00:06 | Bertl | off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
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07:36 | se6astian | good morning
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08:19 | Bertl | morning folks!
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11:39 | se6astian | hi sasha!
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11:39 | sasha_c | Hey Sebastian. How are things?
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11:39 | se6astian | good good
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11:39 | se6astian | lots of things on the todo list
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11:39 | se6astian | are you available? :)
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11:40 | sasha_c | Yes, I am. And you're referring to the to-do list on the wiki?
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11:48 | se6astian | I think the most important would be to start reviewing ou horizon 2020 application documents
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11:48 | se6astian | the website additions are not that urgent
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11:48 | se6astian | did you get the openproject account invitation from samuel?
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11:48 | sasha_c | Yeah, I did
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11:49 | se6astian | great
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11:50 | se6astian | some parts of the horizon 2020 application draft are already rather mature
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11:50 | se6astian | I think those would be great to review
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11:50 | se6astian | before we invite our partners to participate :)
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11:50 | sasha_c | sure
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13:04 | se6astian | ok gotta go
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13:04 | se6astian | see you later
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16:20 | FergusL | hi here
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16:21 | FergusL | se6astian, Bertl: can you recommend some readings, books, blogs where open-source software and hardware in solid business plans is put forward with its advantages ?
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16:24 | FergusL | I met a guy who is developping new music instruments, he knows foss quite well, we just need some docs about open hw and sw to make choices regarding licenses and business plans
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16:38 | Bertl | sorry, I don't know any specific literature about FOSS business plans
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17:20 | se6astian | Hi FergusL, let me check
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17:23 | se6astian | I can recommend this classic: http://producingoss.com/
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17:23 | se6astian | not about the business side in particular though
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17:23 | se6astian | The Cathedral and the Bazaar : http://www.catb.org/esr/writings/cathedral-bazaar/
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17:24 | se6astian | since open hardware/software business is still rather young and a bit experimental I am afraid there are not the classic books you can buy
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17:24 | se6astian | http://www.open-electronics.org/the-truth-about-open-source-hardware-business-models/
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17:25 | se6astian | http://opensource.com/business/13/10/maniacal-labs-open-hardware
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17:25 | se6astian | but there are many resources on the internet of people sharing their experience
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17:25 | se6astian | http://www.cnbc.com/id/101133560
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17:25 | se6astian | http://prezi.com/heglgmravcde/the-business-case-for-open-source-hardware/
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17:25 | se6astian | http://p2pfoundation.net/Open_Source_Hardware_Business_Models
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17:25 | FergusL | excellent se6astian ! thanks a lot, some of these linksring a bell, maybe from the forums !
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17:26 | se6astian | then also pay attention to the most successful projects like: Arduino, Ardour, Parallella, Raspberry Pi, Makerbot, etc.
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17:26 | se6astian | and Android of course
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17:27 | se6astian | or the more classic open source software service models of Redhat, Suse, etc.
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17:27 | se6astian | as enterprise linux
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17:29 | FergusL | indeed yes ! they must have written some stuff too about their business model
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18:04 | se6astian | hey rainer!
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18:04 | se6astian | can you explain the differences between genlock, shutter sync and trigger to me?
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18:04 | se6astian | http://nofilmschool.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Sony-F5-F55-Side-view-right-without-e1351587864178.jpg
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18:19 | rainer_vie | sec
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18:20 | se6astian | its strange that all I can find on the internet instructions of people scratching only the surface of the matter
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18:20 | se6astian | aka "if you want to sync gear together you have to use genlock"....
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18:20 | rainer_vie | ok...
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18:21 | rainer_vie | simple spoken... genlock syncs the video signal and the shutter sync the shutter
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18:21 | rainer_vie | in an ideal setup both is in sync
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18:22 | rainer_vie | plus the TC
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18:22 | rainer_vie | with the genlock you sync the frames coming out of the sdi ports
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18:23 | se6astian | I see that most cameras only have a Genlock IN (but not an OUT) so for stereo3d setups you need an external master sync generator? why not have one camera sync to second?
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18:23 | rainer_vie | thats right... not for the alexa... it has an extra port and cable for that
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18:24 | rainer_vie | but
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18:24 | rainer_vie | you want in a stereo setup specially that all is in sync
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18:24 | rainer_vie | so you take one external source which snycs all
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18:24 | rainer_vie | #syncs
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18:24 | rainer_vie | with a very stable generator
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18:25 | rainer_vie | if you have a camera that is stable to a maximum of 1 ppm it would fit also
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18:26 | se6astian | so for s3d you would actually want to sync the shutter not the sdi signal out right?
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18:26 | rainer_vie | no both
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18:27 | rainer_vie | you need to see exactly at the same time the same picture with the same shutter
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18:27 | rainer_vie | same frame
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18:28 | rainer_vie | you would get a lot of headache if it would not be sync
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18:28 | rainer_vie | keep in mind that the phase comes in here as well
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18:30 | rainer_vie | think on filming an old tube tv with a new camera... the small black line should be at both cams on the same position
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18:31 | se6astian | so for the alexa s3d setup that is one sync generator and 4 cables?
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18:32 | rainer_vie | at the alexa its like you want :)
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18:32 | rainer_vie | one is master, one is slave
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18:33 | rainer_vie | over one cable
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18:33 | se6astian | I see
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18:34 | se6astian | is genlock still used for anything beside s3d nowadays, I guess most broadcast solutions buffer one frame anyway so they dont care aboue all cameras being in sync for live mixing?
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18:37 | rainer_vie | I've nerver used it for years now... on a normal job even with more cams on set I use only TC sync... long time ago that I made a live show
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18:38 | se6astian | ok thanks
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18:38 | rainer_vie | np
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18:43 | rainer_vie | A battery buffer module would also a good idea. We use the ones from bebob to not interrupt power supply when changing batteries. http://www.bebob.de/Akkus-und-Ladegeraete/ML-120.html
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18:45 | rainer_vie | so the cam doesn't need to be rebooted when battery is changed.
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18:49 | rainer_vie | so the DP and all others around have always a running cam is a great thing.
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18:49 | se6astian | how long does the alexa take to reboot?
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18:50 | rainer_vie | till you can shoot and see a picture its a difference but about 20 to 30 sec
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18:51 | rainer_vie | but the thing is different... think of the DP is searching for a frame and is in work with the director and you have to reboot... thats not good
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18:52 | rainer_vie | to be able to change battery all the time and nobody takes notice is great
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18:52 | se6astian | agreed
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21:37 | danieel | 20-30 sec? :) i am with my x86 at 20s, with 10s being due to bios delays
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21:48 | Bertl | maybe the camera has a similar bios :)
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22:50 | se6astian | time for bed
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22:50 | se6astian | good night
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