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15:46 | BAndiT1983 | Hello everyone
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16:26 | Rex0r | There's a meeting tonight on here FYI.
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16:33 | BAndiT1983 | tonight?
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16:35 | Rex0r | Aye, pretty sure it was 27th. 19:00 CMT.
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16:36 | BAndiT1983 | for me it's evening, but maybe in english tonight starts from there
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16:36 | BAndiT1983 | in german there are also a couple of strange conventions
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16:53 | se6astian | correct, T minus 67 minutes
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16:54 | BAndiT1983 | T-7 for GSoC, at least according to their timeline
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16:56 | BAndiT1983 | many indian students are looking for projects
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16:58 | se6astian | February 27 16:00 UTC it says
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16:58 | se6astian | that was 1h ago
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16:58 | BAndiT1983 | german time 18:00
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16:59 | Rex0r | Am I gonna be on time for once?
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16:59 | se6astian | gsoc website still says: "2017 Mentoring Organizations will be announced on February 27th, 2017."
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16:59 | se6astian | good to know even google has deadline problems :)
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16:59 | BAndiT1983 | 1 minute to go
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17:00 | Rex0r | They're trying to make sense of our website.
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17:01 | BAndiT1983 | maybe they are attending german carnival at the moment ;) at least the google guys in hamburg
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17:01 | BAndiT1983 | oh, i was a bit wrong: hamburg, berlin, munich
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17:02 | se6astian | https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/organizations/ will show the list
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17:02 | se6astian | haha
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17:02 | BAndiT1983 | i think it's like ddos attack for google at the moment :D
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17:02 | se6astian | I just received an email from google
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17:02 | se6astian | GSoC 2017: Apertus Association has been accepted as a mentor organization!
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17:02 | BAndiT1983 | yeah!!!
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17:02 | se6astian | Congratulations! Apertus Association has been selected as a Google Summer of Code 2017 mentor organization. You can now invite mentors and update your organization profile.
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17:03 | Rex0r | You're joking!
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17:04 | BAndiT1983 | https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/organizations/4801281785856000/
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17:05 | se6astian | great
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17:05 | se6astian | and just in time for the meeting :)
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17:06 | alexML | yay :)
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17:06 | Rex0r | The only place that 1080p footage of Max's beard was made available online was on the back end of Team Talk 8
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17:06 | BAndiT1983 | Rex, why are you interested in the beard so much? :D seeking for a new style?
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17:07 | Rex0r | It's the best way to see the picture quality.
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17:07 | BAndiT1983 | i know, was just joking
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17:07 | Rex0r | Well, I am too really.
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17:08 | RexOrCine | Nevertheless a close up of his beard did make an appearance.
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17:08 | RexOrCine | in 1080p no less.
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17:09 | BAndiT1983 | after trying to key the hair on HDV footage with bluescreen, i'm just looking forward to try it ony raw footage, instead blocky anamorph one
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17:48 | simonrepp | whoop whoop o/
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17:48 | simonrepp | meeting time!! (almost)
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17:48 | se6astian | 12 minutes :D
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17:49 | simonrepp | do you want to host and i write the minutes?
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17:49 | simonrepp | paralell processing :)
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17:49 | simonrepp | (also i got the super spelling today haha)
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17:53 | se6astian | fine for me :)
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17:53 | simonrepp | cool
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17:53 | se6astian | do you want to write in collaboration in google doc?
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18:00 | se6astian | ding
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18:00 | se6astian | the atomic clock has rang 19:00
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18:00 | se6astian | welcome to another IRC team meeting!
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18:00 | se6astian | as this worked very well in the past please pm me a on liner per topic you want to report about
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18:00 | se6astian | and I will put everything in order then
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18:01 | se6astian | two absence notes
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18:01 | se6astian | Maxime is unfortunately unavailable but wrote an email with the topic / contributions he would have covered
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18:01 | se6astian | which I will paste here within the reports later
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18:02 | se6astian | and Herbert is unfortunately ill
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18:02 | simonrepp | se6astian: i'll write minutes locally and post whereever i should then afterwards (need to leave strictly bit before 20h and then have time on the subway to finish writing up the minutes ;))
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18:02 | se6astian | right, then lets get going right away
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18:03 | se6astian | my first topic is where we want to store/archive these minutes
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18:03 | se6astian | this was already discussed a few meetings ago and the consensus was to not store/archive them at al
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18:03 | se6astian | l
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18:04 | BAndiT1983 | irc.apertus.org records all the sins :)
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18:04 | se6astian | but they are archived in the IRC logs and the emails sent to team members
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18:04 | BAndiT1983 | i would suggest the lab
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18:04 | se6astian | so I would suggest to acrhive them in a central location
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18:04 | se6astian | lab or wiki for example
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18:04 | simonrepp | i'm pro wiki or the wiki in the lab
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18:05 | nikos_ | wikilab
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18:05 | RexOrCine | Pro Wiki.
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18:05 | nikos_ | wiki sounds good
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18:06 | simonrepp | seems kinda even between wiki and wiki in the lab :)
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18:06 | se6astian | wiki is fine for me too
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18:07 | se6astian | noted, I will check which system makes everything look better and is easier to find and then either put it in the wikilab or wiki :)
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18:07 | davidak | hello
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18:07 | se6astian | hi davidak!
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18:07 | RexOrCine | Hey David.
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18:07 | simonrepp | o/
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18:07 | se6astian | next point on the agenda
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18:07 | se6astian | GSoC results are in
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18:07 | se6astian | and we are in! :D
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18:08 | davidak | yeah!
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18:08 | nikos_ | nice ;)
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18:08 | se6astian | https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/organizations/4801281785856000/
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18:08 | BAndiT1983 | the question is, which preparations have to be done?
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18:09 | se6astian | next phase is the student application phase
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18:09 | RexOrCine | Deadline is March 20th
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18:09 | se6astian | actually its the "pre-application phase" now
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18:09 | se6astian | February 27 - March 20 Potential student participants discuss application ideas with mentoring organizations
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18:09 | se6astian | so we might get contacted by interested folks in the coming time more intensely
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18:10 | BAndiT1983 | let's see how many people are interested
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18:10 | se6astian | next topic: we are currently evaluating the creation of an SCE
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18:11 | se6astian | as replacement of the current apertus company in beligum
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18:11 | se6astian | https://ec.europa.eu/growth/sectors/social-economy/cooperatives/european-cooperative-society_fr
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18:11 | se6astian | SCE stands for European Cooperative Society
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18:11 | se6astian | its an economical organization structure that is limited liability
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18:12 | se6astian | but puts more focus on including members/workers rather than investors
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18:12 | se6astian | so far all things we discovered and understood sound very promising and would fit the project well
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18:12 | se6astian | but no decision has been taken
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18:12 | se6astian | for anyone interested we have a separate meeting about this topic tomorrow at 18:00 CET
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18:13 | simonrepp | (on irc i suppose?)
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18:13 | se6astian | yes
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18:14 | se6astian | next topic: pick and place machine brief news: the liteplacer has been transported to our assembly facility today, the larger pick and place machine OpenPnP conversation is progressing nicely, we placed a first component on a PCB last week
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18:14 | se6astian | 15 feeders have been received in packages now
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18:14 | se6astian | that should have us covered for the near future
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18:14 | se6astian | next topic: TT12.3 is the next upcoming team talk and will focus entirely on sample footage filmed with the AXIOM Beta
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18:15 | se6astian | Rex also created sample footage archives with community contributions on the wiki
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18:15 | se6astian | but so far the amount of contributions have been minimal
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18:15 | RexOrCine | https://wiki.apertus.org/index.php/AXIOM_Beta_I:_Video/
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18:15 | RexOrCine | It's something we're gonna have to keep on top of for now.
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18:16 | RexOrCine | However the .mov files that were tagged onto the back-end of AXIOM Team Talk 8 - https://wiki.apertus.org/index.php/AXIOM_Team_Talk_Episodes should be on there.
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18:17 | se6astian | we want to encourage current Beta owners and early adopters to shoot sample footage more in the coming future
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18:17 | se6astian | next topic: new website progress: not that much happened, a few new people are joining the efforts and we are in discussion, not much too share on that front
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18:18 | RexOrCine | We're waiting for them to master IRC.
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18:18 | se6astian | next topic: BAndiT1983 wasnts to share progress about OC, VM and QEMU
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18:18 | BAndiT1983 | alright, good evening
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18:19 | BAndiT1983 | first OC, progressing rather good, added drive transfer and checksum verification, which have to be debugged, as they are not stable yet
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18:19 | BAndiT1983 | also added thumbnail generation for MOV files using QtAV (FFMPEG), also used the same lib to add player functionality to allow the user to preview the clips
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18:20 | se6astian | OC = Opencine, https://www.apertus.org/en/opencine for anyone wondering
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18:20 | BAndiT1983 | currently building a virtual machine, which should contain OC dev environment, so people cn grab it and start playing around or developing (hope dies last)
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18:21 | BAndiT1983 | as preparation for GSoC2017, i've played around with QEMU and got axiom beta firmware running, Bertl should check it, when he has time, if most parts are similar to the real camera
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18:21 | BAndiT1983 | this will allow to test and debug apps without hardware and also to develop new emulation modules, like sensors
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18:22 | BAndiT1983 | done for now, next please
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18:22 | simonrepp | my feedback on joining in opencinde dev
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18:22 | simonrepp | i feel there's a lack of documentation on what is already there, and what i should get when i build it myself
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18:23 | BAndiT1983 | typical developer problem ;)
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18:23 | simonrepp | i cloned the repo and built stuff (successfully i feel) but am faced with 3 binaries which all do next to nothing and don't resemble the cool interface i see on the opencine subpage on apertus.org
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18:23 | simonrepp | :)
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18:23 | se6astian | hopefully the VM should take care of this all in one go
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18:23 | RexOrCine | Well the OC Wiki entries have been expanded to some degree.
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18:23 | BAndiT1983 | i will add better script to lab
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18:23 | BAndiT1983 | which i use for VM, it has all the steps for ubuntu and derivates
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18:23 | simonrepp | i don't know of any wiki entries and i don't see why anyone else would
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18:23 | simonrepp | if they are there they should be linked in all relevant places
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18:24 | BAndiT1983 | yes, you are right, but i cannot manage all the things at once
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18:24 | BAndiT1983 | that's why VM is coming
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18:24 | simonrepp | that's ok, i'm just pointing out what might be more important than the VM
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18:24 | BAndiT1983 | so most people don't have to tinker around
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18:24 | simonrepp | i don't see how the VM better explains any of that :)
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18:24 | BAndiT1983 | just wait for it ;)
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18:24 | simonrepp | (but happy if i'm mistaken though!)
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18:25 | OscaR | Hi
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18:25 | se6astian | hey oscar!
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18:25 | RexOrCine | A lot of this comes down to the website revision, but the Wiki has been improved in the meatime.
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18:25 | simonrepp | linking to the wiki in the README etc. -> 5 minutes
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18:25 | simonrepp | do it ;)
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18:25 | simonrepp | then people actually find stuff
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18:25 | se6astian | next topic: quick update on the full enclosure CAD and visualization front, MichaelH has been rendering beautiful images of the current CAD models: https://lab.apertus.org/pholio/
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18:26 | BAndiT1983 | master branch is not updated yet, dev one is
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18:27 | se6astian | with these being evaluated on aesthetics and manufacturability we need need to return to the drawing board in CAD and improve/change what is already there with the things learned through the visualizations
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18:27 | se6astian | next topic, update from Maxime and the brussels division:
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18:27 | se6astian | we once again had hardware issues with the Beta. It's now back to Herbert, who'll be able to be more precise of what's going on. To prevent these kind of issues, we'll built a case around it when it's back to Brussels (maybe in the Alpha style, because I like it and it's easy to show/explain people the stack of boards) and fill the BetaBox with anti-static gloves, wrist strap and general explanations/warnings about ESD.
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18:27 | se6astian | pasting in the email notes he sent
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18:27 | se6astian | the apertus° IRL bxl resume for a second time, and we have already planned the next ones in march, april. Hopefullyt, we'll have the Beta back in two weeks so we can do something with it. (thx in advance Herbert !)
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18:27 | se6astian | This meeting was focused on organizing the open kino event, which will be held end of June in Brussels. The concept is to make movies in 48h or 72h only with FLOSS tools, from the camera (AXIOM !) to the editing and so on ! Just before the event, there'll be workshops about the AXIOM and about FLOSS editing software (KDENlive, Cinelerra, Blender-mod, etc..). The workshops will be given by us (for the AXIOM) and some friends from the OSvideo gro
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18:28 | se6astian | This event will be a good starting point for people to get rid of proprietary tools, and to spread the enthousiasm around open source tools !
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18:28 | se6astian | Also, if you'd like to participate and come to Brussels for a few days of movie making, Beta improving or even sight seeing, don't bother and send me a mail !
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18:28 | se6astian | Finally, as soon as the Beta come back, we'll try to make some nice footage for the website, with the April 1st tradition as a deadline. The aim of such footage are really to show good stuff.
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18:28 | se6astian | note here: no april fools joke planned for this year
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18:28 | se6astian | just sample footage release
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18:28 | nikos_ | correct
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18:29 | nikos_ | planning to shoot in the ardennes forests
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18:29 | se6astian | very nice
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18:29 | se6astian | I have no blender foundation contact other than Ton Rosendaal
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18:29 | se6astian | Simon, do you?
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18:30 | simonrepp | not really, my 2 cents is that they're all reaally busy
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18:30 | se6astian | ok
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18:30 | simonrepp | depends a bit what their role there should be how to approach them on that
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18:31 | simonrepp | feel free to ask me details on other channels anyway
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18:31 | se6astian | that are the official topics on the agenda for today
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18:31 | simonrepp | i'll gladly suggest the right contact adresses
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18:31 | se6astian | if anyone wants to add/share anything else
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18:31 | se6astian | now is the right time
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18:32 | simonrepp | delighted to hear of all the progress! good job everyone :)
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18:33 | se6astian | +1 :)
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18:33 | simonrepp | next meeting!!
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18:34 | simonrepp | we need to set a date :)
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18:34 | se6astian | right!
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18:34 | se6astian | 13.3 would be monday in two weeks
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18:35 | se6astian | 19:00 again
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18:35 | se6astian | any objections?
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18:35 | simonrepp | i'd suggest 20.3. for more time to accumulate news, but 13.3. is fine with me too
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18:35 | BAndiT1983 | no, is good to check if someone has shown interest for gsoc
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18:35 | simonrepp | true that!
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18:35 | RexOrCine | Anything's good for me. Do you have any idea when TT12.3 is scheduled for?
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18:35 | se6astian | 1-2 weeks Id say
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18:35 | simonrepp | then let's go for in 2 weeks, seems to align well :D
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18:36 | se6astian | 13.3 at 19:00 CET is shall be!
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18:36 | nikos_ | ok
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18:36 | OscaR | OK
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18:36 | se6astian | i will write invitation emails now, 4 days before and on the day of the meeting again
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18:36 | simonrepp | great!
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18:38 | simonrepp | i'm finishing the minutes in the next 90 minutes and will pass them via mail to you :)
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18:38 | se6astian | excellent
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18:39 | se6astian | meeting concluded
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18:39 | se6astian | thanks everyone for participating
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18:40 | OscaR | Bye!
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18:42 | BAndiT1983 | Simon, what are you missing to get started, so i know what to prepare asap?
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18:44 | simonrepp | what i was missing back then (now and near/midterm i won't get to it anymore unfortunately, don't want to raise any false hopes ;)) is just more on what the current state is basically
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18:45 | BAndiT1983 | don't worry, i don't have any hope after 3,5 years that people would write code for OC
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18:45 | simonrepp | i found a lot of old stuff to go through, where i then discovered it's old - e.g. README on master, which is like the first thing every interested dev reads so it's kinda important to keep it current and informative
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18:46 | simonrepp | the issues on github as well should be cleaned out completely, just leaving the note that issues are managed in the lab
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18:46 | simonrepp | i did find the issue that points to the lab, but first i looked through some of the issues and it took time from me unnecessarily
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18:46 | BAndiT1983 | will try to update documentation, but first i have to test the build on clean VM, as new libs were added recently
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18:46 | intracube | hi, is there any chance that some PLR sample footage could be filmed?
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18:47 | intracube | it'd be good to see how much it affects movement/motion blur in practice
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18:47 | simonrepp | don't worry about it, just giving you something to work with, i know every little small thing takes time, just want to help prioritize :)
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18:47 | intracube | maybe during the Ardennes forest shoot :)
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18:48 | simonrepp | i saw a lot of activity on the lab (and also commits on gh) but everything felt very technical (along the lines of "implement progress bar loading factory class" or something), so that was very hard to conect to mentally
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18:48 | simonrepp | it seems to only make sense to whoever develops, but without any insight i would have no idea what's going on or how i could connect to that
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18:48 | simonrepp | (which might not be easy to remedy, but just mentioning that that's a barrier as well)
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18:48 | BAndiT1983 | as i don't have much feedback, i have to progress in the style i'm doing my regular job
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18:50 | RexOrCine | Aye but this is why feedback is lost, because people find it hard to connect with what's going on.
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18:50 | BAndiT1983 | people should just send a note when they have questions or other things, so i can respond and adjust the project accordingly
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18:52 | simonrepp | i'll have to run now, my main point to take way: get rid of outdated stuff on all public facing fronts, and keep some high level info up to date and very visible - where is the project, what is there, maybe even in terms that are not for developers, something to wet the appetite to actually take part, if somneone's hooked up then he can still face the technical details and maybe just stay at it :)
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18:53 | simonrepp | if you have more questions drop me a line at *email address removed*n, have to go now :)
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18:53 | BAndiT1983 | alright, thanks for feedback
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18:53 | simonrepp | gladly given!
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20:37 | Akki | hi
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20:37 | se6astian | hey there
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20:37 | Akki | I want to contribute to this organisation
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20:38 | Akki | please help me to get started
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20:38 | d0 | Hi Akki
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20:38 | se6astian | We are happy to guide you
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20:38 | Akki | I am comfortable with FPGA,c++
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20:39 | se6astian | perfect
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20:39 | se6astian | Our main FPGA developer is Bertl_zZ
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20:39 | se6astian | but he is currently not here
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20:39 | se6astian | did you have a look at the idea page?
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20:39 | se6astian | https://lab.apertus.org/project/view/20/
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20:39 | se6astian | did you find anything in particular interesting?
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20:40 | Akki | I dont know hot to get started means I read what are the requirements and technologies used
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20:41 | Akki | Seeing that I found it interesting as I have taken course also in embedded hardware so I am used to FPGA and I do competetive programming also in c++
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20:42 | niemand | great :)
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20:43 | Akki | So, I want to know how to get started
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20:44 | BAndiT1983 | hm, Sebastian, i think it's time for documentation ;)
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20:46 | BAndiT1983 | Akki, if you want to start hardware-related development, you could try to run QEMU with axiom firmware first
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20:47 | BAndiT1983 | if you are interested, then i could look the task up, where i've put the small documentation in
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20:49 | Akki | yes sure
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20:49 | se6astian | off for dinner, bbs
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20:50 | BAndiT1983 | which OS do you use?
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20:50 | Akki | both linux and windows
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20:50 | Akki | ubuntu
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20:50 | BAndiT1983 | perfect, i've tested it on linuxmint, which is the same
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20:51 | BAndiT1983 | pity that Bertl is ill at the moment
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20:51 | BAndiT1983 | this is the task -> https://lab.apertus.org/T737
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20:51 | BAndiT1983 | look through it and ask if something is not clear, i will look for the address of the image file
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20:52 | BAndiT1983 | this is the second task, where i pasted a corrected version, but forgot to update the main one -> https://lab.apertus.org/T739
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20:55 | Akki | I will get back to u soon thanks for the support
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20:55 | BAndiT1983 | no problem, take a look at the pm which i've sent you with the file
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20:56 | RexOrCine | Akki - If I may ask, how did you hear about the project?
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20:59 | BAndiT1983 | some areas should be expanded, just one person per area is not enough
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20:59 | BAndiT1983 | especially when someone got sick or has other things to do
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22:03 | se6astian | good night
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