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2020/12/27

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Bertl
off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
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Bertl
morning folks!
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EmilJ
could be of interest, a compilation of free software for use in education: https://pads.cyber4edu.org/s/est2jez4V#
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BAndiT1983
EmilJ: shuddering when i see Moddle as first one
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BAndiT1983
*Moodle
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Bertl
well, it says 'in Education' so the background is different
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EmilJ
what's wrong with Moodle?
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Bertl
I'm missing a number of tools and applications I would expect to be there though
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Bertl
for example TeX or at least LaTeX and LyX
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EmilJ
Well, those seem exclusively coder-friendly
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Bertl
LyX?
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Bertl
did you ever try it?
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EmilJ
I did not, but you still write LaTeX in LyX, right
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Bertl
you 'produce' LaTeX but you write text
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BAndiT1983
EmilJ: plain and simple, Moodle was always a crappy tool, even back when i was starting to study in 2005, had also to do admin stuff there
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EmilJ
oh, okay. It still seems like the rest of the tools are much more... UX-first
14:33
BAndiT1983
latex is also working pretty good in vscode with preview
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EmilJ
I have done LaTeX in VSCode and it is very comfortable for me, however, it is unavoidably, intensely, still LaTeX, with all the horror of LaTeX
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BAndiT1983
if you have set up a template there is not much to worry about, wrote my diploma in it, after word has broken my layout because of images and inserts in-between
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EmilJ
I was working with a template. Still went through tons of frustration
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Bertl
most likely because you were 'used' to stuff like Microsoft Word and similar
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EmilJ
I am not too used to Word, I am used to constantly googling small things
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Bertl
the problem is that almost all folks who start with TeX or LaTeX work against the tool instead of focusing on the content
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EmilJ
I agree
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EmilJ
I don't think you can sell an organization on a free tool that comes with a heap of idiosyncrasies
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BAndiT1983
EmilJ: not always true, but the problem is to convince managers which are far too long in the company and brake the progress
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BAndiT1983
when the fubar case is reached, then they start to search for alternatives
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EmilJ
ultimately, things that fully abstract their backends are the only way of doing things, and LyX seems to be an advanced attempt at that, so I'm not against LyX
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BAndiT1983
and by the way, you don't even imagine how much open-source is used in companies
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EmilJ
what do you mean?
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BAndiT1983
companies use a lot of open-source libs and tools, as they want to save money, also because commercial solutions are not always giving you the whole set of tools etc.
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BAndiT1983
my favourite case is the long, long period which it takes to acquire a commercial tool, where the order is residing in the finance department for months, till it's finally sent over to the supplier
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EmilJ
I see
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se6ast1an
good evening, I am back!
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anuejn
I think too that latex is a tool that is kind of elitist
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anuejn
it is certainly not easy to use and has a lot of pitfalls
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anuejn
one can do great things with it but i wouldnt say that latex has good ux
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Bertl
that's what tools like LyX are for
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anuejn
even with lyx i find latex terribly slow
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anuejn
waiting a couple of seconds to reposition an image is somewhat wired i guess
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Bertl
see, there is the problem, you should not even bother with 'repositioning' an image
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anuejn
well that is a thing i see different ;)
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Bertl
that's why there are alternatives available as well
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anuejn
never is reeeally rare ;)
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vup
I think the worst is doing tikz images, waiting for >10 seconds for simple tweaks can be quite frustrating
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BAndiT1983
is it really latex or the computer is not that powerful itself?
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vup
Well the computer doesn't make a huge difference ime
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vup
And latex is quite fast for what it is doing, but not being incremental hurts quite a lot probably
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BAndiT1983
that was my next question, if it uses incremental updates, haven't used it for a while, so doesn't remember if the editors are responsible for caching or not
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BAndiT1983
but tikz supports caching, according to quick googling
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BAndiT1983
when the drawing is external
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vup
Yes it caches a single image and reuses it if it does not change
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vup
But that doesn't help while you are creating the image
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vup
If it is a big more sophisticated or if you need some advanced features it can get slow pretty quickly
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BAndiT1983
ok, maybe a shortcoming in tikz itself
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vup
Atleast luatex helps with that a bit
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vup
Well images might not be what tex was imagined for, doing arbitrary precision arithmetic and more won't help with performance
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vup
But i haven't been able to find something that looks as nice as tikz (and pgfplots for plots)
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BAndiT1983
probably depends on requirements, sometimes doing an SVG in inkscape is already enough, but sometimes much more complex things have to be done
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BAndiT1983
ah, there is also a plugin for inkscape, and other apps, for tikz, have to check it out, when i get around to use tex again
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vup
Yeah inkscape is what i started with, but tikz looks better and is easier to use (atlast for me)
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se6ast1an
vup / anuejn are you following the C3 online this year?
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vup
a bit yes
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se6ast1an
a read that its a bit "chaotic" :)
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se6ast1an
anything interesting discovered ?
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vup
well you probably read there is a 2D world you can walk around and "bump" into people, making you both join a jitsi server
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vup
so thats interesting
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se6ast1an
very nice
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se6ast1an
and the official talks?
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xthenode
so i guess axiom can be used as a webcam?
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vup
se6ast1an: I have to admit, I did not watch any talks yet :)
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se6ast1an
ah :)
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se6ast1an
xthenode: not really currently
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vup
xthenode: In theory yes, in practice the gateware / software is not polished for that yet, but we did get some basic streaming over usb working recently, which should make it possible to create a userspace v4l2 device
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xthenode
im creating a client that will be able to use feeds. one of which would be WebRTC
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xthenode
im using it to test gl performance
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xthenode
the question about posting images and videos was for posting stills and video of the client...
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xthenode
the current all gl remote client does not seem to be resizable...
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xthenode
or my display is too small
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Bertl
off for now ... bbl
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