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13:39 | Bertl | the PMOD Debug PCB arrived today!
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13:39 | Bertl | (I didn't expect them to arrive so soon :)
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13:48 | dmj_nova | morning
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13:57 | Bertl | http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Stuff/AXIOM/pmod_debug_pcb.jpg
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13:57 | Bertl | IMHO they look great!
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14:00 | dmj_nova | Bertl: sweet!
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14:00 | dmj_nova | my article on the Novacut blog is getting lots of attention
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14:02 | Bertl | url?
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14:04 | dmj_nova | http://blog.novacut.com/2013/07/what-ubuntu-edge-is-really-about.html
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14:05 | Bertl | ah, and I thought about axiom :)
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14:06 | dmj_nova | sorry, a different time!
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14:06 | Bertl | while I agree that something like the edge is a really cool thing (especially after being annoied by smart phones all the time)
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14:07 | Bertl | I'm not sure that I really want ubuntu on a phone :) and more important, I know what restrictions come from using most of the wireless technologies (from the hardware manufacturers)
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14:07 | Bertl | so I do expect something like the edge to contain lots and lots of proprietary firmware blobs to make it even remotely useful
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14:08 | Bertl | I've seen this on the OLPC platform, which was quite militant about open source and open hardware
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14:09 | dmj_nova | Yeah, I expect binary blob hardware drivers
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14:10 | dmj_nova | though I'd rather have binary blobs than no device or wait 10 years for open hardware to take over mobile GPUs
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14:10 | dmj_nova | So as long as the binary blobs can be utilized with other linuxes, whatever
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14:11 | Bertl | true, but the binary blobs are somewhat similar to the 'freeware' programs
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14:11 | dmj_nova | I use nvidia binary blobs when I technically have the option to use the nouveau drivers on my desktop
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14:11 | Bertl | you get them 'for free' but you don't get any support and you don't know what they are actually doing, so if something goes wrong, you're screwed
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14:12 | dmj_nova | Bertl: Of course if there were another feasible way, I'd love nothing more than to ditch the blobs
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14:12 | dmj_nova | they're nasty and horrible
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14:12 | Bertl | I switched from the ATI/AMD proprietary drivers to the opensource after they locked my desktop every second day, and never had a problem since
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14:13 | dmj_nova | No nvidia blob means no cycles GPU rendering in blender for me
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14:14 | dmj_nova | it works, and there's not a better option for said use case right now
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14:14 | Bertl | the sad thing is, that companies like canonical could make a difference there, i.e. force the hardware suppliers to open up their stuff (at least some more :) but I doubt that mark will do anything in this regard
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14:14 | dmj_nova | Canonical might be able to do something, but I'm not sure
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14:15 | dmj_nova | That said, drivers aside, it'll be the most open smartphone out there
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14:15 | Bertl | yeah at least they could try, let's see, maybe they even do
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14:15 | dmj_nova | And I include my n900 on that list
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14:15 | Bertl | sure, agreed
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14:16 | dmj_nova | And a real desktop linux distro of Ubuntu's caliber on a smartphone is very appealing to me
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14:18 | dmj_nova | So my focus is more on pushing for as much openness as I can, rather than sticking my nose up at a good thing because it's only 90% of what I want
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14:18 | Bertl | well, yes and no, first, ubuntu IMHO is bloated (as almost all distros nowadays), so it will not be very performant and quite powerhungry
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14:18 | dmj_nova | there's been quite a lot of optimization on that in the last year
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14:19 | Bertl | take for example the raspberry pi, which is really nice especially as it doesn't feature a complete desktop (by default)
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14:19 | dmj_nova | it's never going to be the most minimal distro possible
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14:19 | dmj_nova | but it can run fairly decently on tegra3 class hardware
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14:19 | Bertl | sure, the other thing is, linux is not really suited for tablets or smartphones (yet)
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14:19 | Bertl | this might actually improve with edge
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14:21 | dmj_nova | You mean in internals or in interface?
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14:21 | Bertl | mostly the gui
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14:21 | dmj_nova | Bertl: Have you seen their touch interface?
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14:21 | Bertl | not in action
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14:22 | dmj_nova | I tried it on a tablet back in February
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14:22 | dmj_nova | Really liked it a lot
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14:22 | dmj_nova | the basic interface was very slick and easy to use
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14:22 | dmj_nova | of course not all applications or features were functional yet
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14:22 | dmj_nova | but what was there was good
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14:26 | dmj_nova | plus I've been using a debian-based Linux smartphone since 2009
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14:26 | dmj_nova | you are right that desktop GUIs are horrible on a smartphone though
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14:27 | dmj_nova | I've got a LXDE debian chroot inside of Maemo on my n900
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14:30 | dmj_nova | anyway, guess I'm just saying that I like the idea of an Ubuntu phone with a touch-friendly GUI and a full desktop mode
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14:31 | dmj_nova | The article was mainly about the whole "Why doesn't Mark just fund the phone himself and sell it later?" complaint, which misses perhaps the biggest reason for the campaign
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14:44 | Bertl | yeah, got that ...
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15:05 | dmj_nova | hehe, probably did some non-humorous equivalent of explaining the joke there
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16:18 | Bertl | dmj_nova: does your zedboard have a heat sink on the FPGA?
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16:18 | dmj_nova | Bertl: yes
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16:18 | Bertl | hmm, thought so ... could you try some code for me?
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16:19 | dmj_nova | Incidentally I just wrote a binary reflected graycode to regular binary converter
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16:19 | Bertl | (not right now, but in the near future :)
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16:19 | dmj_nova | you don't have one?
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16:19 | dmj_nova | a heatsink I mean
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16:19 | Bertl | yes, I have one too
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16:19 | Bertl | http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Stuff/XILINX/dna_port/
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16:20 | Bertl | each zynq is supposed to have a unique DNA (which can be read via jtag and from inside the PL fabric)
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16:20 | Bertl | the example I did is supposed to scroll that DNA through the LEDs
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16:20 | Bertl | (starting with a 10101010 test pattern)
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16:21 | Bertl | now on my board, this only produces zeroes (dark leds)
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16:21 | Bertl | but in the xilinx forum, the admin suggested to check the errata for my specific chip version, as there might be some chips where the DNA wasn't programmed
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16:22 | Bertl | the problem is, I have no idea how to get the specific CE/CES version of the chip without removing the heat sink (which I'd rather avoid :)
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16:23 | dmj_nova | ah
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16:23 | Bertl | so, please give it a try, and if it shows something, I settle that as 'not programmed'
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16:27 | dmj_nova | Bertl: so this is nothing to do with needing good cooling to run the code :P
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16:27 | Bertl | nah, not at all :)
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