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| 17:02 | TD-Linux | of course now I'm sad for not participating in the crowdfunding, as I have now needed a camera...
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| 17:07 | comradekingu | I think if you come with all the money upfront you should be given the slot of any of the prefunders opting out
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| 17:07 | comradekingu | if nobody has done so yet, i think a consideration should still be made
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| 17:15 | TD-Linux | oh, looking at the website, is there another crowdfunding round coming up?
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| 17:22 | comradekingu | several, but those are just phases of aligning interest of voucher-holders with production
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| 17:23 | comradekingu | But there is also an ongoing discussion as to how things should be done
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| 17:23 | comradekingu | If you come in, all money up front, and place after the voucher-holders that pay up each time in the queue, i dont see how anyone loses with that
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| 17:23 | comradekingu | sounds fair to me, and im a voucher-holder
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| 17:26 | se6astian | hi TD-Linux, we have a waiting list for people to join the party
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| 17:27 | se6astian | plus it currently looks like a few backers want to wait for the Gamma instead so there should be quite a few Betas up fo grab
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| 17:27 | TD-Linux | also related: I'm looking for redistributable raw footage for video codec testing at the IETF
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| 17:29 | comradekingu | but joining a waiting list is just a direct benefit, its even worse than assuming all voucher-holders want a camera
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| 17:29 | comradekingu | If you part with all the money upfront, that is easier and more clear for everyone
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| 17:30 | comradekingu | Effectivly it should cost more than the initial voucher up-front to take over one of those unused ones
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| 17:32 | comradekingu | If sitting on the fence with a voucher till there is a final product, maintaining the spot inthe queue all along, then we reward initial investment for every reason detrimental to the project and other people
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| 17:33 | comradekingu | I want to pay everything, and the excess to go towards software development
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| 17:34 | comradekingu | In the event that i come up short, thats still just another smaller payment to do, which still beats the 3 payments (and yet not knowing in the end)
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| 17:34 | comradekingu | Allthough if you pay stage 3 at stage 3, the calculations should be more precise
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| 17:45 | se6astian | comradekingu: acquiring a voucher now is indeed more expensive than during crowdfunding which is only fair: 800€ instead of the 350€ in crowdfunding
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| 17:45 | se6astian | the voucher still gives a great discount on the final product
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| 17:45 | se6astian | TD-Linux: what kind of raw footage do you mean?
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| 17:46 | TD-Linux | se6astian, ~5s clips of "whatever". especially in 4k, there is very little actual content to test on
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| 17:47 | TD-Linux | e.g. there is the entire tears of steel movie, but the idea is to have very varied clips to avoid biases
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| 17:47 | se6astian | what kind of "RAW" format do you need
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| 17:47 | se6astian | bayer pattern?
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| 17:49 | TD-Linux | no. for now, postprocessed 4:2:0 YUV
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| 17:49 | se6astian | here is some prores 1080p30 footage from the alpha prototype
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| 17:49 | se6astian | http://files.apertus.org/AXIOM-Alpha/footage/
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| 17:49 | se6astian | 4:2:2 though
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| 17:50 | TD-Linux | yeah that can be fixed :)
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| 18:18 | comradekingu | se6astian: but if 350€ can do nothing, untill a point where its discovered that they arent in for a camera at all, their 350€ for free, could be less beneficial than not
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| 18:19 | comradekingu | I atleast see the benefit in allowing people in now for full final crowdfunder price, maybe even a little more than that
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| 18:20 | comradekingu | I dont know if more money is needed, or could be used for anything other than sitting there, but it would atleast be beneficial to me to not have to do it in 3 payments
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| 19:02 | se6astian | for people joining now we will most likely as for development contribution plus phase 1 payment together
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| 19:02 | se6astian | *ask
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| 19:02 | se6astian | but they are free to also pay full amount right away
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| 19:24 | comradekingu | that is good
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| 19:24 | comradekingu | The more the merrier, as long as its fair
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