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2013/11/25

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se6astian
morning
07:47
dmj_nova
morning se6astian
07:47
dmj_nova
meeting in 8 hours?
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Bertl
looks like ... off to bed now ... bbl
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se6astian
dmj_nova, yes meeting in 7 hours now
09:08
dmj_nova
se6astian: okay
09:10
dmj_nova
se6astian: currently working on a concept for the axiom based on troy_s and rexbron's input
09:11
se6astian
nice
09:11
se6astian
something to share already?
09:11
dmj_nova
se6astian: not quite yet
09:11
dmj_nova
got distracted by the doctor who 50th anniversary :P
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10:23
dmj_nova
se6astian: got a very early mockup
10:24
dmj_nova
not pretty, but it's mostly concept at this stage
10:25
sashacohen
dmj_nova: Can we see it now? (I won't be able to make it to the meeting today / tonight)
10:25
dmj_nova
se6astian: sure, I'll post a render real quick
10:28
dmj_nova
se6astian: where the best spot for such pics?
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sashacohen
changed nick to: sasha_c
10:31
dmj_nova
http://www.pasteall.org/pic/63090
10:31
dmj_nova
se6astian: ^^
10:32
dmj_nova
erm, haha meant sasha_c
10:32
sasha_c
dmj_nova: no worries man :D
10:32
dmj_nova
this is just conceptual of course
10:32
sasha_c
Thanks for sharing
10:33
sasha_c
looks 'cute', just like a cat on the shoulder
10:34
dmj_nova
viewfinder placement is just kinda random
10:34
dmj_nova
So at the front, there is the axiom "brain" with the sensor and fpga boards
10:35
dmj_nova
the red module
10:35
sasha_c
I figured that, yeah
10:35
dmj_nova
At the back is the storage module and below it the battery module
10:36
dmj_nova
I chose to mount the battery below to lower the center of gravity
10:37
dmj_nova
since rexbron or troy_s mentioned that keeping the center of gravity as low as possible is desirable in a shoulder mount camera
10:37
sasha_c
I see.
10:38
dmj_nova
The main concept I'm demonstrating here is still using modular axiom components, but building it into a cohesive camera system.
10:39
dmj_nova
From the outside, it shouldn't appear to be separate modules unless someone wants to tinker
10:39
sasha_c
What do you think would happen if the storage and power modules swap positions, with the storage modules being facing backward behind the camera, instead of out to one side (potentially shifting more weight to one side of the rig than the other)
10:40
dmj_nova
It's possible, and I'd like to see some experimentation here
10:40
dmj_nova
The weight shifting would be pretty minimal with the ssds offset though
10:42
dmj_nova
It's not obvious in the photo, but I placed two storage units in there, each with a pair of ssd drives
10:42
sasha_c
Ah yes, I can make out what looks like 3 ssd / hdd's, in two red storage modules
10:43
dmj_nova
for cinema use it's unlikely to be critical, but that would allow for redundant recording/swapping while still recording
10:43
sasha_c
How do we keep the drives fixed firmly in the drive bay / slots?
10:43
dmj_nova
oh, the picture is missing one
10:43
dmj_nova
sasha_c: that's an engineering problem still to solve
10:45
sasha_c
Might it work better if the drive bays are vertical, with each drive inserted from the top? Then gravity will naturally hold them in place alongside whatever kind of system we may decide to use to fix the storage drives firmly in place here
10:45
dmj_nova
that's one option
10:45
dmj_nova
or a rail and pin system
10:46
sasha_c
the simpler the better
10:46
dmj_nova
it should either be vertical, from behind, or from the right side of the camera
10:46
dmj_nova
(that way an assistant can have easy access
10:47
dmj_nova
sasha_c: well, it needs to be fast, and it needs to be robust
10:47
sasha_c
Yep, true
10:47
dmj_nova
there are two situations we can't have:
10:47
dmj_nova
reloading taking more than seconds
10:47
dmj_nova
drives disconnecting accidentally
10:48
dmj_nova
I was once on set when a camera dolly crashed into a wall
10:48
dmj_nova
would suck to lose an otherwise good take due to something like that :P
10:49
sasha_c
Absolutely! I'm not sure how we'll be able to speed up the time it takes to swap drives though? How long does it take your computer to detect a new hdd / ssd / flash drive after you've connected it?
10:49
sasha_c
At least a few seconds?
10:49
dmj_nova
sasha_c: that's a matter of our storage device
10:50
dmj_nova
erm I mean storage controller/software
10:50
dmj_nova
I just mean the physical process needs to be really fast
10:50
sasha_c
Agreed
10:51
dmj_nova
if it takes a second to spin up and mount the drive, well it takes a second
10:51
dmj_nova
If it takes 3 minutes to install a new ssd, well, you're going to be compared with IMAX in a very bad way
10:53
dmj_nova
the green lcd/panel is how the assistant interfaces with the camera
10:54
dmj_nova
in a single person setup, the operator should be able to use the viewfinder and controls in the handle to fulfill the same functions.
10:55
dmj_nova
but in a 2-3 person setup the viewfinder should be a clean feed.
10:55
dmj_nova
the same physical device can easily handle both situations, just a software difference
10:56
sasha_c
Again, I'm in total agreement with you here
10:57
sasha_c
Taking a step back for just a moment... I think it's a great idea to be thinking about a case system for mounting all of the axiom components, which is what we're doing. But I also love the idea of being able to connect the components together like in this image: https://www.apertus.org/sites/default/files/axiom-modules-06.jpg. Do you foresee problems with connecting the parts together like this?
10:58
dmj_nova
sasha_c: technically speaking? No.
10:58
dmj_nova
in terms of user acceptance, maybe
10:58
dmj_nova
of course this case design doesn't actually change that
10:59
dmj_nova
(well, aside from remounting the battery lower, and putting a gap between sets of modules
11:00
sasha_c
Yeah, I see that. I think it's important to design the case so that it may accommodate extra modules, some of which could also be custom designed. This is where it gets tricky
11:01
dmj_nova
You could have access panels, and allow the stack to be unscrewed and extracted from the casing
11:02
dmj_nova
sasha_c: The other consideration is that these custom modules (if they come after the shoulder mount) may take into account the casing itself
11:03
sasha_c
yes, true
11:03
dmj_nova
so we need to provide standard places where modules are allowed to have buttons/display/io ports
11:04
dmj_nova
above all, the base shoulder system should contain everything needed to be productive in the field
11:04
dmj_nova
should just be a pleasure to use
11:06
sasha_c
You'll probably think this is crazy, but I just had this idea about building a prototype case out of meccano.
11:06
sasha_c
Look at what's possible to build with this stuff: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Meccano_locomotive.jpg
11:06
dmj_nova
Axiom will only be a benefit for professional filmmakers if it's actually top notch in a production environment
11:07
dmj_nova
cool
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sasha_c
I'm in total agreement with you here
11:07
dmj_nova
sasha_c: do it!
11:07
dmj_nova
of course that's a huge challenge, but it's where our heads need to be at
11:07
sasha_c
yeah
11:08
dmj_nova
(of course I still do want that tiny little brain module so moco rigs can be smaller and cheaper
11:08
sasha_c
exactly
11:08
dmj_nova
I'll bet you could make a realtime moco rig for a lot less if it only had to support like a couple kilograms
11:23
sasha_c
Look at this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/14463685@N07/2762942960/
11:34
dmj_nova
hmm, that's kinda cool
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FergusL
hELLO
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sasha_c
hi FergusL
14:07
sasha_c
Hey, is the meeting going to begin in 2 hours?
14:07
PhilippeJ
sasha_c : yes
14:08
sasha_c
Thanks PhilippeJ. It's 1am where I'm at. I'll try staying around for the meeting but I think I'll have to get some sleep soon
14:08
PhilippeJ
Understandable
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PhilippeJ
very unfortunate all those time zone glitches :-(
14:09
sasha_c
indeed
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se6astian
oscar just canceled, how unfortunate
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sasha_c
:(
14:19
Bertl
morning everyone!
14:20
sasha_c
morning Bertl
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se6astian
hello!
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PhilippeJ
heya
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dmj_nova
morning all
15:54
se6astian
hello
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se6astian
meeting in 5 minutes
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se6astian
please join the internal channel #apertus-int
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aombk
has the meeting been canceled?
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se6astian
nope, its underway
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rexbron
Comment re dmj_nova on reloading. Reloading doesn't need to be quick! In dramatic shooting, a lot of things need to happen when a camera reloads across many departments, not just camera. I wish the bmcc loaded ssd from the left not the right so the BNC and audio connectors wouldn't poke me in the face when I operate handheld
16:57
rexbron
they copied that off of DSLRs unfortunately
16:57
rexbron
almost all cinema cameras load media from the left side or from the back
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rexbron
because you never reload while the camera is on the shoulder, just doesn't happen
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rexbron
Look at the alexa, Red one or epic, Sony F65 F55 or F5. None of them load media from the right because it forces connectors onto the camera left side
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dmj_nova
rexbron: interesting
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dmj_nova
funny thing is that the design as is wouldn't have connectors on the left
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dmj_nova
(well, that lcd panel might cause problems
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se6astian
rexbron, do you want to join the team meeting?
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rexbron
se6astian: sure, I might not have much to contriubte but I'd love to listen
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se6astian
invited
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ApertusWeb8
Hey there!
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se6astian
tobias?
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ApertusWeb8
Toby here, havent figured out IRC properly yet :D
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se6astian
type /nick Tobias to change your nick
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ApertusWeb8
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Toby-Deml
thx!
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Toby-Deml
sorry for being so late guys..!
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se6astian
invitation sent
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rexbron
se6astian: where is the meeting taking place?
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se6astian
#apertus-int
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se6astian
I sent you an invitation
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se6astian
should I send another one?
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guesst
can anybody join?
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se6astian
its invite only
18:12
se6astian
who are you? :)
18:13
guesst
so open as android :)
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Bertl
no, it's more like the masonic lodge :)
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FergusL
well answered
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Bertl
off for a nap ... bbl
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se6astian
time for bed
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se6astian
good night
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Bertl
back ...
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