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2013/08/22

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23:35
Bertl
back now ...
23:45
jucar1
hello
23:46
Bertl
hey jucar1! how's going?
00:01
jucar1
back, good and you ?
00:01
Bertl
a little tired, but otherwise fine, thanks!
00:01
jucar1
now temperature here in country side is good
00:01
jucar1
was very hot before
00:02
jucar1
why denomination open source cinema and not free source cinema ?
00:02
jucar1
accoriding with stallman´s proposals ?
00:03
Bertl
well, free sounds like give-away, and nowadays, that mostly means that you get something without paying for it, but that's it
00:04
jucar1
why don´t ´libre´ ?
00:04
Bertl
(like free beer)
00:04
jucar1
I think that is an important issue :)
00:04
Bertl
but we want to be 'open' in many ways
00:04
Bertl
i.e. open with the interfaces
00:04
jucar1
well, with ´libre´ we can give an accent to the nomination
00:04
Bertl
open in the knowledge exchange
00:04
jucar1
yes, I understand they are the principles of free software
00:04
jucar1
the problem is the word free in english I know
00:05
jucar1
but I think is possible to give a ´revolutionary´ terminology... aditional one :)
00:05
Bertl
i like to think the best term is FOS(S/H)
00:05
jucar1
free open source
00:06
Bertl
but for hardware, it's a little more problematic than for software
00:06
jucar1
yes
00:06
jucar1
I know, but since your project is too good ,
00:06
Bertl
especially as hardware cannot be copied for basically nothing
00:06
jucar1
and too important,
00:06
jucar1
yes of course
00:06
jucar1
will be interesting to open some relation with people of the 3d printers too,
00:07
Bertl
yes, a lot of stuff will be possible with 3D replication in the near future
00:07
jucar1
yes
00:07
Bertl
for example, the lens mount is a good example
00:07
jucar1
prototypes of the external cases
00:07
jucar1
yes
00:08
Bertl
with the design available, as soon as the technology is available, it can be 'printed' at home
00:08
jucar1
but not only this part probably where to mount the hw
00:08
jucar1
too
00:08
jucar1
yes
00:08
jucar1
there is a good group at the turin politecnico
00:08
jucar1
I met some of them , they won some competition on 3d printing
00:09
jucar1
they found some solution in some technical stuff
00:09
Bertl
well, bring them in, get them interested in axiom or other apertus stuff :)
00:09
jucar1
what do you need as help mainly ?
00:09
jucar1
they are very good people
00:09
Bertl
at the moment, we are focused on the prototype
00:09
jucar1
enthusiastic too
00:10
jucar1
aha
00:10
Bertl
we have a version of the lens mount
00:10
jucar1
and for prototype what are the priorities ?
00:11
jucar1
this of the lens mount is a very crutial thing
00:11
jucar1
if people can use lots of different lenses
00:11
jucar1
I think they are very very good old russian lenses and not expensive at all
00:13
jucar1
as I told you I can ask some good 3d persons for give style in prototype
00:13
jucar1
but this is probably too soon
00:13
Bertl
http://paste.linux-vserver.org/24995
00:13
Bertl
those are basically the steps for the prototype and the current status
00:13
jucar1
lets see
00:14
jucar1
why linux-vserver.org ?
00:14
jucar1
some of you is working with vserver dev ?
00:14
Bertl
yes, I am, but actually I jsut had it open
00:14
Bertl
(i.e. could have been any other pastebin as well)
00:14
jucar1
oh, good
00:14
jucar1
I use lots of vserver
00:14
jucar1
ah
00:15
jucar1
do you know lu_zero a gentoo developper from italy ?
00:15
jucar1
he is very very good in hw
00:15
jucar1
I think is possible to ask him for help , is a friend
00:15
jucar1
luca barbato is his name
00:15
Bertl
no, I don't know him
00:15
jucar1
he is a ffmpeg dev too
00:15
jucar1
now in the ffmpeg fork
00:15
jucar1
I think can also be interesting for software developpment
00:16
jucar1
for this project
00:16
Bertl
sure, any help and any interested person is welcome
00:16
jucar1
they have been working a lot with streaming
00:17
jucar1
I ll talk to him tomorrow
00:17
jucar1
also some other guy working very good with arduino
00:17
jucar1
let me check
00:19
jucar1
where can I find what you did for the lens mount ?
00:19
jucar1
is possible to take a look ?
00:22
jucar1
is there some people interested on the open film making news portal website ?
00:22
jucar1
or not yet ?
00:38
Bertl
let me see if I can find the data for the lens mount
00:39
jucar1
with calm
00:39
jucar1
is some one doing the portal for open film making ?
00:40
Bertl
maybe, no idea here, you have to contact sebastian for that stuff
00:41
jucar1
good
00:41
Bertl
https://github.com/apertus-open-source-cinema/alpha-hardware/tree/master/Nikon-F-Mount
00:41
jucar1
i´am flying to India soon , and will meet people of the ikff , which is interesting because if ffrom state
00:42
jucar1
they were very interested in blender project, the national institut of cinema of india wanted to use blender for the special effects
00:42
jucar1
I ll see if they can help axiom
00:42
jucar1
they are very up to free software free knowledge
00:42
jucar1
is a question of their philosophy
00:42
Bertl
yeah, blender is a nice tool and the foundation makes interesting movies
00:42
jucar1
because
00:42
jucar1
well the movies they do are not interesting :) they are technically interesting :)
00:43
jucar1
roosendal was supoused to go to india because of this
00:43
jucar1
anyway the indians are very up to share knowledge, in fact they had done the traditional knwoledge data base
00:43
jucar1
to avoid multinationals to put patents to this ayurvedic nowledge and so on
00:44
jucar1
all of this due to they can not stand that sanscrit was a language to ´not´ share knwoledge
00:44
jucar1
only the high casts knew sanscrit
00:44
jucar1
then they refuse the idea to NOT share knowledge
00:44
jucar1
for this is that in Trivandrum in Kerala they have all schools with free software
00:44
jucar1
and work a lot into free hw projects too
00:44
jucar1
lets see
00:45
jucar1
thanks for the url github
00:46
jucar1
in needed to split this mount , to be able to use different lenses from other brands
00:46
jucar1
not only nikon F
00:46
jucar1
but this is not difficult
00:48
Bertl
on the other end, it might also make sense to have different sensors, so yes, different adapters or a system of adapters will be required
00:48
jucar1
yes
00:49
jucar1
will be interesting to make them compattible with the not expensive stuff around too
00:49
jucar1
rings and so on for close up ecc
00:49
jucar1
is an interesting system
00:49
jucar1
sort like the cokin filters the french ones
00:49
jucar1
http://www.cokin.co.uk/
00:50
jucar1
interesting this part
00:50
jucar1
let me see how can I help and some friends
00:51
jucar1
of course thinking in manual focusing and so on
00:51
jucar1
with electronig stuff in the middle is more complex to make an universal device
00:52
Bertl
sounds interesting (the filter stuff)
00:52
jucar1
yes
00:52
jucar1
and they are very inexpensive
00:53
jucar1
I think will be interesting to do an study of what is available some places
00:53
jucar1
to think to consider this on the design of prototype.
00:53
Bertl
what would be the price for e.g. a simple color filter?
00:53
jucar1
oh, now I have not idea, but not expensive
00:53
jucar1
usually they sell sort of sets of filters
00:53
jucar1
since the filter is separated from the ring
00:54
Bertl
yeah, no problem, was just curious
00:54
jucar1
then you can have all the filters for many different rings and lenses
00:54
jucar1
I can see
00:54
jucar1
i´ĺl tell you
00:54
jucar1
they have all kinds of from pola to whatever you need
00:54
Bertl
that would be appreciated, thanks
00:54
jucar1
as soon as I have idea I ll tell you
00:54
jucar1
also will be interesing to consider this kind of sutff
00:54
jucar1
http://www.ebay.it/sch/i.html?_odkw=luce+kobo+reader&_osacat=0&_from=R40&LH_PrefLoc=1&_trksid=m570.l3201&_nkw=lens+adapters+&_sacat=0
00:55
jucar1
the lens adapters
00:55
Bertl
take your time, it's not urgent
00:55
jucar1
i´ll start making a list and then i´ll give it to you
00:56
jucar1
probably I can edit some wiki some part
00:56
jucar1
I have some
00:56
jucar1
or I just install one
00:57
jucar1
lets see also the angenieux lenses
00:57
jucar1
http://www.ebay.it/sch/i.html?_trksid=p4069.m570.l1313&_nkw=angenieux&_sacat=0&_from=R40
00:59
jucar1
probably is possible to build a sort of semi-universal adapter for lenses
01:00
jucar1
lets see many of the bayonnetes of different ones to see if possible
01:00
Bertl
maybe, the sensor side is basically fixed by the shape of the ceramic sensor case
01:00
jucar1
also will be interesting probably to deal directly with the cokin persons
01:00
jucar1
yes
01:00
jucar1
but why not to ask them ?
01:00
jucar1
probably they can manufacture cheap pieces specially for axiom :)
01:01
jucar1
can be a good source of making more money for them
01:01
jucar1
and the project will explode
01:01
jucar1
since they are already used to do adapters, they know very well their different kinds
01:01
Bertl
sure, but I'm the wrong person for lenses and lens mounts ... i.e. not my area of expertise :)
01:02
jucar1
just chatting
01:02
jucar1
in ebay 5 cokin filters 57 euro
01:03
Bertl
sure, no problem, just don't expect any on-topic input from my side :)
01:03
jucar1
the adapter 10 euro
01:03
Bertl
that's quite affordable, indeed
01:03
jucar1
don´t worry i´am just psycho :)
01:03
jucar1
yes, and I am sure is possible to find less expensive too
01:04
jucar1
but consider if you buy a set of filters then you can use them on all the lenses
01:04
jucar1
look 7 filters for 29
01:04
jucar1
in ebay
01:04
jucar1
and I think is possible also to use with their adapters some other filters
01:05
jucar1
also possible to ´build´ filters
01:05
jucar1
6 filters 20 euros
01:05
jucar1
10 filters 25 euro
01:05
jucar1
http://www.ebay.it/itm/FILTRI-VARI-COKIN-IN-BLOCCO-/111067125006?pt=Accessori_per_Digitali&hash=item19dc1dd50e&_uhb=1
01:10
jucar1
I ll see if for february maximum I can have my axiiom
01:12
jucar1
probably will be interesting to talk to some technical schools like the itis in italy
01:12
jucar1
and other countries
01:12
jucar1
to make the design of some parts as an education project
01:12
jucar1
the lenses attach can be one part
01:12
Bertl
sounds good
01:12
jucar1
I think is possible
01:12
jucar1
because 2 reasons
01:13
jucar1
a) going forward
01:13
jucar1
b) spreading project
01:13
jucar1
at least 2 reasosns
01:16
Bertl
I'm all for it
01:17
jucar1
well, i´ll talk to this guys I told you , they can help in a small italian side
01:17
jucar1
and also will talk to people in india
01:17
jucar1
in india they are very good
01:17
jucar1
and they will be enthusiastic with the possibility of doing movies with this cameras
01:19
jucar1
you know, india is very surprising
01:19
jucar1
each college do often sort of presentation also in the street of the research of their students
01:19
jucar1
and what surprises is their research
01:19
jucar1
in robotics, programming and so on
01:19
jucar1
unviliebable
01:19
jucar1
lots and lots
01:19
jucar1
thining is very common there :)
01:20
jucar1
I learned that at school the students (I don´t know if everyplace) need to learn till multiplication table of 16 :)
01:20
jucar1
just to ´start´
01:21
Bertl
well, my experiences with folks from india are mixed
01:21
jucar1
of course
01:21
jucar1
india is very big
01:21
Bertl
some know their stuff surprisingly well, others just think they know, but in fact they know nothing
01:21
jucar1
and probably I know due to free software movement, particular ones
01:21
jucar1
yes
01:22
Bertl
but yes, large country and quite diversive
01:22
jucar1
I go very often to kerala, there is very known because the analphabetism is practically 0 per cent
01:22
jucar1
yes
01:22
jucar1
kerala too is the smallest state 35.000.000 persons
01:22
jucar1
for them
01:22
jucar1
and very particular
01:32
Bertl
ah, I'm off to bed now ... really tired ... thanks for the chat and keep them ideas coming
01:34
jucar1
ok
01:34
jucar1
see you tomorrow
01:34
jucar1
I go for bach :)
01:34
jucar1
I ll start writing
01:34
jucar1
ciao
01:34
jucar1
Gute Nacht
04:53
jucar1
left the channel
10:34
Bertl
morning everyone!
11:53
dmj_nova
morning Bertl