23:35  | Bertl  |     back now ...
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23:45  | jucar1  |     hello
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23:46  | Bertl  |     hey jucar1! how's going?
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00:01  | jucar1  |     back, good and you ?
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00:01  | Bertl  |     a little tired, but otherwise fine, thanks!
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00:01  | jucar1  |     now temperature here in country side is good
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00:01  | jucar1  |     was very hot before
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00:02  | jucar1  |     why denomination open source cinema and not free source cinema ?
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00:02  | jucar1  |     accoriding with stallman´s proposals ?
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00:03  | Bertl  |     well, free sounds like give-away, and nowadays, that mostly means that you get something without paying for it, but that's it
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00:04  | jucar1  |     why don´t ´libre´ ?
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00:04  | Bertl  |     (like free beer)
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00:04  | jucar1  |     I think that is an important issue :)
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00:04  | Bertl  |     but we want to be 'open' in many ways
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00:04  | Bertl  |     i.e. open with the interfaces
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00:04  | jucar1  |     well, with ´libre´ we can give an accent to the nomination
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00:04  | Bertl  |     open in the knowledge exchange
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00:04  | jucar1  |     yes, I understand they are the principles of free software
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00:04  | jucar1  |     the problem is the word free in english I know
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00:05  | jucar1  |     but I think is possible to give a ´revolutionary´ terminology... aditional one :)
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00:05  | Bertl  |     i like to think the best term is FOS(S/H)
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00:05  | jucar1  |     free open source
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00:06  | Bertl  |     but for hardware, it's a little more problematic than for software
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00:06  | jucar1  |     yes
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00:06  | jucar1  |     I know, but since your project is too good ,
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00:06  | Bertl  |     especially as hardware cannot be copied for basically nothing
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00:06  | jucar1  |     and too important,
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00:06  | jucar1  |     yes of course
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00:06  | jucar1  |     will be interesting to open some relation with people of the 3d printers too,
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00:07  | Bertl  |     yes, a lot of stuff will be possible with 3D replication in the near future
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00:07  | jucar1  |     yes
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00:07  | Bertl  |     for example, the lens mount is a good example
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00:07  | jucar1  |     prototypes of the external cases
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00:07  | jucar1  |     yes
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00:08  | Bertl  |     with the design available, as soon as the technology is available, it can be 'printed' at home
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00:08  | jucar1  |     but not only this part probably where to mount the hw
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00:08  | jucar1  |     too
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00:08  | jucar1  |     yes
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00:08  | jucar1  |     there is a good group at the turin politecnico
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00:08  | jucar1  |     I met some of them , they won some competition on 3d printing
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00:09  | jucar1  |     they found some solution in some technical stuff
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00:09  | Bertl  |     well, bring them in, get them interested in axiom or other apertus stuff :)
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00:09  | jucar1  |     what do you need as help mainly ?
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00:09  | jucar1  |     they are very good people
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00:09  | Bertl  |     at the moment, we are focused on the prototype
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00:09  | jucar1  |     enthusiastic too
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00:10  | jucar1  |     aha
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00:10  | Bertl  |     we have a version of the lens mount
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00:10  | jucar1  |     and for prototype what are the priorities ?
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00:11  | jucar1  |     this of the lens mount is a very crutial thing
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00:11  | jucar1  |     if people can use lots of different lenses
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00:11  | jucar1  |     I think they are very very good old russian lenses and not expensive at all
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00:13  | jucar1  |     as I told you I can ask some good 3d persons for give style in prototype
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00:13  | jucar1  |     but this is probably too soon
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00:13  | Bertl  |     http://paste.linux-vserver.org/24995
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00:13  | Bertl  |     those are basically the steps for the prototype and the current status
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00:13  | jucar1  |     lets see
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00:14  | jucar1  |     why linux-vserver.org ?
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00:14  | jucar1  |     some of you is working with vserver dev ?
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00:14  | Bertl  |     yes, I am, but actually I jsut had it open 
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00:14  | Bertl  |     (i.e. could have been any other pastebin as well)
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00:14  | jucar1  |     oh, good
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00:14  | jucar1  |     I use lots of vserver
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00:14  | jucar1  |     ah
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00:15  | jucar1  |     do you know lu_zero a gentoo developper from italy ?
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00:15  | jucar1  |     he is very very good in hw
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00:15  | jucar1  |     I think is possible to ask him for help , is a friend
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00:15  | jucar1  |     luca barbato is his name
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00:15  | Bertl  |     no, I don't know him
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00:15  | jucar1  |     he is a ffmpeg dev too
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00:15  | jucar1  |     now in the ffmpeg fork
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00:15  | jucar1  |     I think can also be interesting for software developpment
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00:16  | jucar1  |     for this project
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00:16  | Bertl  |     sure, any help and any interested person is welcome
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00:16  | jucar1  |     they have been working a lot with streaming
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00:17  | jucar1  |     I ll talk to him tomorrow
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00:17  | jucar1  |     also some other guy working very good with arduino
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00:17  | jucar1  |     let me check
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00:19  | jucar1  |     where can I find what you did for the lens mount ?
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00:19  | jucar1  |     is possible to take a look ?
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00:22  | jucar1  |     is there some people interested on the open film making news portal website ?
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00:22  | jucar1  |     or not yet ?
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00:38  | Bertl  |     let me see if I can find the data for the lens mount
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00:39  | jucar1  |     with calm
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00:39  | jucar1  |     is some one doing the portal for open film making ?
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00:40  | Bertl  |     maybe, no idea here, you have to contact sebastian for that stuff
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00:41  | jucar1  |     good
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00:41  | Bertl  |     https://github.com/apertus-open-source-cinema/alpha-hardware/tree/master/Nikon-F-Mount
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00:41  | jucar1  |     i´am flying to India soon , and will meet people of the ikff , which is interesting because if ffrom state
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00:42  | jucar1  |     they were very interested in blender project, the national institut of cinema of india wanted to use blender for the special effects
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00:42  | jucar1  |     I ll see if they can help axiom
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00:42  | jucar1  |     they are very up to free software free knowledge
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00:42  | jucar1  |     is a question of their philosophy
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00:42  | Bertl  |     yeah, blender is a nice tool and the foundation makes interesting movies
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00:42  | jucar1  |     because
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00:42  | jucar1  |     well the movies they do are not interesting :) they are technically interesting :)
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00:43  | jucar1  |     roosendal was supoused to go to india because of this
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00:43  | jucar1  |     anyway the indians are very up to share knowledge, in fact they had done the traditional knwoledge data base
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00:43  | jucar1  |     to avoid multinationals to put patents to this ayurvedic nowledge and so on
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00:44  | jucar1  |     all of this due to they can not stand that sanscrit was a language to ´not´ share knwoledge
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00:44  | jucar1  |     only the high casts knew sanscrit
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00:44  | jucar1  |     then they refuse the idea to NOT share knowledge
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00:44  | jucar1  |     for this is that in Trivandrum in Kerala they have all schools with free software
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00:44  | jucar1  |     and work a lot into free hw projects too
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00:44  | jucar1  |     lets see
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00:45  | jucar1  |     thanks for the url github
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00:46  | jucar1  |     in needed to split this mount , to be able to use different lenses from other brands
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00:46  | jucar1  |     not only nikon F
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00:46  | jucar1  |     but this is not difficult
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00:48  | Bertl  |     on the other end, it might also make sense to have different sensors, so yes, different adapters or a system of adapters will be required
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00:48  | jucar1  |     yes
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00:49  | jucar1  |     will be interesting to make them compattible with the not expensive stuff around too
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00:49  | jucar1  |     rings and so on for close up ecc
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00:49  | jucar1  |     is an interesting system
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00:49  | jucar1  |     sort like the cokin filters the french ones
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00:49  | jucar1  |     http://www.cokin.co.uk/
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00:50  | jucar1  |     interesting this part
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00:50  | jucar1  |     let me see how can I help and some friends
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00:51  | jucar1  |     of course thinking in manual focusing and so on
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00:51  | jucar1  |     with electronig stuff in the middle is more complex to make an universal device
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00:52  | Bertl  |     sounds interesting (the filter stuff)
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00:52  | jucar1  |     yes
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00:52  | jucar1  |     and they are very inexpensive
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00:53  | jucar1  |     I think will be interesting to do an study of what is available some places
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00:53  | jucar1  |     to think to consider this on the design of prototype.
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00:53  | Bertl  |     what would be the price for e.g. a simple color filter?
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00:53  | jucar1  |     oh, now I have not idea, but not expensive
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00:53  | jucar1  |     usually they sell sort of sets of filters
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00:53  | jucar1  |     since the filter is separated from the ring
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00:54  | Bertl  |     yeah, no problem, was just curious
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00:54  | jucar1  |     then you can have all the filters for many different rings and lenses
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00:54  | jucar1  |     I can see
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00:54  | jucar1  |     i´ĺl tell you
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00:54  | jucar1  |     they have all kinds of from pola to whatever you need
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00:54  | Bertl  |     that would be appreciated, thanks
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00:54  | jucar1  |     as soon as I have idea I ll tell you
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00:54  | jucar1  |     also will be interesing to consider this kind of sutff
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00:54  | jucar1  |     http://www.ebay.it/sch/i.html?_odkw=luce+kobo+reader&_osacat=0&_from=R40&LH_PrefLoc=1&_trksid=m570.l3201&_nkw=lens+adapters+&_sacat=0
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00:55  | jucar1  |     the lens adapters
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00:55  | Bertl  |     take your time, it's not urgent
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00:55  | jucar1  |     i´ll start making a list and then i´ll give it to you
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00:56  | jucar1  |     probably I can edit some wiki some part
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00:56  | jucar1  |     I have some
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00:56  | jucar1  |     or I just install one
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00:57  | jucar1  |     lets see also the angenieux lenses
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00:57  | jucar1  |     http://www.ebay.it/sch/i.html?_trksid=p4069.m570.l1313&_nkw=angenieux&_sacat=0&_from=R40
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00:59  | jucar1  |     probably is possible to build a sort of semi-universal adapter for lenses
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01:00  | jucar1  |     lets see many of the bayonnetes of different ones to see if possible
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01:00  | Bertl  |     maybe, the sensor side is basically fixed by the shape of the ceramic sensor case
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01:00  | jucar1  |     also will be interesting probably to deal directly with the cokin persons
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01:00  | jucar1  |     yes
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01:00  | jucar1  |     but why not to ask them ?
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01:00  | jucar1  |     probably they can manufacture cheap pieces specially for axiom :)
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01:01  | jucar1  |     can be a good source of making more money for them
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01:01  | jucar1  |     and the project will explode
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01:01  | jucar1  |     since they are already used to do adapters, they know very well their different kinds
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01:01  | Bertl  |     sure, but I'm the wrong person for lenses and lens mounts ... i.e. not my area of expertise :)
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01:02  | jucar1  |     just chatting
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01:02  | jucar1  |     in ebay 5 cokin filters 57 euro
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01:03  | Bertl  |     sure, no problem, just don't expect any on-topic input from my side :)
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01:03  | jucar1  |     the adapter 10 euro
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01:03  | Bertl  |     that's quite affordable, indeed
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01:03  | jucar1  |     don´t worry i´am just psycho :)
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01:03  | jucar1  |     yes, and I am sure is possible to find less expensive too
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01:04  | jucar1  |     but consider if you buy a set of filters then you can use them on all the lenses
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01:04  | jucar1  |     look 7 filters for 29
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01:04  | jucar1  |     in ebay
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01:04  | jucar1  |     and I think is possible also to use with their adapters some other filters
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01:05  | jucar1  |     also possible to ´build´ filters
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01:05  | jucar1  |     6 filters 20 euros
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01:05  | jucar1  |     10 filters 25 euro
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01:05  | jucar1  |     http://www.ebay.it/itm/FILTRI-VARI-COKIN-IN-BLOCCO-/111067125006?pt=Accessori_per_Digitali&hash=item19dc1dd50e&_uhb=1
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01:10  | jucar1  |     I ll see if for february maximum I can have my axiiom
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01:12  | jucar1  |     probably will be interesting to talk to some technical schools like the itis in italy
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01:12  | jucar1  |     and other countries
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01:12  | jucar1  |     to make the design of some parts as an education project
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01:12  | jucar1  |     the lenses attach can be one part
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01:12  | Bertl  |     sounds good
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01:12  | jucar1  |     I think is possible
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01:12  | jucar1  |     because 2 reasons
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01:13  | jucar1  |     a) going forward
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01:13  | jucar1  |     b) spreading project
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01:13  | jucar1  |     at least 2 reasosns
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01:16  | Bertl  |     I'm all for it
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01:17  | jucar1  |     well, i´ll talk to this guys I told you , they can help in a small italian side
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01:17  | jucar1  |     and also will talk to people in india
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01:17  | jucar1  |     in india they are very good
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01:17  | jucar1  |     and they will be enthusiastic with the possibility of doing movies with this cameras
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01:19  | jucar1  |     you know, india is very surprising
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01:19  | jucar1  |     each college do often sort of presentation also in the street of the research of their students
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01:19  | jucar1  |     and what surprises is their research
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01:19  | jucar1  |     in robotics, programming and so on
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01:19  | jucar1  |     unviliebable
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01:19  | jucar1  |     lots and lots
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01:19  | jucar1  |     thining is very common there :)
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01:20  | jucar1  |     I learned that at school the students (I don´t know if everyplace) need to learn till multiplication table of 16 :)
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01:20  | jucar1  |     just to ´start´
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01:21  | Bertl  |     well, my experiences with folks from india are mixed
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01:21  | jucar1  |     of course
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01:21  | jucar1  |     india is very big
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01:21  | Bertl  |     some know their stuff surprisingly well, others just think they know, but in fact they know nothing
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01:21  | jucar1  |     and probably I know due to free software movement, particular ones
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01:21  | jucar1  |     yes
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01:22  | Bertl  |     but yes, large country and quite diversive
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01:22  | jucar1  |     I go very often to kerala, there is very known because the analphabetism is practically 0 per cent
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01:22  | jucar1  |     yes
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01:22  | jucar1  |     kerala too is the smallest state 35.000.000 persons
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01:22  | jucar1  |     for them
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01:22  | jucar1  |     and very particular
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01:32  | Bertl  |     ah, I'm off to bed now ... really tired ... thanks for the chat and keep them ideas coming
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01:34  | jucar1  |     ok
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01:34  | jucar1  |     see you tomorrow
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01:34  | jucar1  |     I go for bach :)
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01:34  | jucar1  |     I ll start writing
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01:34  | jucar1  |     ciao
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01:34  | jucar1  |     Gute Nacht
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10:34  | Bertl  |     morning everyone!
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11:53  | dmj_nova  |     morning Bertl
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