| 23:00 | comradekingu | But a family marathon, now thats odd ;)
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| 23:02 | Bertl | merry yule then! :)
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| 23:02 | comradekingu | good yuletide i think the english say
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| 23:02 | Bertl | ah, good to know!
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| 23:03 | comradekingu | Its an indiginous european tradition, so no need to put x-mass to make it less judeo-christian :)
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| 23:04 | comradekingu | I can tell the stories later, but busy watching a movie right now
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| 23:04 | Bertl | well, the only correct form is 'merry grav-mass' here, no?
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| 23:05 | Bertl | but we're already late for that anyway
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| 23:49 | comradekingu | Why everyone so eager to steal rather than parttake in the jule festivities
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| 23:50 | comradekingu | To spare on technicalities, its the fortune of living through the winter, and cherising everything that makes it possible, the balance of things
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| 23:51 | comradekingu | a person cultus does not fit in, that is the opposite
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| 23:53 | comradekingu | cherish science for what its worth, be it the persuit of knowledge, as in odin, or whatnot, but do it on its own terms, dont imitate
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| 00:04 | Bertl | fair enough, but for efficiency, it makes sense that certain seasonal 'holidays' fall together at the same time
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| 00:06 | Bertl | so let's simply consider it coincidence and make it a multiple choice holiday :)
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| 00:37 | comradekingu | its not, and you know better, for me its a sacred time, so im saddened. It can be for you too, for any reason you wish, but i think its in bad taste to take the tree in the name of efficiency. Also i dont think isac newton would agree with me, but he would in a sense agree to disagree on having his name used like that
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| 00:42 | Bertl | well, I didn't want to hurt you, anyway moving on ...
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| 00:48 | ItsMeLenny | i think i missed the start of the convo
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| 00:59 | comradekingu | you came at a strange time. Anyhow, its take your pick between yule, christmass, or isaac-newton day of birth/gravity, currently they follow each other like that, through imitation
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| 01:00 | comradekingu | Which would be ok for the third if the second one respected cultural exchange like the first one does
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| 01:01 | comradekingu | And i wanted to tell my story about the small people, the ones whos land it is we build our houses on, they must be remembered and cherised
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| 01:03 | comradekingu | Drink with reason, and wish for cold winters and good things
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| 01:11 | ItsMeLenny | Xmas is still christmas
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| 01:12 | ItsMeLenny | lets reference to wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xmas
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| 01:12 | ItsMeLenny | i found that the references in wikipedia, i visite a lot of them on one page, are the most rubbish references ive ever read
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| 01:12 | comradekingu | I predate wikipedia, and my culture predates christianity
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| 01:13 | comradekingu | Saying Xmass is just a silly invention trying to make yule not about judeo-christianity, when it actually isnt to begin with
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| 01:14 | ItsMeLenny | i guess you only speak ancient germanic also?
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| 01:14 | comradekingu | Secondly it garners support from trying to make a winter-solstice festivity less religious, when, again, religion wasnt a bad thing till judeo-christianity came around
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| 01:15 | comradekingu | ItsMeLenny: i do, yes
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| 01:15 | ItsMeLenny | as speaking modern english would be sacrilege
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| 01:15 | ItsMeLenny | to be honest i thought the isacc newton comment was something to do with a naming scheme for axiom
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| 01:16 | comradekingu | i think naming technology products "newton" pretty much dooms the whole thing
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| 01:18 | comradekingu | I have no problems with other people doing other things, that is their thing, and then i can have my things. Saying Xmass is uneducated and not as a-religious as it makes itself out to be
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| 01:19 | ItsMeLenny | """The "-mas" part is from the Latin-derived Old English word for Mass, while the "X" comes from the Greek letter Chi, which is the first letter of the Greek word ΧÏιÏÏÏÏ which comes into English as "Christ""""
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| 01:20 | ItsMeLenny | at the same time i think this discussion is better suited for the irc room of #judeo-christianity
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| 01:20 | ItsMeLenny | more information can be found at www.judeo-christianity.com
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| 01:33 | comradekingu | hehe, there is even a page on "christmas controversy"
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| 01:36 | comradekingu | what we call a jule-tree and send off to others, they call a "christmas-tree" and then turn around and call it "holiday tree" to appease muslims, its unreal
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| 01:49 | ItsMeLenny | well now you're talking about abrahamic religions
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| 01:56 | comradekingu | islam was always judeo-christian, to the point where you can call judeo-christianity original, which is where religion starts being the problem
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| 02:01 | comradekingu | It said something along the lines of christmass took a lot of influence from northern europe since that was the last of the countries to be christianized, and "scandinavians still call christmas yule"
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| 02:02 | comradekingu | Got that corrected, but it shows how relentlessly and mind-bogglingly inept and/or arrogant judeo-christian people get
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| 02:03 | comradekingu | I sometimes think of the future i wish for and i think will happen based on the progress so far, and it strikes me as very difficult to explain just how bad many things are right now
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| 02:04 | comradekingu | When they eventually change, it will just be one of those things that make me feel antiquated and old
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| 04:30 | Bertl | off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
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| 04:31 | comradekingu | good night
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| 04:32 | comradekingu | oioi, 6.30 am here, best go to sleep myself
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| 12:37 | Bertl | morning folks!
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| 12:39 | Bertl | davidak: darthrake was on the way yesterday
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| 18:51 | comradekingu | got some feedback on the EVF evaluation page https://wiki.apertus.org/index.php?title=Talk:EVF_Evaluation
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| 18:51 | comradekingu | must go now, will be back later
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| 21:44 | Bertl | back now ...
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