the time whic has to be invested to correct a lot of stuff from outsourcing companies or even rewrite
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TofuLynx
I mean, in india
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supragya
Is there a lot of difference in salaries between computer scientist and computer engineer - cannot tell cuz there are not many scientists here
16:42
supragya
And that is tragic
16:42
BAndiT1983
software development is a difficult topic, but if you remember that you should remember the technics not the langiages, then you are fine
16:42
supragya
only low paid engineers
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BAndiT1983
supragya, do you know landmark group by the way?
16:45
supragya
BAndiT1983, no... tell me about them
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BAndiT1983
is our customer, for long time didn't realize that the company is from india
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BAndiT1983
they have a lot of stores
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se6astian|away
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supragya
This one: landmarkgroup.com ?
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BAndiT1983
yes
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supragya
seems from UAE, Dubai.. however there stores - lifestyle and max are seen in India
16:55
supragya
What actually do you provide to these guys?
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BAndiT1983
we build automatic warehouse for them, in dubai
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supragya
automatic warehouse - data warehouse?
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BAndiT1983
no, real one
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supragya
no, real one - well how... they are gigantic aren't they? And how is computer science related?
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supragya
Databases?
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BAndiT1983
it's a warehouse for goods, trucks bring different goods to it, then this are stored inside it and retrieved when required
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BAndiT1983
something like that, but very large -> http://www.egemin-automation.com/uploads/contenttree/photos/detail/automatedwarehousesystems.jpg
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supragya
BAndiT1983, the real question is how do you come in all this. You are related to software aren't you?
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supragya
Looking at the link
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supragya
Oh i get it now
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supragya
Seems next gen
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BAndiT1983
such things do exist for long time
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supragya
Nice thinking... if land values are high, cut the cost and go vertical :)
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BAndiT1983
partially there will be an area which is partially placed underground, otherwise it would get too high
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supragya
and noone wants a space launch center to be built for a warehouse
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BAndiT1983
it's near an airport, so that's another problem ;)
17:14
supragya
I see. So what's your day looks like... work wise?
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supragya
You work remotely on these establishments?
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BAndiT1983
i work in the office mainly, will visit the site in the next months
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BAndiT1983
as the servers are not up yet, i work on my local machine
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TofuLynx
Wow, those warehouses look awesome
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supragya
TofuLynx: University of Coimbra, seems quite an open area you have got there
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BAndiT1983
supragya, regarding your question about my position, i'm a part of WebUI team, we have several types, like workstations, touchscreens and android barcode scanners
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TofuLynx
What do you mean by "open area"?
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supragya
TofuLynx: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/80/Coimbra_December_2011-6b.jpg/800px-Coimbra_December_2011-6b.jpg this
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TofuLynx
Oh that's is the "Paço das escolas"
17:50
supragya
the what?
17:51
supragya
Pardon me, IDK what this is - Paço das escolas
17:51
TofuLynx
It's the oldest place of the university, I don't study there, Law students study there
17:51
supragya
oh...
17:51
TofuLynx
It's more than 700 years old
17:52
TofuLynx
I study in other place, can you search for University of Coimbra FCTUC Departamento de Engenharia Informática?
17:53
BAndiT1983
looks very interesting
17:54
TofuLynx
Yeah, I love it! :)
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supragya
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supragya
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supragya
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supragya
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17:55
TofuLynx
What happened?
17:55
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supragya
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supragya
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17:56
TofuLynx
Uh
17:56
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supragya
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17:56
TofuLynx
An accident happened I guess
17:56
supragya
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supragya
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supragya
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17:56
supragya
what?
17:56
supragya
I am sorry
17:56
supragya
BAndiT1983, real sorry... i don't know what I did now
17:56
supragya
I guess I copied an extensively long link
17:56
supragya
Time to stay low ;)
17:57
Kjetil
GJ :)
17:57
TofuLynx
Ahahaah
17:57
TofuLynx
What's the name?
17:57
TofuLynx
I will search
17:57
supragya
Kjetil, my bad... XD
17:57
supragya
VIT University Chennai Campus.. see the vellore campus too
17:57
BAndiT1983
it copied base64 image data it seems
17:58
supragya
ah I see image/jpeg;base64
17:58
BAndiT1983
i suppose some nerds here will try to reproduce the image from the stirng :D
17:59
supragya
I hope not... it's better to search... and easier even
18:00
TofuLynx
It looks fancy new!
18:00
TofuLynx
Very beautiful
18:01
supragya
6 years old our campus
18:01
TofuLynx
Wow
18:02
supragya
35 years old Vellore...
18:02
supragya
One of the nicest colleges in India... after IITs obviously
18:03
TofuLynx
Here we don't really need a campus, Coimbra is called the student's city. The city population is like half are students
18:03
TofuLynx
And it's a small city so you can get everywhere by foot
18:03
supragya
hmm, seems like Kota in India
18:04
TofuLynx
Tell me more about it :)
18:06
supragya
Well you see, here in our country there are different exams for college entrance (called JEE for engineering) and boards for higher school (CBSE)
18:07
supragya
while CBSE is Indian board across 26 countries, we are evaluated with 26 different countries alongside
18:07
supragya
(means 26 different countries follow CBSE)
18:07
supragya
so ranking at top is quite a feat
18:07
TofuLynx
Wow
18:08
supragya
then there is a parallel board exams called ICSE which is even harder... but only limited till India
18:08
supragya
you chose between CBSE and ICSE
18:08
supragya
I chose CBSE
18:09
supragya
But along with these exams, there you have JEE (Joint Entrance Exams) for all engineering and science colleges in India
18:09
supragya
This you have to prepare alongside clearing CBSE or ICSE
18:09
supragya
to get into a college atleast
18:10
TofuLynx
And it's the entire country colleges?
18:10
supragya
Generally top colleges like mine reject ranks below 8000 in JEE (entire country) and CBSE cutoff 95%
18:10
supragya
*above
18:10
supragya
IT is harder for IITs
18:11
TofuLynx
Wow, and you were accepted :p
18:11
supragya
JEE is one of the tuffest exams in the world, google it if you do not think so
18:11
TofuLynx
tuffest= Hardest?
18:11
supragya
For preparation of JEE, students actually lock themselves in cells for entire duration of 2 years or even more
18:11
supragya
yeah hardest
18:12
supragya
it's that tuff... idk how I got past that
18:12
TofuLynx
Congratulations :p
18:12
supragya
for moments, I thought... no college would accept me...
18:13
TofuLynx
Why?
18:13
TofuLynx
You seem a great student
18:13
TofuLynx
With great feats
18:13
supragya
even when I had a letter of recommendation from Ministry of Human Resource and Development's Minister (I was top 1% in CBSE computer science results)
18:14
supragya
My only mistake in exam was 1300 + 2000 = 2300 XD
18:14
TofuLynx
But is there a low number of colleges?
18:14
supragya
address calculation in dynamic addressing
18:14
TofuLynx
Wow xD
18:14
supragya
there is low number of prestigious colleges yeah
18:14
supragya
but colleges are there
18:15
supragya
something like MIT for India
18:16
supragya
Do you know to be a CSE student at IIT Bombay (Mumbai), you have to be one of the top 26 (actual number) from 1,300,000 applicants?
18:16
TofuLynx
But is there a need for "prestigious" colleges?
18:16
TofuLynx
Holy... Wow
18:17
supragya
As BAndiT1983 said: the actual problem : so many parents want their children to become doctor or engineer
18:17
TofuLynx
Here in portugal it's around 20000 applicants xD
18:17
TofuLynx
For the entire country's colleges and courses
18:17
supragya
And that is why Kota stands... more and more go there for coaching for JEE
18:18
supragya
and courses - JEE here is for engineering only
18:18
TofuLynx
Makes sense
18:18
supragya
sad thing... unfortunately many kill themselves over this...
18:18
TofuLynx
Oh :/
18:19
TofuLynx
Too much pressure
18:20
supragya
you have to be one of the top 26 (actual number) from 1,300,000 applicants - this is everyone's dream and IDK why is that
18:20
supragya
TofuLynx: Heard of IITs?
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TofuLynx
Not really
18:21
TofuLynx
What is it?
18:21
supragya
TofuLynx: Heard of MIT, CMU?
18:21
TofuLynx
Only MIT
18:22
supragya
what MIT is for world, IIT is for india
18:22
TofuLynx
Hmm xD
18:24
TofuLynx
I don't think we call some universities more "prestigious" than others in regard to students. It's more related to the money actually invested on research
18:24
TofuLynx
But yeah I understand it
18:25
supragya
TofuLynx, I don't think we call some universities more "prestigious" than others in regard to students. It's more related to the money actually invested on research - I hope more understood it here
18:25
TofuLynx
Hmmm?
18:25
TofuLynx
What do you mean?
18:25
supragya
Many of my friend are here who never wanted to do engineering..
18:25
supragya
but forced by home
18:26
supragya
And that is why quality of education detoirated
18:27
TofuLynx
Oh :/
18:27
supragya
Let's leave this line of conversation
18:28
supragya
Tell me about your courses and how it is there
18:28
TofuLynx
I want to show you an article about some researchers of my course
18:29
supragya
go ahead
18:30
TofuLynx
Can you use the browser's translated?
18:30
TofuLynx
Translater*
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TofuLynx
http://exameinformatica.sapo.pt/noticias/software/2018-01-22-DENSER-o-algoritmo-criado-em-Coimbra-que-superou-o-Google-Brain
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TofuLynx
They created an algorithm that's is just as fast as Google brain with just 4 gpus, while Google brain uses 800 gpus
18:34
supragya
you were a part of it?
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TofuLynx
My course is Informatics Engineering, so it's mainly engineering (if you want to be a computer scientist, you are just go to a mathematics course)
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TofuLynx
No, I wish xD :)
18:35
TofuLynx
I never had the opportunity to do some research
18:35
TofuLynx
Research is mainly done by Master's students and Phd's
18:36
supragya
Oh, so you learn languages more than design and analysis? is that so
18:36
TofuLynx
Not really
18:36
TofuLynx
It's the opposite
18:36
TofuLynx
I only learned three languages in university thus far. Python, Java and C
18:37
supragya
Well design, analysis etc are part of computer science not engineering
18:37
TofuLynx
I think it's part of both
18:37
supragya
do you learn data analytics, Compiler development, Large scale data, HPC?
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supragya
machine learning, deep learning?
18:38
TofuLynx
Scientists discover, engineers understand, simplify and apply the discoveries to real life :p
18:38
TofuLynx
Data analytics I'm learning this semester
18:38
TofuLynx
Compiler development is the next year
18:38
TofuLynx
Large scale data is Master's, I think
18:38
TofuLynx
Machine learning is next year too
18:39
supragya
You will learn a lot from this: https://github.com/supragya/HLang
18:39
supragya
It's broken many places
18:40
supragya
it's for Compiler Development
18:40
TofuLynx
Hmmm...
18:40
TofuLynx
And it's related to HelenOS
18:40
supragya
Yeah
18:40
TofuLynx
That's interesting
18:40
supragya
It was to be... but I never finished the code..
18:41
TofuLynx
So you can develop compilers?
18:41
supragya
Fun fact: That whole compiler was designed, coded and documented within 8 days
18:41
supragya
it's interpreter btw
18:41
TofuLynx
Wow, 8 days? xD
18:42
TofuLynx
Was it a challenge?
18:42
supragya
i was preparing for last year GSoC
18:42
supragya
had to make a prototype
18:42
TofuLynx
And yet it wasn't accepted? :/
18:43
TofuLynx
It was for which organization?
18:43
supragya
MicroKernel Devroom
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supragya
HelenOS
18:44
supragya
Many things went wrong there... first the mentors were not like BAndiT1983
18:44
TofuLynx
Wow
18:44
supragya
They did not communicate their needs
18:44
supragya
They were not there when I asked question
18:45
TofuLynx
It's my first time here at GSoC, in fact it was a teacher of my course that sent us an email.about this.
18:45
TofuLynx
And Bandit as been great
18:45
supragya
And the whole codebase was rather difficult and unnecessarily reinventing the wheel
18:45
TofuLynx
I really learned a lot with him
18:45
TofuLynx
I'm very grateful
18:45
TofuLynx
Oh well... Maybe this year you will be accepted :p
18:46
supragya
Infact, the present state of beta-axiom-QEMU was what the main codebase waas
18:46
supragya
[Maybe this year you will be accepted] - maybe but I wont be surprised if I don't
18:47
BAndiT1983
don't exaggerate, just trying to help, same thing i do also daily at my work
18:47
BAndiT1983
we still don't have the slots assigned, so everything is open
18:47
TofuLynx
Oh I see
18:48
supragya
<BAndiT1983>: telling the truth, given I tried for two year communicating on different places
18:48
TofuLynx
But you know what, we will contribute to the overall code :p, specially OpenCine
18:48
supragya
I did the selection test just as it is here for two more organisations just to let you know... and they... simply dont relpy
18:48
supragya
reply
18:49
BAndiT1983
difficult part is balance out the needs and expectations
18:49
supragya
difficult part is balance out the needs and expectations - exactly
18:49
BAndiT1983
i have to try to tune my expectations down, as i know how i have written software as student
18:49
supragya
i have to try to tune my expectations down - and we try to come to your level of expectation
18:50
BAndiT1983
when you study, you get just the basics, but the whole other stuff like version control, design pattern and similar was learned by myself after i've started to work at first company
18:50
BAndiT1983
relax, it's not about reaching the level of expectation, as there are many factors
18:50
supragya
this is why I hung with HelenOS even after being rejected
18:51
supragya
But at the end of the day... the problem was they simple did not care. So I left
18:51
BAndiT1983
when students show interest and are ready to learn, then it#s much easier to do mentoring, as when student does not ask and tries to solve things himself/herself
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BAndiT1983
have already some experience with remote engineers, same thing, they ask not much and so you get awkward solutions
18:52
supragya
After last GSoC, I got in touch with scancode... worked a bit there.. but they were python and NLP... latter I don't really like
18:52
BAndiT1983
nlp?
18:52
supragya
Natural Language Processing
18:52
BAndiT1983
ah
18:53
BAndiT1983
what is bad about this?
18:53
supragya
The maintainer at scancode is a great guy... pombredanne... he is just like our BAndiT1983, TofuLynx
18:53
supragya
what is bad about this? - nothing, not fond of it
18:54
supragya
had it as course, the way things went in NLP, didn't attract me... it was vague for me
18:54
supragya
However I like Data analysis and machine learning, weird I hate NLP
18:55
BAndiT1983
that's the problem with some courses, hated how some stuff was teached then, because the prof was not up to the task
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BAndiT1983
but later, in self-study, got much more experience and knowledge
18:57
supragya
we still don't have the slots assigned - you are not under an umbrella that's a good thing
18:57
supragya
so atleast google will give 1 slot
18:58
BAndiT1983
last year we had 3
18:58
BAndiT1983
maybe we get same amount or they would increase a bit
18:58
supragya
BAndiT1983, are we doing good? me and TofuLynx ?
18:59
supragya
just asking... to check our ways
18:59
BAndiT1983
you seem to be interested a lot, better sign than the guys who are not doing the team bonding
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TofuLynx
I have never told you guys a thing about myself
19:01
supragya
TofuLynx, ??
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BAndiT1983
in the main chat, are you sure you want to? ;)
19:01
supragya
TofuLynx, tell me all the things... I want to hack you
19:02
supragya
XD
19:02
TofuLynx
I was born deaf, so I do lip reading. And as such when I have classes I don't understand really well the teacher... I have to be really concentrated. So I just study by myself during the class or in house
19:03
TofuLynx
So basically, my entire life was to learn things by myself and specially with the help from close friends
19:03
BAndiT1983
is it partial thing?
19:03
TofuLynx
No, it's almost full deafness
19:04
BAndiT1983
how one learns the mother language and also english then? asking out of curiosity, thought sometimes about it, but had noone to ask directly
19:04
BAndiT1983
*how does one learn
19:05
TofuLynx
I learned English mainly thanks to games and thanks to the excellent support from the State I had,
19:05
TofuLynx
But I haven't really learned about lip-reading English. It requires a lot of training
19:06
TofuLynx
But yeah... Games... xD
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TofuLynx
I don't know how I even know how to lip-read... It's nature :)
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TD--Linux
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TofuLynx
Fortunately, my deafness was detected early, so I am able to talk
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TofuLynx
And I talk almost normally, some hiccups and so. But it's normal
19:08
anuejn
BAndiT1983: are you still living in hesse? (i am, so we could meet some day/ maybe we already met ;))
19:08
BAndiT1983
very interesting, didn't knew about different stages that much
19:08
TofuLynx
Stages?
19:08
BAndiT1983
anuejn, living in bavaria for last few days, near aschaffenburg
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BAndiT1983
but moving to frankfurt/main very soon
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BAndiT1983
yeah, i mean the early detection, so it could be improved a bit
19:10
supragya
BAndiT1983, I recon you told why 2017 GSoC was not completed
19:10
supragya
what happened to those guys
19:11
BAndiT1983
i just know of my student, he had problems to accomplish his timeline, which he proposed
19:11
supragya
was it because he promised too much?
19:12
TofuLynx
Yeah, early detection is crucial. It means the hability to talk or not in the future :)
19:12
BAndiT1983
the timeline seemed ok, but ability to write code was the problem
19:13
BAndiT1983
TofuLynx, what are the measures after detection?
19:13
TofuLynx
The older you are, the harder it is to learn natural comportaments
19:13
supragya
<TofuLynx> what does TofuLynx mean? why this nick, same for BAndiT1983 ?
19:14
supragya
The older you are, the harder it is to learn natural comportaments - similar to effectiveness of braces
19:14
TofuLynx
The measures are mainly giving ear prothesis/implants and then "talking" therapy till 18 years, maybe earlier
19:14
BAndiT1983
bandit is just consisting of my last name, first name and birth year, used it for counterstrike sessions with friends many, many years ago
19:15
supragya
counterstrike sessions - o_O we have a gamer here
19:17
BAndiT1983
never said i wasn't one, just doing it much less nowadays and purely offline
19:17
BAndiT1983
my interest in software development was awoke by games
19:18
supragya
seems like it's everyone's story
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BAndiT1983
yes, but not many were playing DOS games for that ;) like prince of persia 1 or doom 2
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TofuLynx
Sorry, my phone crasher :D
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TofuLynx
Crashed*
19:20
supragya
IRC on phone = real dedication
19:20
TofuLynx
Ahahaha
19:21
TofuLynx
I use a experimental irc client on my phone, Revolution IRC. FOSS too. But still to unstable
19:21
TofuLynx
too*
19:22
BAndiT1983
android?
19:22
TofuLynx
Yeah
19:22
BAndiT1983
used andchat before, was working well
19:22
TofuLynx
BAndiT1983: supragya asked a interesting question early, about how are we doing in relation to GSoC, what about me? :)
19:23
BAndiT1983
my reply was about both of you
19:23
TofuLynx
Ah ok :p
19:23
BAndiT1983
but we also should discuss your codes soon, as time is flying and i have to get Bertl_oO to be a wingmen for that
19:24
TofuLynx
Ok! Time is really flying!
19:24
BAndiT1983
but this discussions will be done in private channels
19:24
supragya
count me in, just after these assignments
19:24
TofuLynx
supragya: will you participate in tomorrow's Google Hashcode?
19:24
supragya
what is that
19:25
TofuLynx
Not sure if it's available for India. It's a open hackathon contest
19:25
supragya
Well : Hash Code is a team programming competition organized by Google for students and industry professionals across Europe, the Middle East and Africa.
19:25
supragya
Last I checked, I was in Asia
19:25
BAndiT1983
:D
19:26
TofuLynx
Oh :/
19:26
BAndiT1983
seems like india is not included, too many good developers
19:26
BAndiT1983
sorry, a bit of bad joke
19:27
TofuLynx
No problem xD
19:27
supragya
too many good developers - kill me now
19:28
TofuLynx
xD
19:28
BAndiT1983
i find it rather interesting from cultural point, but my manager would hate it, it's about very quick exchange of people
19:28
BAndiT1983
if one quits the job or dies, he is quickly replaced by another guy/girl
19:28
BAndiT1983
supragya, is it so?
19:29
supragya
good developer - india has many of them.... however in startups... The big industries, NO
19:29
BAndiT1983
i know, read about it, as people also want to earn enough money and not sitting just in call centers or big offices
19:29
BAndiT1983
problem is with this replacement, that they don't know much about the project, but still say yes to everything
19:29
supragya
BAndiT1983, it is quite different here... I have seen... big industries are bad here
19:30
BAndiT1983
which industries do you mean?
19:30
TofuLynx
I share the same opinion as supragya
19:30
supragya
Microsoft, Amazon while definitely attractive are not the Microsofts and Amazons of US. They do not get the main projects to work on.
19:30
TofuLynx
Most good developers are in small businesses or startups
19:31
TofuLynx
Yeah, but it's related to the culture and standards of the country too
19:31
supragya
Had a chance in Microsoft last semester as an intern, had to let go for they worked on Azure maintainance
19:31
BAndiT1983
that bad or tedious?
19:32
TofuLynx
Most of the developers I know prefer to keep their business small and create a Cluster of Businesses
19:32
supragya
But startups here, are like fire... just give them a year and they will do you would have never imagined
19:32
BAndiT1983
in germany also, but the rate of closed ones is also rather high
19:32
TofuLynx
Yeah!
19:32
supragya
not bad or tedious... but Microsoft is product based company..
19:32
supragya
did not expect that
19:33
TofuLynx
Yeah that's why they make or join clusters
19:33
supragya
maintainance job
19:33
TofuLynx
Clusters are a new and interesting business idea, and works really well. That's how Europe's space businesses work
19:33
BAndiT1983
in my former company it was the same, as we did a toolsuite for hospitals, released 2 times in a year, but in fact many more, because of hotfixes and many customized versions
19:34
BAndiT1983
clusters are also rather old stuff, but new hardware is really crazy
19:34
BAndiT1983
with so many IOPS, see extreme IO drives
19:35
TofuLynx
Are they really rather old stuff?
19:35
BAndiT1983
clusters do exist for many years, we have old customers who have clusters
19:35
BAndiT1983
i think they are AIX ones
19:35
TofuLynx
Didn't know that
19:36
BAndiT1983
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_cluster
19:36
TofuLynx
I only heard the term recently
19:36
BAndiT1983
seems like 1967 proposals were made
19:36
TofuLynx
Oh I don't mean that clusters xD
19:36
TofuLynx
Business clusters
19:36
BAndiT1983
ah
19:36
supragya
BAndiT1983, we built Beowulf cluster as assignment
19:36
supragya
ok...business cluster.
19:36
supragya
Something like VEVO corp?
19:37
BAndiT1983
current server for customer is a cluster, so that's why i'm thinking of that first
19:37
TofuLynx
Ah xD
19:37
TofuLynx
It's like an association of businesses that share a final objective or even the same money
19:38
supragya
its vevo then
19:38
BAndiT1983
one has to know how to hide money from taxes ;)
19:38
TofuLynx
So it can back the failures of some businesses with the success of others
19:38
TofuLynx
I don't know Vevo corp :p
19:38
supragya
pinned -> one has to know how to hide money from taxes ;)
19:41
BAndiT1983
see latest apple news in europe
19:42
BAndiT1983
TofuLynx, big corporations have many companies in their portfolio, but it happens also often they they sell ones which are not earning enough money
19:43
BAndiT1983
so i don't know if clusters have advantages in that area
19:44
TofuLynx
Yeah that's true but the point of clusters is to give more market power to small businesses
19:44
supragya
TofuLynx, BAndiT1983, I just think if anybody aspiring for GSoC stumbled upon this discussion and asked himself: "Am I in the right IRC?"
19:44
TofuLynx
Aahahahah that's right
19:45
supragya
BTW, there were a few people here and there coming to the IRC for GSoC. Still in touch with them BAndiT1983 ?
19:45
BAndiT1983
people have to live with that, the chat is almost dead usually
19:46
BAndiT1983
not really in touch, as most people are just interested in gsoc, not many stayed afterwards
19:46
supragya
no, this time... like one was mohit I guess
19:46
supragya
name suggests he was from india
19:47
TofuLynx
There are some people that appear here and then just vanish
19:47
BAndiT1983
seen some in the logs, but not much movement besides that
19:47
TofuLynx
Going to dinner :) See you!
19:47
BAndiT1983
have a nice meal
19:47
supragya
It's 01:30 AM here
19:47
supragya
have a nice meal...
19:48
TofuLynx
1947 here xD
19:48
TofuLynx
Thanks!
19:48
supragya
BAndiT1983, a few very kidlike questions
19:49
BAndiT1983
yes?
19:49
supragya
First, what is up with vapoursynth using python scripts and c++ plugin?
19:49
supragya
And is there something similar to AVFS on vapoursynth that we are focusing on providing to?
19:50
supragya
or is it without AVFS that frames will be served?
19:50
BAndiT1983
second question is your task to find out, had just seen that AVFS would be interesting
19:50
BAndiT1983
but i don't have deeper insight, used it only as processor for older bluescreen videos
19:50
supragya
if it is not AVFS, it is mostly channeled through python scripts
19:51
supragya
or there is something like pipefs system for VS that streams the frames to the application in need
19:51
BAndiT1983
i think that python is used, because of simplicity and C++ for performance
19:51
supragya
how did you work with it
19:52
supragya
using C++ interface?
19:52
BAndiT1983
just wrote a script to scale the video correctly and clean up some noise, as i had problems to extract the blue color
19:52
BAndiT1983
no, just the VS scripts
19:52
BAndiT1983
example -> http://www.vapoursynth.com/doc/gettingstarted.html#output-with-vspipe
19:53
supragya
well we wont be using vspipe for sure
19:53
supragya
and that vpy files?
19:53
BAndiT1983
VS supports AVFS, if google is right
19:53
supragya
yes it does
19:53
BAndiT1983
maybe we will use it, so it serves the frames, but as i said, it requires research from your side first
19:54
supragya
http://www.vapoursynth.com/doc/avfs.html
19:54
BAndiT1983
seen this page, but it has only general infos, without trying it hard to tell
19:54
supragya
this whole documentation look too succinctly
19:55
supragya
(my english)
19:55
supragya
but it has only general infos, without trying it hard to tell - that is the problem
19:55
BAndiT1983
ah, you see, just run it like -> avfs test1.vpy
19:55
supragya
and vpy files are simply those python scripts?
19:56
BAndiT1983
will also try it when i have time, so i can help you in case of problems
19:56
BAndiT1983
yes
19:56
BAndiT1983
To use it simply run avfs in the core32 or core64 directories with the script name as argument. This will create a virtual file in C:\\Volumes.
19:56
supragya
will delve into these and consult when i try
19:56
BAndiT1983
https://github.com/vapoursynth/vapoursynth/issues/93
19:56
supragya
but first, explain me how do you think this is done
19:57
supragya
the VS thing
19:57
supragya
here is what my thoughts were
19:57
supragya
On an end user's system, as he build the OC, .so files will be generated
19:58
supragya
using these so files, the plugins will work?
19:58
supragya
dynamic linking as you said?
19:59
supragya
but then how will actual OCcore (built one) will aid the plugin?
20:00
BAndiT1983
plugin will access the methods in OCcore, like processingtest does it
20:00
BAndiT1983
the taks would allow to define API of OCcore, so it's more clear how to build and use
20:00
supragya
So, it will have no relations with the built systems? just the methods could be scraped and used?
20:01
BAndiT1983
what do you mean by no relation?
20:01
supragya
something like a client server model thing... Like aftereffects frameserver
20:02
supragya
for that a server is established by running aftereffects which will provide the data to plugin using shared mem or MPI
20:02
supragya
I guess that is done because the source is closed
20:02
BAndiT1983
there is also VSFS in VS, but this just as sidenote
20:03
BAndiT1983
it's similar: occore -> vs plugin -> vs -> vsfs/avfs? -> video editor
20:03
BAndiT1983
something like that
20:04
supragya
vsfs is vs prototype of avfs?
20:04
supragya
AVFS -> avisynth like VSFS -> vapoursynth
20:04
supragya
?
20:04
BAndiT1983
something like that, not that much info at first glance
20:04
BAndiT1983
avfs is a separate project
20:06
supragya
occore -> vs plugin -> vs -> vsfs/avfs? -> video editor (can you give an example of video editor you have in mind)
20:06
BAndiT1983
there are many, but you could also try to use a player, like VLC, WMP
20:06
BAndiT1983
something which is usually not loading DNG sequences
20:07
BAndiT1983
you could also try blender
20:07
supragya
occore -> vs plugin -> vs -> vsfs/avfs? -> VLC doesn't seem hard to me
20:07
TofuLynx
Back
20:07
supragya
however given that DNG sequences are not read as of now
20:08
supragya
it would be a static frame
20:08
BAndiT1983
that could be the frist task, to get at least an image showing, before we would approach sequences
20:08
BAndiT1983
*first
20:08
BAndiT1983
see, you got the idea, before i have completed typing
20:08
supragya
Let me try my hand on displaying this static frame.. before my proposal atlease
20:08
supragya
atleast
20:09
BAndiT1983
take your time, tasks can always be extended and adjusted
20:09
supragya
I guess if I am successful at this. I can extend to sequences
20:09
supragya
in my proposal
20:10
TofuLynx
My main objective till 27 march is to get a proof of which is better suited for the raw debayering, openCL or openGL
20:10
supragya
What's bad with VSPIPE is this: vspipeâs main purpose is to evaluate VapourSynth scripts and output the frames to a file.
20:11
BAndiT1983
converted videos with it
20:13
BAndiT1983
TofuLynx, the taks is a bit different, if i remember correctly
20:13
supragya
BAndiT1983, exactly
20:13
TofuLynx
Hmm?
20:13
BAndiT1983
first evaluate and implement debayer methods and optimize afterwards by using different APIs
20:14
supragya
BAndiT1983, that is why I was asking the task number from TofuLynx
20:14
BAndiT1983
that was a task for gsoc2017, but we decided to do another one
20:14
TofuLynx
Hmm
20:14
BAndiT1983
it's in the lab, have to take a look
20:14
supragya
VapourSynth is new?
20:14
TofuLynx
It's t722
20:15
BAndiT1983
look at it, there is "next stell would ...."
20:15
BAndiT1983
and there is opencl etc.
20:15
BAndiT1983
*next step
20:15
supragya
t722 does not talk about OpenCL and OpenGL I remember
20:15
TofuLynx
Oh so it would already reflect research on the best way to optimise?
20:15
BAndiT1983
"Next step would be to accelerate the implementation by using multi-threading if not already done or OpenCL on CPU/GPU."
20:16
supragya
It's more like buy a dog before petting him
20:16
TofuLynx
You should put an etc in the description, no? xD
20:16
BAndiT1983
first one needs a code, before trying to optimize it
20:17
BAndiT1983
the task can be adjusted, as you can try opengl with fragment shaders or compute shaders, opencl, openmp SIMD/SSE, arrayfire, cuda etc. etc. etc.
20:17
BAndiT1983
but it would be too much, it should be somewhat simple to build, without too much hassle
20:18
TofuLynx
Yeah I understand
20:19
supragya
TofuLynx, another reason I got rejected last summer was this
20:19
supragya
don't get too ahead of yourself
20:19
TofuLynx
Hmm I see
20:19
supragya
(Just a though, I think BAndiT1983 would agree)
20:20
BAndiT1983
it's also a problem, gsoc should teach to approach the tasks by splitting from simple to difficult stages and approach them
20:21
TofuLynx
I think it was just a interpretation problem. I interpreted it as being optimization only with openCL
20:21
supragya
Let me break it down for you
20:21
TofuLynx
So I was proposing the use of other technologies like openGL and such
20:21
BAndiT1983
we wanted to keep it simple to begin with
20:21
supragya
Simply put... your concentration should be to add debayering algorithm implementations to the OCcore
20:22
BAndiT1983
if you are sure you will complete something in given time, then you can select appropriate tech
20:22
supragya
then whether you use Tesla GPUs or Falcon 9 rockets, upto you
20:22
BAndiT1983
we don't want to launch tesla into space ;)
20:23
supragya
Just saw the launch yesterday
20:23
BAndiT1983
?
20:23
supragya
Some SPACEX launch
20:23
BAndiT1983
so much delay on the internet? ;)
20:23
TofuLynx
xD
20:23
BAndiT1983
ah, i thought the one with the car
20:24
TofuLynx
Why not launching an axiom beta kit to the space?
20:24
BAndiT1983
landing of boosters was rather impressing, almost surreal, like scifi movie
20:24
TofuLynx
It's amazing really
20:24
supragya
Why not launching an axiom beta kit to the space? - cuz it will fail while building itself XD
20:24
supragya
call MedicineYeh
20:24
BAndiT1983
china also has a space station, or has it already crashed into atmospehere?
20:25
TofuLynx
Ahahahah
20:25
supragya
For debayering I see, there is use of threads and OMP etc.
20:25
BAndiT1983
https://twitter.com/AXIOM_Community/status/966246927078711296
20:26
BAndiT1983
didn't knew if it was already announced
20:26
TofuLynx
What's that? :O
20:26
BAndiT1983
company which develops for space, ordered axiom beta
20:26
supragya
what?
20:27
BAndiT1983
they want to study usage cases and so on
20:27
BAndiT1983
https://wiki.apertus.org/index.php/AXIOM_Beta/Case_Studies
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supragya
TofuLynx, if you dont mind, how far have you gone with debayering T722?
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TofuLynx_
I won't debayer it yet :P
20:32
Rex0r
Neptec won't be sending the actual Beta into space unfortunately, but they're not the only firm interested in it. I suspect that with other teams who might launch the camera into space it's a case of doing so at the right time (which is about budgets i.e. it's not the right time for them to purchase a camera at the moment).
20:32
BAndiT1983
now we can shoot axiom to the moon -> https://www.reuters.com/article/us-telecoms-mobileworld-moon/moon-to-get-first-mobile-phone-network-idUSKCN1GB27A?il=0
20:32
BAndiT1983
Rex0r, thanks for details, knew just about case studies, so they avoid most risks
20:32
TofuLynx_
First I'm understand what's coded in OpenCine
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TofuLynx_
Now, i have to create a class that extracts from data in a reduced resolution
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TofuLynx_
aka a downscaler extractor
20:33
BAndiT1983
it's an excercise for you, to try your skills
20:33
TofuLynx_
yeah
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TofuLynx_
supragya, forgot to answer you
20:34
supragya
Well I remember BAndiT1983 telling me this to speed up VS plugin streaming...
20:34
BAndiT1983
yes,
20:34
TofuLynx_
TofuLynx is a kinda random name, i love lynxs, specially the iberian lynx.
20:34
supragya
TofuLynx_, do it... so I don't have to... and can focus on VS ;)
20:35
TofuLynx_
Ok :P
20:35
BAndiT1983
supragya, current debayering will be sufficient for static stuff, if compiled in release mode it'S ok also for sequences
20:36
BAndiT1983
had sequence support in old OC version, player rather well, but with 4k it's a struggle for normal machine, at least it was several years ago
20:36
supragya
I remember you told it as an advanced measure
20:36
supragya
not focusing on it now
20:36
BAndiT1983
focus on getting the feature done first
20:37
BAndiT1983
i like the description by a big maaster, Martin Fowler: red, green, refactor
20:37
BAndiT1983
it describes test-driven development
20:37
BAndiT1983
first you start with a test, it's red, there is no code or just an interface
20:37
TofuLynx_
BAndiT1983 , current debayering takes me around 200ms, in non release mod
20:37
TofuLynx_
is it normal?
20:38
BAndiT1983
then you write quick code to get it green, however you can accomplish it
20:38
TofuLynx_
for an "ideal experience" we have to get around 16ms, right?
20:38
BAndiT1983
the refactor, usually test turns red again and you repeat the cycle
20:38
TofuLynx_
not a problem to resolve for now though
20:38
BAndiT1983
30ms are sufficient for 33fps
20:38
BAndiT1983
40ms for 25fps
20:39
TofuLynx_
oh 16ms is 60fps xD
20:39
TofuLynx_
sorry
20:39
BAndiT1983
200ms can be normal, because of cpu caching at first start and other factors
20:39
BAndiT1983
one has to evaluate every stage of processing to find the cuplrit
20:39
TofuLynx_
yeah makes sense
20:39
TofuLynx_
but it's good nonetheless I think
20:40
TofuLynx_
it's more than 4K process in 200ms
20:40
TofuLynx_
processed*
20:40
supragya
I think I should sleep now... 2AM
20:41
BAndiT1983
there is still room for improvement of the pipeline later
20:41
supragya
will hang on a little longer...
20:41
BAndiT1983
supragya, enough sleep is important, also sleeping not much because of stress
20:41
TofuLynx_
yeah, sleep is very important :P
20:42
supragya
Well did not expect this
20:43
BAndiT1983
?
20:44
supragya
you not sleeping because of stress too?
20:44
BAndiT1983
have to manage several things, like preparations for moving, my daily job and other stuff, including apertus
20:45
BAndiT1983
but when i've moved, then it will be more relax, have already nice plans for new apartment
20:45
supragya
Well we managed 60KB of chat today.
20:46
BAndiT1983
as i said, not much movement here usually, so the server got all dusty
20:46
BAndiT1983
g3gg0, you are here from ML, am i right?
20:46
supragya
Well you won't bother much if it is always like this here too
20:47
BAndiT1983
only team meetings gathered some chat messages, not many active users
20:47
TofuLynx_
supragya, we gotta do 1GB of chat till summer :D
20:48
BAndiT1983
i like all the different areas i've already worked on after joining apertus
20:48
supragya
1GB - you say? let me get that jpeg:base64 image data back here
20:48
TofuLynx_
ahahahah
20:49
BAndiT1983
cannot just sit on the couch, watching TV, it would bore me to death
20:49
BAndiT1983
;)
20:52
supragya
BAndiT1983, are we entertaining you?
20:52
supragya
:)
20:53
BAndiT1983
are you trying new carreer paths? ;) want to replace Raj at big bang theory?
20:53
supragya
wanna be a youtubere
20:54
TofuLynx_
ahahahah
20:54
supragya
Piewdiepie!!
20:55
supragya
but yes, I like making videos.
20:58
TofuLynx_
same supragya
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TofuLynx_
:)
20:58
TofuLynx_
last year I made a video about coimbra that won first prize :)
20:59
TofuLynx_
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqAiB2JzcKo
20:59
TofuLynx_
it was done on a hurry with a camera from a friend xD
21:00
BAndiT1983
have you panned across the video? i mean the scene with the statues, as the pan is not very natural
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BAndiT1983
or used stabilization?
21:01
TofuLynx_
which statue?
21:01
TofuLynx_
in some parts I had to use stabilization yeah
21:01
TofuLynx_
and it was "emergency filming" with my mobile phone
21:01
TofuLynx_
that's why it has some overexposed whites
21:02
BAndiT1983
ah, that explains heavy vibration cancellation
21:02
TofuLynx_
yeah
21:02
BAndiT1983
nice video
21:03
TofuLynx_
thanks :)
21:03
supragya
nice
21:03
supragya
thought i would see your face
21:03
TofuLynx_
ahahahah why? xD
21:03
BAndiT1983
go to github, if you want to see the photo
21:03
TofuLynx_
yeah :)
21:04
supragya
i saw his photo
21:04
supragya
earlier itself
21:05
TofuLynx_
you forgot my face? :///
21:07
supragya
this yours? https://www.roblox.com/users/338066962/profile
21:07
TofuLynx_
No xD
21:07
TofuLynx_
I never played roblox
21:07
BAndiT1983
supragya, you should study IRC logs ;)
21:07
TofuLynx_
ahahahah
21:08
supragya
I know you mentioned it once
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TofuLynx_
www.linkedin.com/in/claudio-fp-gomes
21:08
supragya
but not the link
21:09
supragya
supragya, you should study IRC logs ;) - why?
21:12
BAndiT1983
anuejn, about the pull request, trying to build it locally, do still the old instructions apply?
21:15
BAndiT1983
nevermind, the new readme is there, but github is not showing it in nice format
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21:38
BAndiT1983
se6astian, the build of beta-software with the pull request ran fine and is easier than before
21:38
BAndiT1983
we could merge it
21:39
BAndiT1983
another thing to take care of, is the CI which should be configured for pull requests, so we can test them faster
21:50
se6astian
great, will merge
21:51
se6astian
CI would be great, who has access ?
21:51
TofuLynx
what is CI?
21:51
BAndiT1983
don't know, who has created it in first place?
21:52
BAndiT1983
CI is continuous integration
21:52
BAndiT1983
a system which looks for git commits and builds the software to ensure it haas no errors
21:52
BAndiT1983
not only git, but i used it as practical example here
21:52
TofuLynx
ah ok!
21:53
se6astian
it was set up by the same guys who did the PR, so that should work out I guess
21:53
BAndiT1983
:D
21:53
se6astian
BAndiT1983: can you email them please?
21:53
se6astian
I am about to switch off for today
21:54
BAndiT1983
alright, will try to find emails for address
21:54
se6astian
and please do ask them to share more about the AXIOM Micro, we are very curios
21:54
BAndiT1983
anuejn, your turn! ;)
21:55
BAndiT1983
where have we discussed it? in lab?
21:55
se6astian
ok, I am off, good night!
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21:57
vup[m]
i'm the guy who did the pr, i think anuejn has access to the gitlab repo which run the CI atm (https://gitlab.com/apertus/beta-software)
21:57
BAndiT1983
ah, just wrote in the lab to jatha, which should be the same guy, am i right?
21:58
vup[m]
nope, but should be fine
21:58
vup[m]
jatha is anuejn
21:58
BAndiT1983
that's what i mean
21:58
vup[m]
oh right
21:58
BAndiT1983
he told us yesterday, that someone else create the PR
21:58
BAndiT1983
so i've seen the avatar in github and lab
22:00
BAndiT1983
vup[m], i hope that anuejn looks into chat later, we just need some setup to test PRs before merge
22:01
BAndiT1983
by the way, very nice way to build and much easier
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vup[m]
best option to support building PRs I can think of would be to use a CI service that supports github natively (e.g. travis). As all the building runs in a ready made docker container it should be quite easy.
22:10
BAndiT1983
ah, right, forgot tjat current build is going to gitlab
22:10
BAndiT1983
*that
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BAndiT1983
vup[m], i will ask se6astian about travis tomorrow, as i don't have sufficient rights for the repo
22:18
vup[m]
Cool, I can look into getting a travis setup running
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22:26
BAndiT1983
hi Jelaque8
22:26
Jelaque8
Hi BAndiT1983
22:30
Jelaque8
I'm computer science student
22:31
BAndiT1983
let me guess, you are interested in gsoc2018
22:32
Jelaque8
Yep :)
22:32
BAndiT1983
so, what are you interested in?
22:36
Jelaque8
I want find out what kind of proposal I can offer
22:37
BAndiT1983
we have several areas, just wanted to know if you are more interested in electronics, FPGA, image processing or other
22:37
BAndiT1983
here are current tasks -> https://lab.apertus.org/project/view/20/
22:37
BAndiT1983
one can also propose own task
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Jelaque8
So, also there are task currently working and I can join those?
22:42
BAndiT1983
if you have found something that appeals to you, then you have to check the description, but prior you also have to complete a challenge, related to the area
22:42
BAndiT1983
you can find the challenges in the first column, a challenge is mandatory, so we can see if the student is up to the gsoc
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BAndiT1983
Jelaque8, you can find logs at irc.apertus.org if you had disconnect in between
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Jelaque8_
I open the chat on the navigator, now it's fine
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BAndiT1983
off for today
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TofuLynx
Off for today! Good night!
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