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| 13:12 | Bertl | morning folks!
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| 13:19 | EmilJ | could be of interest, a compilation of free software for use in education: https://pads.cyber4edu.org/s/est2jez4V#
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| 13:25 | BAndiT1983 | EmilJ: shuddering when i see Moddle as first one
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| 13:25 | BAndiT1983 | *Moodle
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| 13:28 | Bertl | well, it says 'in Education' so the background is different
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| 13:29 | EmilJ | what's wrong with Moodle?
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| 13:29 | Bertl | I'm missing a number of tools and applications I would expect to be there though
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| 13:29 | Bertl | for example TeX or at least LaTeX and LyX
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| 13:29 | EmilJ | Well, those seem exclusively coder-friendly
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| 13:30 | Bertl | LyX?
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| 13:30 | Bertl | did you ever try it?
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| 13:30 | EmilJ | I did not, but you still write LaTeX in LyX, right
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| 13:31 | Bertl | you 'produce' LaTeX but you write text
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| 13:33 | BAndiT1983 | EmilJ: plain and simple, Moodle was always a crappy tool, even back when i was starting to study in 2005, had also to do admin stuff there
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| 13:33 | EmilJ | oh, okay. It still seems like the rest of the tools are much more... UX-first
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| 13:33 | BAndiT1983 | latex is also working pretty good in vscode with preview
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| 13:34 | EmilJ | I have done LaTeX in VSCode and it is very comfortable for me, however, it is unavoidably, intensely, still LaTeX, with all the horror of LaTeX
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| 13:35 | BAndiT1983 | if you have set up a template there is not much to worry about, wrote my diploma in it, after word has broken my layout because of images and inserts in-between
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| 13:35 | EmilJ | I was working with a template. Still went through tons of frustration
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| 13:36 | Bertl | most likely because you were 'used' to stuff like Microsoft Word and similar
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| 13:37 | EmilJ | I am not too used to Word, I am used to constantly googling small things
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| 13:37 | Bertl | the problem is that almost all folks who start with TeX or LaTeX work against the tool instead of focusing on the content
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| 13:37 | EmilJ | I agree
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| 13:38 | EmilJ | I don't think you can sell an organization on a free tool that comes with a heap of idiosyncrasies
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| 13:39 | BAndiT1983 | EmilJ: not always true, but the problem is to convince managers which are far too long in the company and brake the progress
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| 13:40 | BAndiT1983 | when the fubar case is reached, then they start to search for alternatives
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| 13:42 | EmilJ | ultimately, things that fully abstract their backends are the only way of doing things, and LyX seems to be an advanced attempt at that, so I'm not against LyX
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| 13:42 | BAndiT1983 | and by the way, you don't even imagine how much open-source is used in companies
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| 13:43 | EmilJ | what do you mean?
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| 13:46 | BAndiT1983 | companies use a lot of open-source libs and tools, as they want to save money, also because commercial solutions are not always giving you the whole set of tools etc.
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| 13:47 | BAndiT1983 | my favourite case is the long, long period which it takes to acquire a commercial tool, where the order is residing in the finance department for months, till it's finally sent over to the supplier
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| 13:49 | EmilJ | I see
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| 15:30 | se6ast1an | good evening, I am back!
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| 15:31 | anuejn | I think too that latex is a tool that is kind of elitist
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| 15:32 | anuejn | it is certainly not easy to use and has a lot of pitfalls
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| 15:32 | anuejn | one can do great things with it but i wouldnt say that latex has good ux
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| 15:33 | Bertl | that's what tools like LyX are for
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| 16:03 | anuejn | even with lyx i find latex terribly slow
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| 16:04 | anuejn | waiting a couple of seconds to reposition an image is somewhat wired i guess
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| 16:04 | Bertl | see, there is the problem, you should not even bother with 'repositioning' an image
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| 16:05 | anuejn | well that is a thing i see different ;)
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| 16:05 | Bertl | that's why there are alternatives available as well
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| 16:05 | anuejn | never is reeeally rare ;)
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| 16:24 | vup | I think the worst is doing tikz images, waiting for >10 seconds for simple tweaks can be quite frustrating
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| 16:27 | BAndiT1983 | is it really latex or the computer is not that powerful itself?
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| 16:32 | vup | Well the computer doesn't make a huge difference ime
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| 16:33 | vup | And latex is quite fast for what it is doing, but not being incremental hurts quite a lot probably
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| 16:36 | BAndiT1983 | that was my next question, if it uses incremental updates, haven't used it for a while, so doesn't remember if the editors are responsible for caching or not
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| 16:36 | BAndiT1983 | but tikz supports caching, according to quick googling
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| 16:37 | BAndiT1983 | when the drawing is external
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| 16:39 | vup | Yes it caches a single image and reuses it if it does not change
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| 16:40 | vup | But that doesn't help while you are creating the image
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| 16:40 | vup | If it is a big more sophisticated or if you need some advanced features it can get slow pretty quickly
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| 16:41 | BAndiT1983 | ok, maybe a shortcoming in tikz itself
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| 16:41 | vup | Atleast luatex helps with that a bit
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| 16:42 | vup | Well images might not be what tex was imagined for, doing arbitrary precision arithmetic and more won't help with performance
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| 16:43 | vup | But i haven't been able to find something that looks as nice as tikz (and pgfplots for plots)
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| 16:46 | BAndiT1983 | probably depends on requirements, sometimes doing an SVG in inkscape is already enough, but sometimes much more complex things have to be done
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| 16:46 | BAndiT1983 | ah, there is also a plugin for inkscape, and other apps, for tikz, have to check it out, when i get around to use tex again
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| 16:51 | vup | Yeah inkscape is what i started with, but tikz looks better and is easier to use (atlast for me)
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| 19:26 | se6ast1an | vup / anuejn are you following the C3 online this year?
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| 19:27 | vup | a bit yes
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| 19:35 | se6ast1an | a read that its a bit "chaotic" :)
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| 19:35 | se6ast1an | anything interesting discovered ?
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| 19:53 | vup | well you probably read there is a 2D world you can walk around and "bump" into people, making you both join a jitsi server
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| 19:53 | vup | so thats interesting
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| 20:00 | se6ast1an | very nice
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| 20:00 | se6ast1an | and the official talks?
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| 20:01 | xthenode | so i guess axiom can be used as a webcam?
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| 20:03 | vup | se6ast1an: I have to admit, I did not watch any talks yet :)
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| 20:04 | se6ast1an | ah :)
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| 20:04 | se6ast1an | xthenode: not really currently
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| 20:04 | vup | xthenode: In theory yes, in practice the gateware / software is not polished for that yet, but we did get some basic streaming over usb working recently, which should make it possible to create a userspace v4l2 device
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| 20:06 | xthenode | im creating a client that will be able to use feeds. one of which would be WebRTC
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| 20:07 | xthenode | im using it to test gl performance
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| 20:10 | xthenode | the question about posting images and videos was for posting stills and video of the client...
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| 20:11 | xthenode | the current all gl remote client does not seem to be resizable...
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| 20:12 | xthenode | or my display is too small
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