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2015/07/27

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17:02
TD-Linux
of course now I'm sad for not participating in the crowdfunding, as I have now needed a camera...
17:07
comradekingu
I think if you come with all the money upfront you should be given the slot of any of the prefunders opting out
17:07
comradekingu
if nobody has done so yet, i think a consideration should still be made
17:15
TD-Linux
oh, looking at the website, is there another crowdfunding round coming up?
17:22
comradekingu
several, but those are just phases of aligning interest of voucher-holders with production
17:23
comradekingu
But there is also an ongoing discussion as to how things should be done
17:23
comradekingu
If you come in, all money up front, and place after the voucher-holders that pay up each time in the queue, i dont see how anyone loses with that
17:23
comradekingu
sounds fair to me, and im a voucher-holder
17:26
se6astian
hi TD-Linux, we have a waiting list for people to join the party
17:27
se6astian
plus it currently looks like a few backers want to wait for the Gamma instead so there should be quite a few Betas up fo grab
17:27
TD-Linux
also related: I'm looking for redistributable raw footage for video codec testing at the IETF
17:29
comradekingu
but joining a waiting list is just a direct benefit, its even worse than assuming all voucher-holders want a camera
17:29
comradekingu
If you part with all the money upfront, that is easier and more clear for everyone
17:30
comradekingu
Effectivly it should cost more than the initial voucher up-front to take over one of those unused ones
17:32
comradekingu
If sitting on the fence with a voucher till there is a final product, maintaining the spot inthe queue all along, then we reward initial investment for every reason detrimental to the project and other people
17:33
comradekingu
I want to pay everything, and the excess to go towards software development
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comradekingu
In the event that i come up short, thats still just another smaller payment to do, which still beats the 3 payments (and yet not knowing in the end)
17:34
comradekingu
Allthough if you pay stage 3 at stage 3, the calculations should be more precise
17:45
se6astian
comradekingu: acquiring a voucher now is indeed more expensive than during crowdfunding which is only fair: 800⬠instead of the 350⬠in crowdfunding
17:45
se6astian
the voucher still gives a great discount on the final product
17:45
se6astian
TD-Linux: what kind of raw footage do you mean?
17:46
TD-Linux
se6astian, ~5s clips of "whatever". especially in 4k, there is very little actual content to test on
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TD-Linux
e.g. there is the entire tears of steel movie, but the idea is to have very varied clips to avoid biases
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se6astian
what kind of "RAW" format do you need
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se6astian
bayer pattern?
17:49
TD-Linux
no. for now, postprocessed 4:2:0 YUV
17:49
se6astian
here is some prores 1080p30 footage from the alpha prototype
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se6astian
http://files.apertus.org/AXIOM-Alpha/footage/
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se6astian
4:2:2 though
17:50
TD-Linux
yeah that can be fixed :)
18:18
comradekingu
se6astian: but if 350⬠can do nothing, untill a point where its discovered that they arent in for a camera at all, their 350⬠for free, could be less beneficial than not
18:19
comradekingu
I atleast see the benefit in allowing people in now for full final crowdfunder price, maybe even a little more than that
18:20
comradekingu
I dont know if more money is needed, or could be used for anything other than sitting there, but it would atleast be beneficial to me to not have to do it in 3 payments
19:02
se6astian
for people joining now we will most likely as for development contribution plus phase 1 payment together
19:02
se6astian
*ask
19:02
se6astian
but they are free to also pay full amount right away
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comradekingu
that is good
19:24
comradekingu
The more the merrier, as long as its fair
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se6astian
time for bed
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se6astian
good night
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