#apertus IRC Channel Logs

trying to wrap my head around this...

alexML_: are you Alex from Magic Lantern ?

hey guys i ll try to stop procrastinating from now on, so you can reach me per email, i wont be here that much ^^

hey, nice to see him around here hehe

hi

Hi, I hear the question "why?" Me: software developer, paid EUR350. Why? Like the idea a lot. I don't need to shoot much except home video. Want to access best tech (like Red Epic) for peanut price. Like to dream - maybe I get to help with the project and later on sometime go work with video more seriously, it's so much more interesting than my good-for-nothing java job. And hardware is more interesting. But then I'm not even sure I

More interested in the Gamma maybe :) for actual purchase that is

I hope for a full eco-system to grow around your designs

not sure about the chinese mock up

FergusL: why not? if it's open hardware anybody can make them right?

the final product will be very high end engineering grade

btw slightly off topic now that the campaign is in danger - I'd much rather see Beta with metal case, I'd see the processor chip attached on thermal paste to the back of the camera and no fan if possible.. and some mounting points on the metal case - like the case being its own cage

FergusL: in a way I'd say that if the chinese don't make a copy then the project hasn't achieved all of its goals. Open hardware is about anybody being able to repeat. If it can not be repeated -- well maybe it's a wrong design?

if not done already their experience can probably be used in terms of brand/trademark management

hi FergusL

anton__: I think the chinese are already making copies, but it is not our aim to endorse dubious working conditions and child labor, on the contrary, we advocate fair trade and fair labor

http://www.gizmodo.de/2014/09/22/axiom-beta-die-open-source-filmkamera.html

I appreciate the honest approach. But it is a little discouraging not knowing if there will be a Gamma.

It does pull me back that it seems that the only thing that I can salvage might be the sensor. Also, what are the benefits of supporting Beta..

Might sound ironical but the reason that for me funding this project is that there might not be a Gamma (touch wood). Being an open camera I am sure there will be developements beyond the present disclosed capability of Beta.

If Beta and Gamma are to be of different form factor then the upgrade would mean sending the camera back for a full overhaul.

umibuta_ the main reason of the beta is to get to code work on a bigger scale, the other thing is at the moment everybody works sparetime to get a speed up it's necessary to work full time. :-)

I am just speaking my mind about why I support and what's stopping me.

I cannot contribute technically these are the only contributions I can dish out..... :(

it's nice to see you here and discuss the subject thats also helps...

info about the gamma it's just a concept at the moment. the module concept is a nice idea but the best and cost effective way is still open.

there where some indeas with some vita fmc conncectors but they will cost at least 50$ per module(male / female) and that will put the overal cost much up.

people are used to "product announcements"

not sony talking of things it might want to try in a few years :)

to be fair is importand then today everbody can say we can do this and that but on the end it's important what you can deliver... and here apertus try's to be realistic....

be right back

maybe we can do this as video interview

because people might read only a few lines

se6astian: Will Gamma be still using the zedboard? or it's only being used in beta.

but we will only be able to confirm that once we tested the picozed

and still has 8 weeks lead time

yes its largly compatible to the microzed

bbs

Hi. Idea: what if the perk for EUR350 contribution was - get Axiom Beta _or_ Gamma at cost? I was actually considering asking you for this change when time comess for myself. But maybee it could be useful for the campaign as well?

I am also trying to figure out how close http://www.openssd-project.org are to deliverin their pcie Xilinx 7045 based prototype ssd board with 512Gb nand. If that thing was available it could be used for internal storage in different ways. One way would be to incorporate their FPGA designs into the main Axiom board buy NAND module SODIMMs from them and connect that NAND directly to the main Xilinx possibly via pins intended for that high spe

Hmm this web irc log is truncating very long messages.

anton4: it's not the web irc log, there is a message limit on IRC

(which is why we restrict ourselves to 7010/20/30 and recently 7015, which is also covered by the webpack)

Berl: I know about webpack andd 7045. This is one of my questions to the univercity guys. They also promise pcie. Not sure if they expect.to use any proprietery IP logic for that. BUT if they release their own FPGA/arm code under gpl this may be good enough. We may run their code on the main Xilinx chip

And I was also dreaming of ordering nand sodimm modules.via them. That is if they are not vaporware

so basically we are looking at a closed source, highly proprietary development from korea? which rides the open source train :)

but hey, maybe they will open up sooner or later ... I'd say, till then, not very interesting

would be quite expensive given a 7045 being in there

danieel: indeed, do not understand their choice

keep us updated if they reply

off for now ... bbl

hello!

Hi! well, I don't understand the pricing of the shipment of the axiom beta

why is it so expensive?

correct the image sensor is the most expensive component

Yes, I thougt the price of the sensor was somehow lowered, but I guess the 1900 Euro is the price of the sensor and cannot be avoided...

back now ...

hey sebix! what's up?

hi everyone !

We are going to talk to some more bloggers

We are revolutionising the world. We are (if things work out) building a whole new ecosystem with its own rules of the game

do you want me feedback? then best email me

Supporting the project is a noble thing to do, it makes you part of the new world

And incidentally yeah you can also buy a camera at cost if you support us now

And if we view it like this then it makes sense to say that its not just Beta, you can buy any one camera from us. Its a lifelong perk. You can spend it on Beta or on Gamma or on any other future camera. You can avoid soending it all and just keep (maybe in the form of anice certificate) on the wall. Who knows maybe in a hundred years time they will be a valyable collectors item sold on auctions

Or maybe smb will trade it in 100 years time for buying a camera of that day for symbolic price - of course if there still is a company at that time willing to honour its founder's pledge

Be the Elfs, make a legend

Done :)

now the tricky part: how can we get that message across to people?

the content

I had the idea of an interview indeed

I am not an actor ... :(

so it might feel strange :)

you can have a critical eye on the campaign

what is not clear so far

what are peoples doubts when they read the campaign page

questions about size are cleared up. Spec questions are slowly clearing up.

Maybe making a very tentative timeline of when planned features could be released after the beta.

the timeline would be greatly influenced by what people want

yeah thats true

that could be a nice update post

great

Paperhat: are you an english native speaker?

perfect

do you want to review my update text

general wording

review it to make sure its clear to understand

I sent you a PM

i'm the student that reviewed the campaign footage.

se6astian: Sorry I just saw your pm now.

Aha!

but axiom is not 4k

how do you arrive at the false conclusion that AXIOM Beta would not be 4k?

I'm confused. The page about axiom beta mentions "different lens mount options", including EF. While the FAQ says Nikon F-mount only. I've read somewhere that it's passive only but can't find it now anymore. EF lenses (like the FAQ says) would need electronics for the aperture control. Can someone clarify?

why do you say that?

is there?

EF is more the issue to get the proper contacts (without ringing a bell at canon, by taking their spare parts), software wise it is easy

either that, or just take a 2-3 channel scope and you figure it out pretty fast

we need to update is ASAP

Q_: yeah, we also know the protocols and pin layout, but still it requires the electrical connections and some testing, as you don't want to fry expensive lenses

Couple comments on the crowdfunding.. The video has one person saying “It’s been eight years since the Apertus project was born”... I've been following the project since the Elphel days so I a decent sense of all that's been acomplished. However, you might want to list some specific milestones the project has achieved or have a brief history of the project. Perhaps people are thinking 8 years and no real p

danieel: ask the magic lantern folks about that ...

well, we do not want to destroy the lens systems of future AXIOM Beta owners on purpose

wescotte: agreed we should put some excerpt and link to https://apertus.org/history into the campaign

intracube: check here: https://apertus.org/donate

ok time for bed

have a good one se6astian!

good night!