22:35 | Bertl | back now ...
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22:45 | jucar1 | hello
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22:46 | Bertl | hey jucar1! how's going?
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23:01 | jucar1 | back, good and you ?
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23:01 | Bertl | a little tired, but otherwise fine, thanks!
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23:01 | jucar1 | now temperature here in country side is good
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23:01 | jucar1 | was very hot before
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23:02 | jucar1 | why denomination open source cinema and not free source cinema ?
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23:02 | jucar1 | accoriding with stallman´s proposals ?
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23:03 | Bertl | well, free sounds like give-away, and nowadays, that mostly means that you get something without paying for it, but that's it
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23:04 | jucar1 | why don´t ´libre´ ?
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23:04 | Bertl | (like free beer)
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23:04 | jucar1 | I think that is an important issue :)
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23:04 | Bertl | but we want to be 'open' in many ways
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23:04 | Bertl | i.e. open with the interfaces
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23:04 | jucar1 | well, with ´libre´ we can give an accent to the nomination
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23:04 | Bertl | open in the knowledge exchange
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23:04 | jucar1 | yes, I understand they are the principles of free software
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23:04 | jucar1 | the problem is the word free in english I know
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23:05 | jucar1 | but I think is possible to give a ´revolutionary´ terminology... aditional one :)
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23:05 | Bertl | i like to think the best term is FOS(S/H)
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23:05 | jucar1 | free open source
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23:06 | Bertl | but for hardware, it's a little more problematic than for software
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23:06 | jucar1 | yes
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23:06 | jucar1 | I know, but since your project is too good ,
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23:06 | Bertl | especially as hardware cannot be copied for basically nothing
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23:06 | jucar1 | and too important,
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23:06 | jucar1 | yes of course
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23:06 | jucar1 | will be interesting to open some relation with people of the 3d printers too,
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23:07 | Bertl | yes, a lot of stuff will be possible with 3D replication in the near future
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23:07 | jucar1 | yes
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23:07 | Bertl | for example, the lens mount is a good example
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23:07 | jucar1 | prototypes of the external cases
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23:07 | jucar1 | yes
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23:08 | Bertl | with the design available, as soon as the technology is available, it can be 'printed' at home
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23:08 | jucar1 | but not only this part probably where to mount the hw
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23:08 | jucar1 | too
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23:08 | jucar1 | yes
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23:08 | jucar1 | there is a good group at the turin politecnico
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23:08 | jucar1 | I met some of them , they won some competition on 3d printing
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23:09 | jucar1 | they found some solution in some technical stuff
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23:09 | Bertl | well, bring them in, get them interested in axiom or other apertus stuff :)
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23:09 | jucar1 | what do you need as help mainly ?
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23:09 | jucar1 | they are very good people
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23:09 | Bertl | at the moment, we are focused on the prototype
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23:09 | jucar1 | enthusiastic too
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23:10 | jucar1 | aha
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23:10 | Bertl | we have a version of the lens mount
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23:10 | jucar1 | and for prototype what are the priorities ?
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23:11 | jucar1 | this of the lens mount is a very crutial thing
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23:11 | jucar1 | if people can use lots of different lenses
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23:11 | jucar1 | I think they are very very good old russian lenses and not expensive at all
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23:13 | jucar1 | as I told you I can ask some good 3d persons for give style in prototype
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23:13 | jucar1 | but this is probably too soon
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23:13 | Bertl | http://paste.linux-vserver.org/24995
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23:13 | Bertl | those are basically the steps for the prototype and the current status
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23:13 | jucar1 | lets see
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23:14 | jucar1 | why linux-vserver.org ?
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23:14 | jucar1 | some of you is working with vserver dev ?
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23:14 | Bertl | yes, I am, but actually I jsut had it open
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23:14 | Bertl | (i.e. could have been any other pastebin as well)
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23:14 | jucar1 | oh, good
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23:14 | jucar1 | I use lots of vserver
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23:14 | jucar1 | ah
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23:15 | jucar1 | do you know lu_zero a gentoo developper from italy ?
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23:15 | jucar1 | he is very very good in hw
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23:15 | jucar1 | I think is possible to ask him for help , is a friend
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23:15 | jucar1 | luca barbato is his name
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23:15 | Bertl | no, I don't know him
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23:15 | jucar1 | he is a ffmpeg dev too
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23:15 | jucar1 | now in the ffmpeg fork
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23:15 | jucar1 | I think can also be interesting for software developpment
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23:16 | jucar1 | for this project
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23:16 | Bertl | sure, any help and any interested person is welcome
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23:16 | jucar1 | they have been working a lot with streaming
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23:17 | jucar1 | I ll talk to him tomorrow
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23:17 | jucar1 | also some other guy working very good with arduino
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23:17 | jucar1 | let me check
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23:19 | jucar1 | where can I find what you did for the lens mount ?
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23:19 | jucar1 | is possible to take a look ?
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23:22 | jucar1 | is there some people interested on the open film making news portal website ?
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23:22 | jucar1 | or not yet ?
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23:38 | Bertl | let me see if I can find the data for the lens mount
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23:39 | jucar1 | with calm
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23:39 | jucar1 | is some one doing the portal for open film making ?
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23:40 | Bertl | maybe, no idea here, you have to contact sebastian for that stuff
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23:41 | jucar1 | good
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23:41 | Bertl | https://github.com/apertus-open-source-cinema/alpha-hardware/tree/master/Nikon-F-Mount
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23:41 | jucar1 | i´am flying to India soon , and will meet people of the ikff , which is interesting because if ffrom state
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23:42 | jucar1 | they were very interested in blender project, the national institut of cinema of india wanted to use blender for the special effects
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23:42 | jucar1 | I ll see if they can help axiom
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23:42 | jucar1 | they are very up to free software free knowledge
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23:42 | jucar1 | is a question of their philosophy
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23:42 | Bertl | yeah, blender is a nice tool and the foundation makes interesting movies
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23:42 | jucar1 | because
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23:42 | jucar1 | well the movies they do are not interesting :) they are technically interesting :)
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23:43 | jucar1 | roosendal was supoused to go to india because of this
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23:43 | jucar1 | anyway the indians are very up to share knowledge, in fact they had done the traditional knwoledge data base
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23:43 | jucar1 | to avoid multinationals to put patents to this ayurvedic nowledge and so on
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23:44 | jucar1 | all of this due to they can not stand that sanscrit was a language to ´not´ share knwoledge
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23:44 | jucar1 | only the high casts knew sanscrit
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23:44 | jucar1 | then they refuse the idea to NOT share knowledge
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23:44 | jucar1 | for this is that in Trivandrum in Kerala they have all schools with free software
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23:44 | jucar1 | and work a lot into free hw projects too
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23:44 | jucar1 | lets see
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23:45 | jucar1 | thanks for the url github
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23:46 | jucar1 | in needed to split this mount , to be able to use different lenses from other brands
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23:46 | jucar1 | not only nikon F
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23:46 | jucar1 | but this is not difficult
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23:48 | Bertl | on the other end, it might also make sense to have different sensors, so yes, different adapters or a system of adapters will be required
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23:48 | jucar1 | yes
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23:49 | jucar1 | will be interesting to make them compattible with the not expensive stuff around too
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23:49 | jucar1 | rings and so on for close up ecc
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23:49 | jucar1 | is an interesting system
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23:49 | jucar1 | sort like the cokin filters the french ones
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23:49 | jucar1 | http://www.cokin.co.uk/
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23:50 | jucar1 | interesting this part
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23:50 | jucar1 | let me see how can I help and some friends
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23:51 | jucar1 | of course thinking in manual focusing and so on
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23:51 | jucar1 | with electronig stuff in the middle is more complex to make an universal device
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23:52 | Bertl | sounds interesting (the filter stuff)
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23:52 | jucar1 | yes
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23:52 | jucar1 | and they are very inexpensive
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23:53 | jucar1 | I think will be interesting to do an study of what is available some places
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23:53 | jucar1 | to think to consider this on the design of prototype.
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23:53 | Bertl | what would be the price for e.g. a simple color filter?
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23:53 | jucar1 | oh, now I have not idea, but not expensive
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23:53 | jucar1 | usually they sell sort of sets of filters
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23:53 | jucar1 | since the filter is separated from the ring
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23:54 | Bertl | yeah, no problem, was just curious
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23:54 | jucar1 | then you can have all the filters for many different rings and lenses
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23:54 | jucar1 | I can see
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23:54 | jucar1 | i´ĺl tell you
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23:54 | jucar1 | they have all kinds of from pola to whatever you need
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23:54 | Bertl | that would be appreciated, thanks
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23:54 | jucar1 | as soon as I have idea I ll tell you
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23:54 | jucar1 | also will be interesing to consider this kind of sutff
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23:54 | jucar1 | http://www.ebay.it/sch/i.html?_odkw=luce+kobo+reader&_osacat=0&_from=R40&LH_PrefLoc=1&_trksid=m570.l3201&_nkw=lens+adapters+&_sacat=0
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23:55 | jucar1 | the lens adapters
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23:55 | Bertl | take your time, it's not urgent
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23:55 | jucar1 | i´ll start making a list and then i´ll give it to you
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23:56 | jucar1 | probably I can edit some wiki some part
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23:56 | jucar1 | I have some
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23:56 | jucar1 | or I just install one
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23:57 | jucar1 | lets see also the angenieux lenses
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23:57 | jucar1 | http://www.ebay.it/sch/i.html?_trksid=p4069.m570.l1313&_nkw=angenieux&_sacat=0&_from=R40
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23:59 | jucar1 | probably is possible to build a sort of semi-universal adapter for lenses
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00:00 | jucar1 | lets see many of the bayonnetes of different ones to see if possible
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00:00 | Bertl | maybe, the sensor side is basically fixed by the shape of the ceramic sensor case
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00:00 | jucar1 | also will be interesting probably to deal directly with the cokin persons
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00:00 | jucar1 | yes
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00:00 | jucar1 | but why not to ask them ?
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00:00 | jucar1 | probably they can manufacture cheap pieces specially for axiom :)
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00:01 | jucar1 | can be a good source of making more money for them
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00:01 | jucar1 | and the project will explode
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00:01 | jucar1 | since they are already used to do adapters, they know very well their different kinds
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00:01 | Bertl | sure, but I'm the wrong person for lenses and lens mounts ... i.e. not my area of expertise :)
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00:02 | jucar1 | just chatting
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00:02 | jucar1 | in ebay 5 cokin filters 57 euro
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00:03 | Bertl | sure, no problem, just don't expect any on-topic input from my side :)
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00:03 | jucar1 | the adapter 10 euro
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00:03 | Bertl | that's quite affordable, indeed
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00:03 | jucar1 | don´t worry i´am just psycho :)
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00:03 | jucar1 | yes, and I am sure is possible to find less expensive too
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00:04 | jucar1 | but consider if you buy a set of filters then you can use them on all the lenses
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00:04 | jucar1 | look 7 filters for 29
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00:04 | jucar1 | in ebay
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00:04 | jucar1 | and I think is possible also to use with their adapters some other filters
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00:05 | jucar1 | also possible to ´build´ filters
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00:05 | jucar1 | 6 filters 20 euros
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00:05 | jucar1 | 10 filters 25 euro
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00:05 | jucar1 | http://www.ebay.it/itm/FILTRI-VARI-COKIN-IN-BLOCCO-/111067125006?pt=Accessori_per_Digitali&hash=item19dc1dd50e&_uhb=1
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00:10 | jucar1 | I ll see if for february maximum I can have my axiiom
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00:12 | jucar1 | probably will be interesting to talk to some technical schools like the itis in italy
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00:12 | jucar1 | and other countries
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00:12 | jucar1 | to make the design of some parts as an education project
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00:12 | jucar1 | the lenses attach can be one part
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00:12 | Bertl | sounds good
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00:12 | jucar1 | I think is possible
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00:12 | jucar1 | because 2 reasons
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00:13 | jucar1 | a) going forward
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00:13 | jucar1 | b) spreading project
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00:13 | jucar1 | at least 2 reasosns
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00:16 | Bertl | I'm all for it
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00:17 | jucar1 | well, i´ll talk to this guys I told you , they can help in a small italian side
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00:17 | jucar1 | and also will talk to people in india
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00:17 | jucar1 | in india they are very good
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00:17 | jucar1 | and they will be enthusiastic with the possibility of doing movies with this cameras
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00:19 | jucar1 | you know, india is very surprising
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00:19 | jucar1 | each college do often sort of presentation also in the street of the research of their students
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00:19 | jucar1 | and what surprises is their research
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00:19 | jucar1 | in robotics, programming and so on
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00:19 | jucar1 | unviliebable
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00:19 | jucar1 | lots and lots
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00:19 | jucar1 | thining is very common there :)
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00:20 | jucar1 | I learned that at school the students (I don´t know if everyplace) need to learn till multiplication table of 16 :)
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00:20 | jucar1 | just to ´start´
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00:21 | Bertl | well, my experiences with folks from india are mixed
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00:21 | jucar1 | of course
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00:21 | jucar1 | india is very big
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00:21 | Bertl | some know their stuff surprisingly well, others just think they know, but in fact they know nothing
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00:21 | jucar1 | and probably I know due to free software movement, particular ones
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00:21 | jucar1 | yes
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00:22 | Bertl | but yes, large country and quite diversive
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00:22 | jucar1 | I go very often to kerala, there is very known because the analphabetism is practically 0 per cent
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00:22 | jucar1 | yes
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00:22 | jucar1 | kerala too is the smallest state 35.000.000 persons
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00:22 | jucar1 | for them
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00:22 | jucar1 | and very particular
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00:32 | Bertl | ah, I'm off to bed now ... really tired ... thanks for the chat and keep them ideas coming
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00:34 | jucar1 | ok
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00:34 | jucar1 | see you tomorrow
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00:34 | jucar1 | I go for bach :)
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00:34 | jucar1 | I ll start writing
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00:34 | jucar1 | ciao
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00:34 | jucar1 | Gute Nacht
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09:34 | Bertl | morning everyone!
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10:53 | dmj_nova | morning Bertl
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