01:16 | Bertl | off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
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01:19 | BAndiT1983 | metal_dent[m]: se6ast1an: icon conversion was adjusted by me, also new section for static data introduced and icons will reside there, maybe also fonts and similar should be moved there
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01:21 | BAndiT1983 | reason is simple, because of inheritance the structs were marked as not initilaized, have checked it, but had no solution after several tries, when data is uninitialized then it is stored in the .bss section of the PIC32, but it's not big and i didn't want to mess around with it, especially when i expect the icons to be data blobs and nothing else
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03:32 | metal_dent[m] | Morning!
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03:33 | metal_dent[m] | BAndiT1983: thank you, will check that out :)
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05:18 | Spirit532 | vup, before you design everything for JLCSMT, a word of warning: their service is rather... meh, and they have a REALLY tiny parts collection
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05:19 | Spirit532 | it's an incredibly tiny subset of the lcsc catalog
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05:19 | Spirit532 | if you want cheap assembly with all the parts sourced, go for PCBWay. I've had moderate success with them, and reasonable prices.
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08:33 | se6ast1an | good morning
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08:33 | se6ast1an | thanks BAndiT1983|away!
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08:34 | se6ast1an | Spirit532: interesting, can you tell us more about your experience?
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08:34 | Spirit532 | I made a few boards
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08:34 | Spirit532 | They took care of everything - I emailed them the BOM, they asked some questions, gave me a pretty transparent price list and substituted some sources(genuine parts, cheaper)
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08:35 | Spirit532 | Totally turnkey, which was nice.
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08:47 | se6ast1an | interesting, pcbway is on our list of potential pcb manufacturers
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08:48 | se6ast1an | what did you pay in the end if you dont mind?
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10:35 | Bertl | morning folks!
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10:36 | se6ast1an | good day
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11:11 | vup | Spirit532: yeah I know
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11:12 | vup | The plan is to let jlc handle the passives and then do the ic's ourself
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11:13 | vup | There aren't that many parts left after passives, about 30 I think, so thats manageable
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11:17 | Spirit532 | se6ast1an, there were some tooling charges
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11:17 | Spirit532 | I think around 15-20 usd on top of the order
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11:18 | Spirit532 | and the components came with a slight markup on some
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11:18 | Spirit532 | around 5% I think
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11:18 | Spirit532 | but the boards I made were tiny and demanding, and the total itself was made up mostly of shipping costs still
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11:18 | Spirit532 | so they don't overcharge
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11:20 | vup | Well I got over $70 per board at pcbway and about $10 per board at jlc
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11:24 | Spirit532 | because pcbway is a lot more realistic than jlc
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11:25 | Spirit532 | jlc's assembly is basically free, but it's limited and sometimes low qualitty
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11:27 | vup | I haven't heard anything about low quality, but yes being limited to certain parts is suboptimal, but also what makes it so cheap. And for this board I am ok with populating the ~30 parts jlc doesn't do myself, if I don't have to care about the 500 passives that jlc can do
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11:54 | anuejn | megora: it shouldnt be too hard to either build an axi lite peripheral or use an existing one for that application
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11:56 | anuejn | and then hook it up via a axi lite to axi full bridge to the ps7 block of the zynq
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11:57 | anuejn | you could have a look at the axi lite slaves of Bertl if you are doing vhdl or the one vup and me build if you are doing nmigen
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11:57 | anuejn | but ours is rather... unfinished ;)
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13:27 | se6ast1an | anuejn/vup do you have any screenshot from the layouting or any preview of the Micro R3?
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13:27 | se6ast1an | anything I can share on twitter...
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13:31 | se6ast1an | inspiration: https://twitter.com/FauthNiklas/status/1265017260575465474
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14:48 | vup | se6ast1an: well the layout is currently about this far: https://files.niemo.de/2020-05-26-154739_1920x1080_scrot.png
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14:48 | vup | https://files.niemo.de/2020-05-26-154729_1920x1080_scrot.png
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14:49 | vup | not too interesting yet
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14:49 | se6ast1an | right, well maybe in a day or two :)
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19:15 | se6ast1an | vup/anuejn how do you plan the mechanical side of r3 currently? in particular the lens mount ?
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19:15 | vup | same way as r2 currently
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19:19 | se6ast1an | r2 was a bit difficult to attach to a tripod though
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19:21 | se6ast1an | also do you plan for a UV/IR filter between lens/sensor currently?
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19:24 | anuejn | nope
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19:24 | anuejn | if you have any ideas: they are very welcome
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19:26 | se6ast1an | well I could design one or more parts for you
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19:27 | se6ast1an | but I need more information
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19:27 | se6ast1an | is the image sensor still envisioned to be on a separate pcb?
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19:28 | vup | yes
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19:28 | vup | what information do you need?
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19:29 | se6ast1an | size of sensor pcb, hole diameter, distance from each other
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19:29 | se6ast1an | height of sensor above PCB plane
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19:29 | se6ast1an | and rough dimensions of the other pcb, mostly the distance between pcbs
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19:29 | se6ast1an | and where holes are located there
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19:30 | vup | well well
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19:30 | vup | so the zturn lite dimensions can be found here: http://www.myirtech.com/soft.asp?id=847 and http://www.myirtech.com/soft.asp?id=945
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19:31 | anuejn | height of sensor above pcb plane is variable ;)
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19:31 | anuejn | bc. there might be different sensors
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19:31 | vup | the distance between the zturn lite and the mainboard is 5mm
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19:31 | anuejn | we need some way to account for that
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19:32 | se6ast1an | thanks
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19:33 | se6ast1an | I will think about the variable sensor height, could be an issue
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19:33 | se6ast1an | maybe an adjustable backfocus thread could be a solution
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19:34 | se6ast1an | but that will make the assembly a bit more complicated and requires more parts
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19:36 | se6ast1an | the micro r3 board has the same dimensions as the zturn lite?
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19:37 | se6ast1an | and the same hole pattern?
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19:38 | vup | our plan was more along the lines of using washer to adjust the distance of the lens mount
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19:39 | vup | se6ast1an: probably the same hole pattern, but bigger
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19:39 | vup | the r2 was 91mm x 91mm, r3 will probably be the same
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19:39 | se6ast1an | washers can raise the mount above the sensor indeed but you create a gap for light to enter there then...
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19:40 | se6ast1an | thanks, will use 91x91mm for now
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19:40 | vup | (extending beyond the short side of the zturn lite in equal parts
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19:40 | se6ast1an | and the sensor pcb, where will it be located, and do you know dimensions already roughly?
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19:40 | vup | the washer would have to be a complete circle / rectangle around the optical path
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19:41 | anuejn | maybe also a two part whasher
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19:41 | anuejn | that can be extendet in height
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19:42 | anuejn | or some curtain like assembly
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19:42 | se6ast1an | ah, one large washer, I see, thought one for each screw so 4
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19:42 | Bertl | more a gasket then?
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19:42 | anuejn | ah probably both
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19:42 | anuejn | we had something similiar in the last revision
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19:43 | anuejn | a 3d printed ring around the optical path
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19:43 | anuejn | Bertl: yup
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19:43 | vup | se6ast1an: the distance between the the mainboard and the sensor board is 6mm
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19:43 | anuejn | (see https://github.com/apertus-open-source-cinema/axiom-micro-mechanical)
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19:45 | se6ast1an | noted, thx
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19:45 | vup | the pcb's are all 1.6mm thickness
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19:45 | vup | and we have two connectors from the sensor board to the mainboard, each 20.57mm x 6.4mm
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19:46 | vup | so we have to atleast accomodate those two
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19:46 | vup | the plugins connectors are on the part that extends beyond the zturn lite and go into the direction of the zturn lite
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19:47 | vup | and somewhere we have to fit the shield aswell, probably on the same side as the sensor pcb
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19:48 | vup | but beyond that we have nothing fixed yet, so if you have any ideas, those would be very welcome
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19:49 | anuejn | also the sensor pcb size is something we need to think about
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19:52 | vup | I think for the sensor pcb, to a certain extend, the bigger the better, there are not a lot of advantages to keeping it small
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19:52 | se6ast1an | I think I have the rough setup done: https://cad.onshape.com/documents/119d4253b556f8944095c5ad/w/8cba5fbf62e83d916df2c99f/e/af78801fa9663719e0120078
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19:53 | vup | we also need to think about the mechanical attachment of the sensor pcb
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19:54 | se6ast1an | <vup> I think for the sensor pcb, to a certain extend, the bigger the better, there are not a lot of advantages to keeping it small <- yes if you make it zturnlite sized you can use the holes for <vup> we also need to think about the mechanical attachment of the sensor pcb
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19:54 | anuejn | we also already have a rather high quality 3d model for the z-turn-lite
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19:54 | se6ast1an | ah, nice
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19:54 | se6ast1an | self made or from the manufacturer?
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19:54 | anuejn | self made
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19:55 | anuejn | se6ast1an: maybe it can just be pressed in place?
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19:55 | anuejn | hold by the connectors and some sandwich force
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19:55 | se6ast1an | sure, but the entire weight of lensmount and lens will be on it
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19:56 | se6ast1an | ah found it: https://github.com/apertus-open-source-cinema/axiom-micro-mechanical/blob/master/pcbs/z-turn-lite.fcstd
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19:56 | anuejn | also z-turn-lite sized is impossible because the shield has to go somewhere?
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19:57 | anuejn | se6ast1an: in our current mechanical setup this is not the case?!
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19:58 | se6ast1an | you mean the r2 setup?
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20:00 | se6ast1an | off for a bit
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20:00 | anuejn | yup
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21:41 | se6ast1an | back
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21:42 | Bertl | wb
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21:42 | se6ast1an | in R2 the lens mount was screwed to the mainboard right?
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21:43 | se6ast1an | we can do that as well in R3 with screws going through the sensor board and into the mainboard
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21:44 | se6ast1an | but I wouldnt say its optimal as this puts all the mechanical stress on the pcb then
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21:44 | se6ast1an | a way out would be to make the lens mount also the tripod mount
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21:45 | se6ast1an | like with the emount adapter on the beta
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21:45 | se6ast1an | https://wiki.apertus.org/images/thumb/5/57/Beta_Assembly.jpg/350px-Beta_Assembly.jpg
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21:51 | Bertl | off for now ... have fun!
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22:24 | se6ast1an | where exactly is the / are the shields positioned at the front?
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22:24 | se6ast1an | in the micro r3
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22:31 | vup | se6ast1an: yeah we thought about doing it similar to the the beta
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22:31 | se6ast1an | so left and right?
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22:31 | se6ast1an | and the ethernet on the zturn is pointing upwards?
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22:32 | vup | se6ast1an: re shield: not sure, we have one, anywhere it fits is probably ok
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22:32 | se6ast1an | ok
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22:32 | vup | my first answer was about the lens attachment
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22:32 | se6ast1an | ah
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22:32 | se6ast1an | right
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22:33 | vup | yeah, currently the etheinet on the zturn is pointing upwards
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22:38 | se6ast1an | right
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22:39 | se6ast1an | the c mount to m4/3 adapter metal part, are you happy with that one so far?
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22:47 | se6ast1an | off for today
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22:47 | se6ast1an | will continue tomorrow
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22:48 | se6ast1an | good night
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22:58 | vup | se6ast1an: the c mount to m4/3 works ok'ish, mostly getting to fit tightly to a 3d printed bayonet is a bit difficult, but the part itself is ok
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22:59 | se6ast1an | Noted
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