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06:38 | se6astian | morning
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06:47 | dmj_nova | morning se6astian
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06:47 | dmj_nova | meeting in 8 hours?
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07:10 | Bertl | looks like ... off to bed now ... bbl
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08:08 | se6astian | dmj_nova, yes meeting in 7 hours now
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08:08 | dmj_nova | se6astian: okay
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08:10 | dmj_nova | se6astian: currently working on a concept for the axiom based on troy_s and rexbron's input
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08:11 | se6astian | nice
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08:11 | se6astian | something to share already?
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08:11 | dmj_nova | se6astian: not quite yet
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08:11 | dmj_nova | got distracted by the doctor who 50th anniversary :P
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09:23 | dmj_nova | se6astian: got a very early mockup
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09:24 | dmj_nova | not pretty, but it's mostly concept at this stage
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09:25 | sashacohen | dmj_nova: Can we see it now? (I won't be able to make it to the meeting today / tonight)
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09:25 | dmj_nova | se6astian: sure, I'll post a render real quick
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09:28 | dmj_nova | se6astian: where the best spot for such pics?
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09:31 | dmj_nova | http://www.pasteall.org/pic/63090
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09:31 | dmj_nova | se6astian: ^^
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09:32 | dmj_nova | erm, haha meant sasha_c
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09:32 | sasha_c | dmj_nova: no worries man :D
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09:32 | dmj_nova | this is just conceptual of course
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09:32 | sasha_c | Thanks for sharing
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09:33 | sasha_c | looks 'cute', just like a cat on the shoulder
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09:34 | dmj_nova | viewfinder placement is just kinda random
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09:34 | dmj_nova | So at the front, there is the axiom "brain" with the sensor and fpga boards
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09:35 | dmj_nova | the red module
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09:35 | sasha_c | I figured that, yeah
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09:35 | dmj_nova | At the back is the storage module and below it the battery module
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09:36 | dmj_nova | I chose to mount the battery below to lower the center of gravity
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09:37 | dmj_nova | since rexbron or troy_s mentioned that keeping the center of gravity as low as possible is desirable in a shoulder mount camera
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09:37 | sasha_c | I see.
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09:38 | dmj_nova | The main concept I'm demonstrating here is still using modular axiom components, but building it into a cohesive camera system.
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09:39 | dmj_nova | From the outside, it shouldn't appear to be separate modules unless someone wants to tinker
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09:39 | sasha_c | What do you think would happen if the storage and power modules swap positions, with the storage modules being facing backward behind the camera, instead of out to one side (potentially shifting more weight to one side of the rig than the other)
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09:40 | dmj_nova | It's possible, and I'd like to see some experimentation here
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09:40 | dmj_nova | The weight shifting would be pretty minimal with the ssds offset though
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09:42 | dmj_nova | It's not obvious in the photo, but I placed two storage units in there, each with a pair of ssd drives
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09:42 | sasha_c | Ah yes, I can make out what looks like 3 ssd / hdd's, in two red storage modules
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09:43 | dmj_nova | for cinema use it's unlikely to be critical, but that would allow for redundant recording/swapping while still recording
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09:43 | sasha_c | How do we keep the drives fixed firmly in the drive bay / slots?
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09:43 | dmj_nova | oh, the picture is missing one
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09:43 | dmj_nova | sasha_c: that's an engineering problem still to solve
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09:45 | sasha_c | Might it work better if the drive bays are vertical, with each drive inserted from the top? Then gravity will naturally hold them in place alongside whatever kind of system we may decide to use to fix the storage drives firmly in place here
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09:45 | dmj_nova | that's one option
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09:45 | dmj_nova | or a rail and pin system
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09:46 | sasha_c | the simpler the better
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09:46 | dmj_nova | it should either be vertical, from behind, or from the right side of the camera
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09:46 | dmj_nova | (that way an assistant can have easy access
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09:47 | dmj_nova | sasha_c: well, it needs to be fast, and it needs to be robust
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09:47 | sasha_c | Yep, true
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09:47 | dmj_nova | there are two situations we can't have:
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09:47 | dmj_nova | reloading taking more than seconds
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09:47 | dmj_nova | drives disconnecting accidentally
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09:48 | dmj_nova | I was once on set when a camera dolly crashed into a wall
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09:48 | dmj_nova | would suck to lose an otherwise good take due to something like that :P
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09:49 | sasha_c | Absolutely! I'm not sure how we'll be able to speed up the time it takes to swap drives though? How long does it take your computer to detect a new hdd / ssd / flash drive after you've connected it?
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09:49 | sasha_c | At least a few seconds?
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09:49 | dmj_nova | sasha_c: that's a matter of our storage device
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09:50 | dmj_nova | erm I mean storage controller/software
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09:50 | dmj_nova | I just mean the physical process needs to be really fast
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09:50 | sasha_c | Agreed
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09:51 | dmj_nova | if it takes a second to spin up and mount the drive, well it takes a second
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09:51 | dmj_nova | If it takes 3 minutes to install a new ssd, well, you're going to be compared with IMAX in a very bad way
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09:53 | dmj_nova | the green lcd/panel is how the assistant interfaces with the camera
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09:54 | dmj_nova | in a single person setup, the operator should be able to use the viewfinder and controls in the handle to fulfill the same functions.
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09:55 | dmj_nova | but in a 2-3 person setup the viewfinder should be a clean feed.
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09:55 | dmj_nova | the same physical device can easily handle both situations, just a software difference
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09:56 | sasha_c | Again, I'm in total agreement with you here
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09:57 | sasha_c | Taking a step back for just a moment... I think it's a great idea to be thinking about a case system for mounting all of the axiom components, which is what we're doing. But I also love the idea of being able to connect the components together like in this image: https://www.apertus.org/sites/default/files/axiom-modules-06.jpg. Do you foresee problems with connecting the parts together like this?
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09:58 | dmj_nova | sasha_c: technically speaking? No.
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09:58 | dmj_nova | in terms of user acceptance, maybe
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09:58 | dmj_nova | of course this case design doesn't actually change that
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09:59 | dmj_nova | (well, aside from remounting the battery lower, and putting a gap between sets of modules
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10:00 | sasha_c | Yeah, I see that. I think it's important to design the case so that it may accommodate extra modules, some of which could also be custom designed. This is where it gets tricky
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10:01 | dmj_nova | You could have access panels, and allow the stack to be unscrewed and extracted from the casing
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10:02 | dmj_nova | sasha_c: The other consideration is that these custom modules (if they come after the shoulder mount) may take into account the casing itself
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10:03 | sasha_c | yes, true
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10:03 | dmj_nova | so we need to provide standard places where modules are allowed to have buttons/display/io ports
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10:04 | dmj_nova | above all, the base shoulder system should contain everything needed to be productive in the field
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10:04 | dmj_nova | should just be a pleasure to use
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10:06 | sasha_c | You'll probably think this is crazy, but I just had this idea about building a prototype case out of meccano.
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10:06 | sasha_c | Look at what's possible to build with this stuff: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Meccano_locomotive.jpg
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10:06 | dmj_nova | Axiom will only be a benefit for professional filmmakers if it's actually top notch in a production environment
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10:07 | dmj_nova | cool
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10:07 | sasha_c | I'm in total agreement with you here
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10:07 | dmj_nova | sasha_c: do it!
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10:07 | dmj_nova | of course that's a huge challenge, but it's where our heads need to be at
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10:07 | sasha_c | yeah
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10:08 | dmj_nova | (of course I still do want that tiny little brain module so moco rigs can be smaller and cheaper
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10:08 | sasha_c | exactly
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10:08 | dmj_nova | I'll bet you could make a realtime moco rig for a lot less if it only had to support like a couple kilograms
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10:23 | sasha_c | Look at this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/14463685@N07/2762942960/
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10:34 | dmj_nova | hmm, that's kinda cool
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12:20 | FergusL | hELLO
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12:21 | sasha_c | hi FergusL
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13:07 | sasha_c | Hey, is the meeting going to begin in 2 hours?
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13:07 | PhilippeJ | sasha_c : yes
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13:08 | sasha_c | Thanks PhilippeJ. It's 1am where I'm at. I'll try staying around for the meeting but I think I'll have to get some sleep soon
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13:08 | PhilippeJ | Understandable
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13:09 | PhilippeJ | very unfortunate all those time zone glitches :-(
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13:09 | sasha_c | indeed
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13:12 | se6astian | oscar just canceled, how unfortunate
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13:12 | sasha_c | :(
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13:19 | Bertl | morning everyone!
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13:20 | sasha_c | morning Bertl
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13:20 | se6astian | hello!
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13:28 | PhilippeJ | heya
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14:53 | dmj_nova | morning all
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14:54 | se6astian | hello
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14:54 | se6astian | meeting in 5 minutes
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14:59 | se6astian | please join the internal channel #apertus-int
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15:35 | aombk | has the meeting been canceled?
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15:38 | se6astian | nope, its underway
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15:57 | rexbron | Comment re dmj_nova on reloading. Reloading doesn't need to be quick! In dramatic shooting, a lot of things need to happen when a camera reloads across many departments, not just camera. I wish the bmcc loaded ssd from the left not the right so the BNC and audio connectors wouldn't poke me in the face when I operate handheld
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15:57 | rexbron | they copied that off of DSLRs unfortunately
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15:57 | rexbron | almost all cinema cameras load media from the left side or from the back
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15:57 | rexbron | because you never reload while the camera is on the shoulder, just doesn't happen
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15:58 | rexbron | Look at the alexa, Red one or epic, Sony F65 F55 or F5. None of them load media from the right because it forces connectors onto the camera left side
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16:10 | dmj_nova | rexbron: interesting
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16:11 | dmj_nova | funny thing is that the design as is wouldn't have connectors on the left
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16:11 | dmj_nova | (well, that lcd panel might cause problems
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16:13 | se6astian | rexbron, do you want to join the team meeting?
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16:18 | rexbron | se6astian: sure, I might not have much to contriubte but I'd love to listen
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16:18 | se6astian | invited
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16:36 | ApertusWeb8 | Hey there!
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16:36 | se6astian | tobias?
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16:36 | ApertusWeb8 | Toby here, havent figured out IRC properly yet :D
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16:36 | se6astian | type /nick Tobias to change your nick
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16:37 | Toby-Deml | thx!
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16:38 | Toby-Deml | sorry for being so late guys..!
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16:39 | se6astian | invitation sent
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16:52 | rexbron | se6astian: where is the meeting taking place?
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16:54 | se6astian | #apertus-int
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16:55 | se6astian | I sent you an invitation
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16:55 | se6astian | should I send another one?
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17:11 | guesst | can anybody join?
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17:12 | se6astian | its invite only
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17:12 | se6astian | who are you? :)
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17:13 | guesst | so open as android :)
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17:14 | Bertl | no, it's more like the masonic lodge :)
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18:49 | FergusL | well answered
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21:29 | se6astian | good night
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