| 01:21 | Bertl | off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
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| 08:27 | danieel | se6astian: the timeline shows beta development till end of 2014 - should it rather be up to 2015/Q1 - according to perk shipment? ( ref: https://www.apertus.org/axiom )
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| 08:32 | danieel | regarding the raw packing, one missed the point that there is no such thing as 4:2:2 RGB :)
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| 08:32 | danieel | all 4:2:2 recorders are taking YCbCr
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| 08:46 | danieel | and the last detail is bitdepth, with YCbCr 4:2:2 the usual external recorders handle 10bit nicely, so it averages at 20bit/pixel, but to be broadcast compatible, you cant use the bottom/top 4 codewords, so it is 19.98 bits effectively
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| 08:49 | se6astian | bbs
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| 08:57 | aquarat | This has probably been asked before... but why would someone prioritise purchasing an Axiom Beta over a Blackmagic Design 4K Camera ?
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| 08:57 | aquarat | apart from the open source nature of the Axiom Beta ?
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| 08:58 | aquarat | They seem to have the same sensor, one is in development, another is freely available
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| 08:58 | danieel | can bmd4k do 1080p120 if it does uhd@30? (bandwidth is same)
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| 08:58 | aquarat | no it can't
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| 08:58 | danieel | so that is the reason :)
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| 08:59 | aquarat | is that the only reason?
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| 08:59 | aquarat | :P
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| 08:59 | aquarat | it's a compelling reason...
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| 08:59 | danieel | one of the most obvious ones falling into category of free choice what to do with the hardware
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| 08:59 | danieel | and also easy to explain as the point is clear
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| 09:00 | aquarat | yes, the benefits of an open source product are profound
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| 09:03 | danieel | what do you shoot usually?
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| 09:03 | aquarat | a combination of tv commercials and health and safety videos
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| 09:03 | aquarat | it's a bit of a hobby of mine
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| 09:04 | danieel | to what gear currently?
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| 09:04 | aquarat | which tends to fit well with another hobby: electronics and PCs
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| 09:04 | aquarat | I have four BMD cameras
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| 09:04 | aquarat | and two Sony EX3s
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| 09:04 | danieel | same or diff?
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| 09:04 | aquarat | and three Sony NX5s
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| 09:05 | aquarat | same or diff ?
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| 09:05 | aquarat | I don't understand
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| 09:05 | danieel | the 4 bmds
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| 09:05 | aquarat | yeah, two 2.5k cams
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| 09:05 | aquarat | one 4k cam
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| 09:05 | aquarat | and the pocket cam
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| 09:05 | danieel | do they output same color instantly or needs lot of tuning?
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| 09:06 | aquarat | If the lighting is consistent one LUT can be applied to all footage from the 2.5k cams
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| 09:06 | aquarat | the 4k and 2.5k cams differ considerably in colour
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| 09:07 | aquarat | Generally we shoot raw, I debayer the footage (applying settings to achieve a neutral base to work from), I export to uncompressed YUV 422 10bit
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| 09:07 | aquarat | then I use ffmpeg to transcode the footage to multiple versions, generally rec709 proxy, 2k prores and 4k prores
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| 09:08 | aquarat | the 2k and 4k versions are in BMD's "Film" profile
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| 09:14 | se6astian | back
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| 09:14 | se6astian | aquarat: to add to the free choice you also have a clear upgrade path and a lot of flexibility with the AXIOM
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| 09:15 | se6astian | and a community surrounding it that will make it grow and glow over time :)
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| 09:16 | se6astian | plus we support fair labour and green sustainable manufacturing, BMD probably manufactures in China where it is cheapest
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| 09:18 | aquarat | cool, thanks for that se6astian
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| 09:18 | aquarat | yeah I don't get why companies like BMD and Canon don't open source their firmware
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| 09:19 | danieel | they would not sell as much new products :)
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| 09:19 | aquarat | hehe :P
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| 09:20 | aquarat | I like the presence of an arm soc in the beta
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| 09:20 | aquarat | this irc client is running on a quad-core arm unit
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| 09:23 | se6astian | nice :)
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| 09:24 | se6astian | well I already see the prime application for the AXIOM as on-set IRC chat platform :P
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| 09:29 | aquarat | lol
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| 09:37 | FergusL | Some geeky dops like to tweet, so could be great to have twitter feed notifications as well
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| 09:42 | PhilippeJ | Looking at twitter, https://twitter.com/search?f=realtime&q=apertus&src=typd the most mentionned article curently is this one : http://blog.planet5d.com/2014/09/magic-lantern-blackmagic-red-apertus-axiom/
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| 09:51 | se6astian | its a very unorthodox by quite honest way of describing us :)
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| 14:43 | Bertl | afternoon folks!
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| 20:08 | se6astian | any english native speaker around?
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| 20:08 | se6astian | I need a quick text review
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| 20:10 | Bertl | native English speakers would do fine I guess :)
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| 20:19 | se6astian | tomahawk! :)
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| 20:33 | intracube | se6astian: did you find someone?
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| 20:45 | Bertl | changed nick to: Bertl_oO
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| 20:50 | se6astian | bertl had a look
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| 20:50 | se6astian | but if you could as well that would be great
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| 20:51 | se6astian | pmed you
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| 21:01 | theuberkevlar | I'll have a look if you want, Sebastian.
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| 21:04 | se6astian | more collaborators, great :)
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| 21:05 | se6astian | pmed you
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| 21:12 | intracube | se6astian: just made the final change to the doc
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| 21:12 | intracube | not sure how to respond on the google doc chat - but it depends how informal se6astian wants it to read :P
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| 21:14 | intracube | "but feel €350 is too much of a commitment right now" - reads better, slightly less formal
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| 21:17 | se6astian | please take a look now
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| 21:31 | intracube | yep, that reads ok
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| 21:32 | se6astian | many thanks!
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| 21:32 | se6astian | posted now
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| 21:35 | intracube | as this is fairly important, maybe it could go on the main 'story' page
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| 21:35 | intracube | I suspect 90% of page views won't click on updates and will miss this info
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| 21:41 | theuberkevlar | Yeah if there is a way to put it on the main page I would recomment doing that. :)
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| 21:43 | se6astian | the perks are already on the main page
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| 21:43 | se6astian | I mean the tshirt/button designs
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| 21:43 | se6astian | and the 150€ perk is available as well
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| 22:10 | se6astian | there is no designated "news" area on the frontpage, but thats what the update tab is for I guess
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| 22:11 | se6astian | released the campaign update on the mailing lists and social media
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| 22:11 | se6astian | now time for bed :)
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| 22:12 | Bertl | have a good night then!
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| 22:12 | intracube | night
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| 22:23 | se6astian | good niht
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| 22:23 | se6astian | *night
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| 22:59 | aombk | most of the sensor manufaturers struggle to make the sensors smaller
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| 23:06 | intracube | aombk: what do you mean?
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| 23:06 | intracube | or rather, what is this in reference to
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| 23:07 | aombk | no reference to anything, i just look into sensor manufacturers and their product lines
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| 23:09 | Bertl | it is kind of understandable
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| 23:09 | Bertl | making larger sensors costs a lot more
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| 23:12 | Q_ | Why would you want a smaller sensor?
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| 23:12 | intracube | aombk: Samsung have a 16 megapixel sensor in the Note 4. the sensor must be pretty small.
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| 23:12 | intracube | Q_: you wouldn't! no shallow depth of field effect :)
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| 23:12 | Q_ | I would like to see a 35 mm option. I think the biggest one is ASP-C?
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| 23:13 | Q_ | s/ASP/APS/
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| 23:14 | intracube | the axiom beta will have the same sensor dimensions as the filmstock used in most hollywood films
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| 23:14 | intracube | aps-c is virtually the same as super35
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| 23:15 | intracube | if by 35mm, you mean 35mm still photography... that's different :)
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| 23:18 | intracube | VistaVision is the same format size as (D)SLR fullframe
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| 23:18 | intracube | and vistavision is not often used for movies
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| 23:19 | aombk | the thing is, some manufacturers that make tiny sensors, 1/4" - 1/11" or smaller use some very advanced techniques compared by the more "traditional" techniques used in large sensors
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| 23:19 | aombk | they do much research
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| 23:20 | intracube | aombk: I guess some of this tech will filter down to larger sensors, like sony's new a7s?
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| 23:21 | Q_ | Calling it APS-C looks very confussing.
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| 23:22 | aombk | probably in time, large sensors will follow
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| 23:22 | intracube | aombk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1W-bPyYR0k
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| 23:23 | Q_ | Afaik, in still photography 35 mm is 36x24mm, APS-C around 25x18 but depends on the manufacturer.
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| 23:23 | aombk | Q_, not really. your background is film?
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| 23:23 | intracube | 1:18 onward
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| 23:24 | intracube | Q_: that's correct, afaik
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| 23:24 | aombk | Q_, when i get confused i visit wikipedia
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| 23:24 | aombk | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_sensor_format
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| 23:25 | intracube | actual film is similar, but for still photography it's horizontal
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| 23:25 | aombk | intracube, i have seen this video yes the low noise at high gains is impressive
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| 23:25 | intracube | for movie film it's rotated 90 degrees to vertical
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| 23:27 | intracube | still FF (d)slr/vistavision: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VistaVision
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| 23:27 | intracube | typical movie film: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_35
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| 23:27 | Bertl | and to clarify, the CMV12000 has 22.5x16.9mm sensitive area
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| 23:27 | Bertl | the sensel are 5.5x5.5µm in size, 4096x3072 of them
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| 23:27 | intracube | movie film might historically have optical or magnetic sound area down one side
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| 23:27 | intracube | super35 doesn't
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| 23:31 | Q_ | If you talk about 35 mm still photography, you're talking about: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/135_film
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| 23:32 | intracube | yup
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| 23:33 | Bertl | now twice wikipedia came to the rescue, we should consider donating to their cause!
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| 23:33 | Q_ | Or: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full-frame_digital_SLR
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| 23:35 | aombk | i do donate to wikipedia every month
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| 23:35 | aombk | you dont?!
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| 23:35 | aombk | :P
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| 23:35 | Bertl | not yet, not on a regular basis, but I'm considering it
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| 23:38 | aombk | i see. yes, i was considering it too before i decided to do it
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| 23:39 | intracube | that reminds me. I should donate
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