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2017/02/27

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Bertl_oO
off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
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d0
Hi
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MichaelH
Hi, Folks!
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Rex0r
Hey.
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BAndiT1983
Hello everyone
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Rex0r
There's a meeting tonight on here FYI.
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BAndiT1983
tonight?
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Rex0r
Aye, pretty sure it was 27th. 19:00 CMT.
16:36
BAndiT1983
for me it's evening, but maybe in english tonight starts from there
16:36
BAndiT1983
in german there are also a couple of strange conventions
16:53
se6astian
correct, T minus 67 minutes
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BAndiT1983
T-7 for GSoC, at least according to their timeline
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BAndiT1983
many indian students are looking for projects
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se6astian
February 27 16:00 UTC it says
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se6astian
that was 1h ago
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BAndiT1983
german time 18:00
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Rex0r
Am I gonna be on time for once?
16:59
se6astian
gsoc website still says: "2017 Mentoring Organizations will be announced on February 27th, 2017."
16:59
se6astian
good to know even google has deadline problems :)
16:59
BAndiT1983
1 minute to go
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Rex0r
They're trying to make sense of our website.
17:01
BAndiT1983
maybe they are attending german carnival at the moment ;) at least the google guys in hamburg
17:01
BAndiT1983
oh, i was a bit wrong: hamburg, berlin, munich
17:02
se6astian
https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/organizations/ will show the list
17:02
se6astian
haha
17:02
BAndiT1983
i think it's like ddos attack for google at the moment :D
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se6astian
I just received an email from google
17:02
se6astian
GSoC 2017: Apertus Association has been accepted as a mentor organization!
17:02
BAndiT1983
yeah!!!
17:02
se6astian
Congratulations! Apertus Association has been selected as a Google Summer of Code 2017 mentor organization. You can now invite mentors and update your organization profile.
17:03
Rex0r
You're joking!
17:04
BAndiT1983
https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/organizations/4801281785856000/
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se6astian
great
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se6astian
and just in time for the meeting :)
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alexML
yay :)
17:06
Rex0r
The only place that 1080p footage of Max's beard was made available online was on the back end of Team Talk 8
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BAndiT1983
Rex, why are you interested in the beard so much? :D seeking for a new style?
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Rex0r
It's the best way to see the picture quality.
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BAndiT1983
i know, was just joking
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Rex0r
Well, I am too really.
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RexOrCine
Nevertheless a close up of his beard did make an appearance.
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RexOrCine
in 1080p no less.
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BAndiT1983
after trying to key the hair on HDV footage with bluescreen, i'm just looking forward to try it ony raw footage, instead blocky anamorph one
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simonrepp
whoop whoop o/
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simonrepp
meeting time!! (almost)
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se6astian
12 minutes :D
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simonrepp
do you want to host and i write the minutes?
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simonrepp
paralell processing :)
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simonrepp
(also i got the super spelling today haha)
17:53
se6astian
fine for me :)
17:53
simonrepp
cool
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se6astian
do you want to write in collaboration in google doc?
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se6astian
ding
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se6astian
the atomic clock has rang 19:00
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se6astian
welcome to another IRC team meeting!
18:00
se6astian
as this worked very well in the past please pm me a on liner per topic you want to report about
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se6astian
and I will put everything in order then
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se6astian
two absence notes
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se6astian
Maxime is unfortunately unavailable but wrote an email with the topic / contributions he would have covered
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se6astian
which I will paste here within the reports later
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se6astian
and Herbert is unfortunately ill
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simonrepp
se6astian: i'll write minutes locally and post whereever i should then afterwards (need to leave strictly bit before 20h and then have time on the subway to finish writing up the minutes ;))
18:02
se6astian
right, then lets get going right away
18:03
se6astian
my first topic is where we want to store/archive these minutes
18:03
se6astian
this was already discussed a few meetings ago and the consensus was to not store/archive them at al
18:03
se6astian
l
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BAndiT1983
irc.apertus.org records all the sins :)
18:04
se6astian
but they are archived in the IRC logs and the emails sent to team members
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BAndiT1983
i would suggest the lab
18:04
se6astian
so I would suggest to acrhive them in a central location
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se6astian
lab or wiki for example
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simonrepp
i'm pro wiki or the wiki in the lab
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nikos_
wikilab
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RexOrCine
Pro Wiki.
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nikos_
wiki sounds good
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simonrepp
seems kinda even between wiki and wiki in the lab :)
18:06
se6astian
wiki is fine for me too
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se6astian
noted, I will check which system makes everything look better and is easier to find and then either put it in the wikilab or wiki :)
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davidak
hello
18:07
se6astian
hi davidak!
18:07
RexOrCine
Hey David.
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simonrepp
o/
18:07
se6astian
next point on the agenda
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se6astian
GSoC results are in
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se6astian
and we are in! :D
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davidak
yeah!
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nikos_
nice ;)
18:08
se6astian
https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/organizations/4801281785856000/
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BAndiT1983
the question is, which preparations have to be done?
18:09
se6astian
next phase is the student application phase
18:09
RexOrCine
Deadline is March 20th
18:09
se6astian
actually its the "pre-application phase" now
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se6astian
February 27 - March 20 Potential student participants discuss application ideas with mentoring organizations
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se6astian
so we might get contacted by interested folks in the coming time more intensely
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BAndiT1983
let's see how many people are interested
18:10
se6astian
next topic: we are currently evaluating the creation of an SCE
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se6astian
as replacement of the current apertus company in beligum
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se6astian
https://ec.europa.eu/growth/sectors/social-economy/cooperatives/european-cooperative-society_fr
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se6astian
SCE stands for European Cooperative Society
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se6astian
its an economical organization structure that is limited liability
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se6astian
but puts more focus on including members/workers rather than investors
18:12
se6astian
so far all things we discovered and understood sound very promising and would fit the project well
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se6astian
but no decision has been taken
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se6astian
for anyone interested we have a separate meeting about this topic tomorrow at 18:00 CET
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simonrepp
(on irc i suppose?)
18:13
se6astian
yes
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se6astian
next topic: pick and place machine brief news: the liteplacer has been transported to our assembly facility today, the larger pick and place machine OpenPnP conversation is progressing nicely, we placed a first component on a PCB last week
18:14
se6astian
15 feeders have been received in packages now
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se6astian
that should have us covered for the near future
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se6astian
next topic: TT12.3 is the next upcoming team talk and will focus entirely on sample footage filmed with the AXIOM Beta
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se6astian
Rex also created sample footage archives with community contributions on the wiki
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se6astian
but so far the amount of contributions have been minimal
18:15
RexOrCine
https://wiki.apertus.org/index.php/AXIOM_Beta_I:_Video/
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RexOrCine
It's something we're gonna have to keep on top of for now.
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RexOrCine
However the .mov files that were tagged onto the back-end of AXIOM Team Talk 8 - https://wiki.apertus.org/index.php/AXIOM_Team_Talk_Episodes should be on there.
18:17
se6astian
we want to encourage current Beta owners and early adopters to shoot sample footage more in the coming future
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se6astian
next topic: new website progress: not that much happened, a few new people are joining the efforts and we are in discussion, not much too share on that front
18:18
RexOrCine
We're waiting for them to master IRC.
18:18
se6astian
next topic: BAndiT1983 wasnts to share progress about OC, VM and QEMU
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BAndiT1983
alright, good evening
18:19
BAndiT1983
first OC, progressing rather good, added drive transfer and checksum verification, which have to be debugged, as they are not stable yet
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BAndiT1983
also added thumbnail generation for MOV files using QtAV (FFMPEG), also used the same lib to add player functionality to allow the user to preview the clips
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se6astian
OC = Opencine, https://www.apertus.org/en/opencine for anyone wondering
18:20
BAndiT1983
currently building a virtual machine, which should contain OC dev environment, so people cn grab it and start playing around or developing (hope dies last)
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BAndiT1983
as preparation for GSoC2017, i've played around with QEMU and got axiom beta firmware running, Bertl should check it, when he has time, if most parts are similar to the real camera
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BAndiT1983
this will allow to test and debug apps without hardware and also to develop new emulation modules, like sensors
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BAndiT1983
done for now, next please
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simonrepp
my feedback on joining in opencinde dev
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simonrepp
i feel there's a lack of documentation on what is already there, and what i should get when i build it myself
18:23
BAndiT1983
typical developer problem ;)
18:23
simonrepp
i cloned the repo and built stuff (successfully i feel) but am faced with 3 binaries which all do next to nothing and don't resemble the cool interface i see on the opencine subpage on apertus.org
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simonrepp
:)
18:23
se6astian
hopefully the VM should take care of this all in one go
18:23
RexOrCine
Well the OC Wiki entries have been expanded to some degree.
18:23
BAndiT1983
i will add better script to lab
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BAndiT1983
which i use for VM, it has all the steps for ubuntu and derivates
18:23
simonrepp
i don't know of any wiki entries and i don't see why anyone else would
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simonrepp
if they are there they should be linked in all relevant places
18:24
BAndiT1983
yes, you are right, but i cannot manage all the things at once
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BAndiT1983
that's why VM is coming
18:24
simonrepp
that's ok, i'm just pointing out what might be more important than the VM
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BAndiT1983
so most people don't have to tinker around
18:24
simonrepp
i don't see how the VM better explains any of that :)
18:24
BAndiT1983
just wait for it ;)
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simonrepp
(but happy if i'm mistaken though!)
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OscaR
Hi
18:25
se6astian
hey oscar!
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RexOrCine
A lot of this comes down to the website revision, but the Wiki has been improved in the meatime.
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simonrepp
linking to the wiki in the README etc. -> 5 minutes
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simonrepp
do it ;)
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simonrepp
then people actually find stuff
18:25
se6astian
next topic: quick update on the full enclosure CAD and visualization front, MichaelH has been rendering beautiful images of the current CAD models: https://lab.apertus.org/pholio/
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BAndiT1983
master branch is not updated yet, dev one is
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se6astian
with these being evaluated on aesthetics and manufacturability we need need to return to the drawing board in CAD and improve/change what is already there with the things learned through the visualizations
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se6astian
next topic, update from Maxime and the brussels division:
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se6astian
we once again had hardware issues with the Beta. It's now back to Herbert, who'll be able to be more precise of what's going on. To prevent these kind of issues, we'll built a case around it when it's back to Brussels (maybe in the Alpha style, because I like it and it's easy to show/explain people the stack of boards) and fill the BetaBox with anti-static gloves, wrist strap and general explanations/warnings about ESD.
18:27
se6astian
pasting in the email notes he sent
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se6astian
the apertus° IRL bxl resume for a second time, and we have already planned the next ones in march, april. Hopefullyt, we'll have the Beta back in two weeks so we can do something with it. (thx in advance Herbert !)
18:27
se6astian
This meeting was focused on organizing the open kino event, which will be held end of June in Brussels. The concept is to make movies in 48h or 72h only with FLOSS tools, from the camera (AXIOM !) to the editing and so on ! Just before the event, there'll be workshops about the AXIOM and about FLOSS editing software (KDENlive, Cinelerra, Blender-mod, etc..). The workshops will be given by us (for the AXIOM) and some friends from the OSvideo gro
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se6astian
This event will be a good starting point for people to get rid of proprietary tools, and to spread the enthousiasm around open source tools !
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se6astian
Also, if you'd like to participate and come to Brussels for a few days of movie making, Beta improving or even sight seeing, don't bother and send me a mail !
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se6astian
Finally, as soon as the Beta come back, we'll try to make some nice footage for the website, with the April 1st tradition as a deadline. The aim of such footage are really to show good stuff.
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se6astian
note here: no april fools joke planned for this year
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se6astian
just sample footage release
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nikos_
correct
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nikos_
planning to shoot in the ardennes forests
18:29
se6astian
very nice
18:29
se6astian
I have no blender foundation contact other than Ton Rosendaal
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se6astian
Simon, do you?
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simonrepp
not really, my 2 cents is that they're all reaally busy
18:30
se6astian
ok
18:30
simonrepp
depends a bit what their role there should be how to approach them on that
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simonrepp
feel free to ask me details on other channels anyway
18:31
se6astian
that are the official topics on the agenda for today
18:31
simonrepp
i'll gladly suggest the right contact adresses
18:31
se6astian
if anyone wants to add/share anything else
18:31
se6astian
now is the right time
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simonrepp
delighted to hear of all the progress! good job everyone :)
18:33
se6astian
+1 :)
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simonrepp
next meeting!!
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simonrepp
we need to set a date :)
18:34
se6astian
right!
18:34
se6astian
13.3 would be monday in two weeks
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se6astian
19:00 again
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se6astian
any objections?
18:35
simonrepp
i'd suggest 20.3. for more time to accumulate news, but 13.3. is fine with me too
18:35
BAndiT1983
no, is good to check if someone has shown interest for gsoc
18:35
simonrepp
true that!
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RexOrCine
Anything's good for me. Do you have any idea when TT12.3 is scheduled for?
18:35
se6astian
1-2 weeks Id say
18:35
simonrepp
then let's go for in 2 weeks, seems to align well :D
18:36
se6astian
13.3 at 19:00 CET is shall be!
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nikos_
ok
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OscaR
OK
18:36
se6astian
i will write invitation emails now, 4 days before and on the day of the meeting again
18:36
simonrepp
great!
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simonrepp
i'm finishing the minutes in the next 90 minutes and will pass them via mail to you :)
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se6astian
excellent
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se6astian
meeting concluded
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se6astian
thanks everyone for participating
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OscaR
Bye!
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BAndiT1983
Simon, what are you missing to get started, so i know what to prepare asap?
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simonrepp
what i was missing back then (now and near/midterm i won't get to it anymore unfortunately, don't want to raise any false hopes ;)) is just more on what the current state is basically
18:45
BAndiT1983
don't worry, i don't have any hope after 3,5 years that people would write code for OC
18:45
simonrepp
i found a lot of old stuff to go through, where i then discovered it's old - e.g. README on master, which is like the first thing every interested dev reads so it's kinda important to keep it current and informative
18:46
simonrepp
the issues on github as well should be cleaned out completely, just leaving the note that issues are managed in the lab
18:46
simonrepp
i did find the issue that points to the lab, but first i looked through some of the issues and it took time from me unnecessarily
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BAndiT1983
will try to update documentation, but first i have to test the build on clean VM, as new libs were added recently
18:46
intracube
hi, is there any chance that some PLR sample footage could be filmed?
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intracube
it'd be good to see how much it affects movement/motion blur in practice
18:47
simonrepp
don't worry about it, just giving you something to work with, i know every little small thing takes time, just want to help prioritize :)
18:47
intracube
maybe during the Ardennes forest shoot :)
18:48
simonrepp
i saw a lot of activity on the lab (and also commits on gh) but everything felt very technical (along the lines of "implement progress bar loading factory class" or something), so that was very hard to conect to mentally
18:48
simonrepp
it seems to only make sense to whoever develops, but without any insight i would have no idea what's going on or how i could connect to that
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simonrepp
(which might not be easy to remedy, but just mentioning that that's a barrier as well)
18:48
BAndiT1983
as i don't have much feedback, i have to progress in the style i'm doing my regular job
18:50
RexOrCine
Aye but this is why feedback is lost, because people find it hard to connect with what's going on.
18:50
BAndiT1983
people should just send a note when they have questions or other things, so i can respond and adjust the project accordingly
18:52
simonrepp
i'll have to run now, my main point to take way: get rid of outdated stuff on all public facing fronts, and keep some high level info up to date and very visible - where is the project, what is there, maybe even in terms that are not for developers, something to wet the appetite to actually take part, if somneone's hooked up then he can still face the technical details and maybe just stay at it :)
18:53
simonrepp
if you have more questions drop me a line at simon@fdpl.foundation, have to go now :)
18:53
BAndiT1983
alright, thanks for feedback
18:53
simonrepp
gladly given!
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Akki
hi
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se6astian
hey there
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Akki
I want to contribute to this organisation
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Akki
please help me to get started
20:38
d0
Hi Akki
20:38
se6astian
We are happy to guide you
20:38
Akki
I am comfortable with FPGA,c++
20:39
se6astian
perfect
20:39
se6astian
Our main FPGA developer is Bertl_zZ
20:39
se6astian
but he is currently not here
20:39
se6astian
did you have a look at the idea page?
20:39
se6astian
https://lab.apertus.org/project/view/20/
20:39
se6astian
did you find anything in particular interesting?
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Akki
I dont know hot to get started means I read what are the requirements and technologies used
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Akki
Seeing that I found it interesting as I have taken course also in embedded hardware so I am used to FPGA and I do competetive programming also in c++
20:42
niemand
great :)
20:43
Akki
So, I want to know how to get started
20:44
BAndiT1983
hm, Sebastian, i think it's time for documentation ;)
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20:46
BAndiT1983
Akki, if you want to start hardware-related development, you could try to run QEMU with axiom firmware first
20:47
BAndiT1983
if you are interested, then i could look the task up, where i've put the small documentation in
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Akki
yes sure
20:49
se6astian
off for dinner, bbs
20:50
BAndiT1983
which OS do you use?
20:50
Akki
both linux and windows
20:50
Akki
ubuntu
20:50
BAndiT1983
perfect, i've tested it on linuxmint, which is the same
20:51
BAndiT1983
pity that Bertl is ill at the moment
20:51
BAndiT1983
this is the task -> https://lab.apertus.org/T737
20:51
BAndiT1983
look through it and ask if something is not clear, i will look for the address of the image file
20:52
BAndiT1983
this is the second task, where i pasted a corrected version, but forgot to update the main one -> https://lab.apertus.org/T739
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Akki
I will get back to u soon thanks for the support
20:55
BAndiT1983
no problem, take a look at the pm which i've sent you with the file
20:56
RexOrCine
Akki - If I may ask, how did you hear about the project?
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BAndiT1983
some areas should be expanded, just one person per area is not enough
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BAndiT1983
especially when someone got sick or has other things to do
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se6astian
good night
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mithro
You got into GSoC!?
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