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| 07:04 | se6astian | good morning
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| 07:08 | Bertl_oO | morning se6astian!
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| 07:21 | se6astian | good morning
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| 07:21 | se6astian | campaign closed
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| 07:21 | se6astian | last contribution came in one minute after I removed the perk :)
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| 07:57 | Bertl_oO | fascinating :)
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| 08:04 | PhilCee | Good morning folks.. just read the 10 pages discussion in the ML forum. As an axiom observer/follower and supporter i appreciate the ml support a lot - nice to read that geggo, alex and the rest are as confident as i that the axiom might be hell of a struggle but worth any effort to set up a free cine system.. Thats how i decided to jump in and leave the 5dmkIII in my dealers window for another while (main camera right now: jvc gy-hd
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| 08:04 | PhilCee | *get one one day - but until then, i'll shoot freeith axiom ;
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| 14:19 | se6astian | bbl
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| 17:41 | se6astian | good evening
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| 17:43 | Bertl_oO | evening se6astian!
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| 19:22 | daFred | se6astian: i found the 3D printer we are lookong for: http://www.atum3d.com
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| 19:22 | daFred | I'm shure this is the right one...
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| 19:23 | daFred | http://www.instructables.com/id/Atum3D-V1-3D-DLP-printer-kit-assembly-and-calibrat/all/?lang=de
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| 19:23 | daFred | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKjNapdL6Is&index=2&list=UUKbkA-EfSMz4Dtw1opl4Tcw
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| 19:28 | bcallebaut|2 | THe 3D printer looks nice
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| 19:29 | bcallebaut|2 | What will it be used for ?
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| 19:29 | daFred | for prototyping
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| 19:30 | bcallebaut|2 | Prototyping the Axiom Body ?
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| 19:31 | daFred | all 3d parts, dictator (Governator) too
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| 19:31 | daFred | the company is located in the netherlands...
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| 19:33 | bcallebaut|2 | My uncle has a FDM 3D printer like the maker bot.
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| 19:33 | bcallebaut|2 | I did some test with it and I was disapointed.
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| 19:34 | bcallebaut|2 | I read that the DLP based 3D printer are better
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| 19:34 | bcallebaut|2 | for good prototyping of mechanical parts I use a CNC
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| 19:35 | daFred | CNC will be the next step
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| 19:37 | bcallebaut|2 | if needed I own a semi professionnal CNC and my uncle has a 500mm square professional one
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| 20:13 | se6astian | daFred: very nice!
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| 20:14 | se6astian | in summary, why is it better than the other DLP based ones?
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| 20:14 | se6astian | I have a hard time seeing the differences
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| 20:14 | bcallebaut|2 | If me (or somebody else) wants to use it it is OK as long as we pay for the materials (steel/ALU)
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| 20:14 | daFred | I updated the wiki...
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| 20:15 | daFred | in short: b9 has no FullHD beamer
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| 20:15 | bcallebaut|2 | THe FDM works with a filament and you are limited by the size of the filament
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| 20:17 | bcallebaut|2 | moreover ,the previously deposited layer gets cold, so doesn't attach very well, retracts... and the slicer programs are buggy.
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| 20:17 | bcallebaut|2 | I cannot make the part I want with the current slicer programs.
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| 20:18 | bcallebaut|2 | Oups I don't ranswer to sebastian's question
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| 20:19 | daFred | mUVe3D is improving its Z axis at the moment, the original has nylon rolls
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| 20:20 | daFred | and the PLA printed parts are not very durable, they want to replace it by metal parts in the future
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| 20:21 | daFred | the new Z-axis will be a linear guide like in the atum V1
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| 20:21 | bcallebaut|2 | With small parts, the result is pretty bad and it retracts when it gets colder
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| 20:37 | daFred | se6astian: just got the lead time from Atum: approximately 6 weeks
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| 20:42 | Bertl | daFred: can't find anything about the interface/software, do you have some insight there?
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| 20:43 | daFred | 3D Printing software Creation Workshop from envisionlabs.net
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| 20:44 | Bertl | looks like a windows only software, no?
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| 20:44 | daFred | firmware is a derivate form reprap RAMPS, i think Marlin...
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| 20:44 | bcallebaut|2 | looks like there is a software "Creation Workshop" that come with it
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| 20:44 | bcallebaut|2 | use STL files
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| 20:44 | Bertl | ah, no, Windows, Mac and Linux they say
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| 20:46 | Bertl | but the download has only Windows files
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| 20:47 | daFred | I've not checked yet..
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| 20:56 | daFred | https://github.com/Pacmanfan/UVDLPSlicerController "This is the 3dDLPUVController project, also known as CreationWorkshop"
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| 20:59 | Bertl | as long as they do not use undocumented or proprietary gcode (or whatever the interface understands) it should be fine
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| 20:59 | Bertl | nevertheless we should verify that it works on Linux
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| 21:00 | daFred | http://www.buildyourownsla.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=97
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| 21:08 | bcallebaut|2 | See you
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| 21:20 | se6astian | 6 weeks is pretty long, even for the self assembly kit?
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| 21:24 | daFred | yes but unfortunately I think it is the best choice
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| 21:32 | daFred | from the buildyourownsla forum: "It's just a standard serial gcode controller"
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| 21:33 | Bertl | se6astian: yes, agreed, but I haven't even got a reply from the b9creator folks for example
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| 21:34 | Bertl | so the question is, if realiable 6 weeks wouldn't be better than unknown delays from other manufaturers, if the printer is really better
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| 21:35 | daFred | + shipping from USA...
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| 21:36 | Bertl | ah, hmm, how do they ship and what does the shipping cost?
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| 21:36 | daFred | ???
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| 21:39 | Bertl | was the + shipping in reference to the b9 or the atum?
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| 21:40 | daFred | b9, atum is in the netherlands. this should not be that big problem...
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| 21:41 | Bertl | ah, got it
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| 22:18 | wescotte | Wow, congrats on breaking 200k guys! How many cameras do you have to make now?
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| 22:19 | Bertl | quite a bunch :)
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| 22:19 | Bertl | and thanks!
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| 22:19 | wescotte | like 4? :)
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| 22:19 | Bertl | yeah, at least 4 :)
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| 22:22 | wescotte | Wow, 50+ cameras for the extra week deal. Didn't think it was that many
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| 22:23 | Bertl | I think we could have gone on forever literally :)
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| 22:23 | Bertl | but it is good that we are finsihed now with the campaign and can focus on building the camera
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| 22:24 | wescotte | You can still donate on Indiegogo right? No rewards but it'll still accept them?
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| 22:24 | Bertl | yes, I think so
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| 22:25 | wescotte | Although probably better to use your direct donation links and save 10% processing fees
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| 22:25 | Bertl | yup
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| 22:31 | wescotte | Do guys have an idea of specific accelerometer will be used on the beta?
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| 22:31 | Bertl | not yet, but we have a list of potential candidates
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| 22:31 | Bertl | are you specifically interested in the IMU?
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| 22:34 | Bertl | wb Rebotnix_Gary!
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| 22:34 | Rebotnix_Gary | hi bertl
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| 22:34 | Rebotnix_Gary | good evening :)
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| 22:34 | wescotte | I've seen a paper awhile back about removing motion blur from photos and it might be interesting to try an implement the algorithm. I was going to attempt to do it with a Wii remote + camera but never really found the time and syncing it would have been painful
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| 22:35 | wescotte | Syncing it with the beta would probably be much easier :)
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| 22:35 | Rebotnix_Gary | what is the main architecture (CPU) of apertus? is it arm or mips?
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| 22:36 | Bertl | wescotte: if you like I can give you the list, it would be nice to put it on the wiki and add some pro/cons as well as feature comparisons/technical info
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| 22:36 | Bertl | Rebotnix_Gary: at the moment arm
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| 22:36 | Bertl | and mips :)
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| 22:36 | Rebotnix_Gary | ARM would be really nice..i like this platform a lot
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| 22:36 | Rebotnix_Gary | is it a cortex a15?
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| 22:37 | Rebotnix_Gary | or other?
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| 22:37 | Rebotnix_Gary | and do we developers have maybe some free room for image processing?
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| 22:37 | Rebotnix_Gary | like new compression codecs?
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| 22:37 | Bertl | i.e. the main FPGA (Zynq) has two arm (Cortex A9) cores, and the GPIO processor (PIC32) is basically a mips
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| 22:37 | Rebotnix_Gary | i see
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| 22:37 | Rebotnix_Gary | i´m thinking for implementing HEVC
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| 22:38 | Rebotnix_Gary | maybe for picture snapshot or thumbs
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| 22:38 | Bertl | 'you developers' have all the space you like, you can remove the entire system and replace it with your own :)
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| 22:38 | wescotte | Bertl: Sure, I'd take a look but I honestly don't know much (anything really) about accelerometers. Just thought it might be something that could be used to perform something like this ---> http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2011/10/adobe-demos-amazing-deblurring-tech-new-video.html
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| 22:38 | Rebotnix_Gary | i made a demo page where you can see that hevc can beat JPG
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| 22:38 | Rebotnix_Gary | http://hevcp.com
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| 22:38 | Rebotnix_Gary | please visit it with firefox or chrome
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| 22:38 | Rebotnix_Gary | i do not have tested it yet on IE
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| 22:39 | Rebotnix_Gary | this version is a c to javascript version, so decoding is quite slow :) the c encoder and decoder lib is much faster
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| 22:39 | Rebotnix_Gary | but as i said, i would like to build the wireless addon
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| 22:39 | Bertl | who uses IE anyways :)
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| 22:39 | Rebotnix_Gary | hehe , right :)
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| 22:39 | Rebotnix_Gary | i don't have a system with iE
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| 22:40 | Bertl | me neither
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| 22:40 | Rebotnix_Gary | but i know that there are some users you uses IE
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| 22:40 | Rebotnix_Gary | what you guys think about an wireless viewfinder?
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| 22:40 | Rebotnix_Gary | does it makes sense?
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| 22:40 | wescotte | Also, I think you could potentially calculate Z depth by comparing a blurred image and an unblurred image.
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| 22:41 | Rebotnix_Gary | wescotte, i remember that there were some virtual dub sources for de-bluring
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| 22:41 | Rebotnix_Gary | filters..but i do not know if they have the same quality as the adobe one
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| 22:41 | Bertl | wescotte: http://pastebin.com/fZWSCRzA
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| 22:42 | Bertl | not all of them do everything, I also think we want two units on the Beta to capture movement and rotation properly
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| 22:43 | Bertl | maybe one in the center axis, and one on the far diagonal end or so
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| 22:45 | Rebotnix_Gary | bertl, so the imu is a internal part of the camera?
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| 22:45 | Rebotnix_Gary | so we can record x,y,z axis?
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| 22:45 | Bertl | yes, that's the idea
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| 22:45 | Rebotnix_Gary | hehe.that´s really nice
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| 22:46 | Rebotnix_Gary | can we embedded the positions in the SDI feed as meta-data?
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| 22:46 | Bertl | probably
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| 22:46 | Rebotnix_Gary | hmmm
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| 22:46 | Rebotnix_Gary | i think a timecode would be nice
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| 22:46 | Rebotnix_Gary | i experiment with some cuda stuff on a titan GPU for stabilisations
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| 22:46 | Rebotnix_Gary | but..an IMU inside the cam is a really nice idea...
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| 22:47 | Rebotnix_Gary | i saw some prototypes on a iOS lib
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| 22:47 | Bertl | wb wescotte! see irc log if you missed my paste :)
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| 22:47 | Rebotnix_Gary | code in math lab
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| 22:47 | Rebotnix_Gary | what about bluetooth?
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| 22:47 | Rebotnix_Gary | is there a bluetooth 2.0 or 4.0 interface?
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| 22:48 | Bertl | can be done as addon via USB for example
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| 22:48 | Rebotnix_Gary | or can we add our own with an rx / tx interface?
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| 22:48 | wescotte | Bertl: got it thanks
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| 22:48 | Bertl | there is no on-board bluetooth planned at the moment, but yes, you can use some GPIO pins of the PIC for rx/tx interfaces
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| 22:49 | Rebotnix_Gary | nice...we have an MFI bluetooth for IOS lib
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| 22:49 | Rebotnix_Gary | http://rebotnix.com/gimbalcontrol/
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| 22:49 | Rebotnix_Gary | so..i do not know if you like iOS
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| 22:49 | Rebotnix_Gary | i like them a lot..so when we have rx and tx we can control the cam over iOS
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| 22:49 | Rebotnix_Gary | MFI is the crab that apple wants for serial BT communication, long story
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| 22:49 | wescotte | What sort of stuff are you guys looking to accomplish with the IMUs besides stabilization?
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| 22:50 | Rebotnix_Gary | wescotte...wait i search an example video
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| 22:50 | Bertl | wescotte: nothing in particular, it is mainly for experimentation
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| 22:51 | wescotte | Most cameras use hardware in the optics to do stabilization right? They're not using IMUs?
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| 22:52 | Rebotnix_Gary | yes..right
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| 22:52 | Rebotnix_Gary | http://graphics.stanford.edu/papers/stabilization/overview.mp4
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| 22:52 | Rebotnix_Gary | most of the consumer camcorders, not prof. film cameras uses optics stabilisations
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| 22:52 | Rebotnix_Gary | with an axis record, we can stabil. a lot better
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| 22:53 | Rebotnix_Gary | even when we track time with an synced timecode
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| 22:53 | Rebotnix_Gary | sorry, even when we track the three axis with an synced timecode
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| 22:54 | Rebotnix_Gary | i experiment with some dummy data that i record from a gimbal from freely, called the mövi m5
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| 22:54 | Rebotnix_Gary | when the imu has a high resolution and is fast enough, then its a great tool
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| 22:58 | wescotte | What sort of sample rate do you need for decent results?
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| 23:01 | Rebotnix_Gary | my first own test uses a 50hz rate with good results
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| 23:01 | Rebotnix_Gary | but without embedding it in a meta-data stream , i do not think that it is very useable
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| 23:02 | Rebotnix_Gary | you have to export the data, import it in a tracker, learn, stabilize etc.
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| 23:02 | Rebotnix_Gary | no users will use this i think
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| 23:02 | Rebotnix_Gary | i think it would be great to embedded it in the SDi feed, same as with timecode and then a plugin in after effects, fxp
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| 23:03 | Rebotnix_Gary | reads this axis meta data and stabilization is done over GPU, using cuda for example
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| 23:03 | Rebotnix_Gary | that it makes sense i think
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| 23:04 | Rebotnix_Gary | but for testing, a simple imu on top of the apertus is fine
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| 23:04 | Rebotnix_Gary | here is a another video that uses realtime IMU stab.:
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| 23:04 | Rebotnix_Gary | https://vimeo.com/103778370
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| 23:09 | Rebotnix_Gary | will come back from time to time and will share some thoughts...i also back on the cam and we are very interesting to develop some cool software and hardware tools..see ya
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| 23:09 | Bertl | cya
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| 23:11 | se6astian | time for bed
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| 23:11 | se6astian | god night
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| 23:11 | se6astian | *good
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