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Bertl
morning folks!
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RexOrCine
MichaelH - Anything else inbound?
18:58
MichaelH
Currently im checking the measures in the models for the visualizations, i think there were some scaling issues
19:07
RexOrCine
I'm not sure about the use of Arri lenses as a constant, or rather, it would be good to employ a constant, and I'm not convinced that Arri would be the best move in this respect. So while that issue is being thought about I would just keep it...
19:08
RexOrCine
... in mind when thinking about spending time on lens work.
19:13
MichaelH
The Arri Lens has a front diameter of 95 mm
19:13
MichaelH
axiom Body has a hight of 86mm
19:13
intracube
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19:14
MichaelH
E-mount has a outer diameter of 46mm
19:17
RexOrCine
Understood. This comes down to the potential for advertising another camera manufacturer. I wouldn't like to come back saying "Yeah we've decided not to use Arri in promo" after you'd spent a lot of time getting the look just right, see what I mean?
19:18
MichaelH
Yes of course, but i think its important to show real scale units, otherwise some people could get the wrong idea
19:19
MichaelH
Also I think the mount i visualized have also the wrong diameter for the e mount
19:20
RexOrCine
Right.
19:21
MichaelH
https://lab.apertus.org/file/data/wustcjhzmqk7ow3btrdm/PHID-FILE-wqewgeiyf5w2um6hgvsp/Scales.jpg
19:21
MichaelH
This is the problem I'm having right now :)
19:23
MichaelH
wrong file
19:23
MichaelH
https://lab.apertus.org/file/data/smlkehorbonwqj2u6hwf/PHID-FILE-5o3e6rrm5ckmgm5i5elo/Scales.jpg
19:23
RexOrCine
I wonder if you could get around it by including a cheeseplate maybe?
19:25
MichaelH
Yes I also thought about it, get this thing on a kind of a rig. but i have the fear that it will have too much visual noise and camera isn't in focus anymore
19:26
MichaelH
maybe just create another lens that would fit and also have an e-mount so we don't need to show an adaptor
19:26
RexOrCine
eg http://hdvideoshop.com/529-home_default/smallrig-cheese-plate-multi-purpose-mounting-plate-.jpg
19:27
BAndiT1983
you could create a cheese plate or simple rif as silhouette/shadow, so the camera stands out
19:27
BAndiT1983
*rig
19:28
RexOrCine
Precisely. This is what I mean though, the lens is of secondary importance really. However, and like I say I'd rather we knew precisely what lens brand we might use generally in promo, Tokina seem like a good fit. We'd probably need a few days...
19:29
RexOrCine
... or discussion/interaction in order to settle on a particular brand.
19:29
RexOrCine
of discussion*
19:30
MichaelH
or just create generic lens, remove the logos of brand etc
19:31
MichaelH
But I'm not shure if this would be a good idea
19:31
RexOrCine
Well it would be good to get a relationship forming. I'm in the process of paving the way for that now but it'll likely take a few days.
19:31
BAndiT1983
generic lens is a way to go at the moment
19:32
BAndiT1983
as you already have a model, which is easily reworkable for that
19:33
RexOrCine
Exactly. Just removing the logo would create the potential for problems with regards to intellectual property.
19:33
BAndiT1983
one thing which i mentioned yesterday, but it disappeared in chat somewhere, the knobs should be a little bit smaller and a little bit more round
19:33
MichaelH
Yes Bandit, jus remove the arri from the texture and scale the lens a bit down, this should work for now.
19:33
RexOrCine
Yeah.
19:33
BAndiT1983
what about the mount of the lens, is it custom or arri one?
19:34
MichaelH
As long as the enclousre body is not ready, it isn't that important to get a real lens
19:34
MichaelH
the mount is custom, but i suggest just to remove it
19:35
MichaelH
and just pretend that the generic lens has an e mount
19:36
RexOrCine
It may actually be beneficial for me to have images of the camera with an Arri lens mounted, but all i was saying was, I wouldn't worry too much about being precise or spending too much time on the lens aspect.
19:36
RexOrCine
... for now.
19:38
MichaelH
Of course we could also let it like it was, but i think if somebody realy have this lens and know how big it is, it maybe would be confusing if the body is bigger in the picture
19:39
BAndiT1983
it's just the abscence of the rig which is irritating in the matter of relative sizes
19:41
BAndiT1983
not what i was looking for, but also nice -> http://www.emp3d.com/data/articles/c7ae14dd-a197-4340-a922-1d1be26c583c/fisheyelenstute2.html
19:42
BAndiT1983
was just searching for presentations of camera producers, to get an idea
19:42
BAndiT1983
we need something like that, but inverted of course -> https://s3.amazonaws.com/lenspro-media-prod/product_img/2016/04/05/arri_alexa_mini-1.jpg.600x415_q85.jpg
19:43
BAndiT1983
with much less details, just simplistic representation, so the people get the idea
19:45
MichaelH
ours would more look like this
19:45
MichaelH
https://www.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.arri.com%2Fuploads%2Fpics%2FKit-for-Blackmagic-Pocket-Camera_04.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.arri.com%2Fcamera%2Fpro_camera_accessories%2Fproducts%2Fsuggested_kits%2Fblackmagic%2Fblackmagic_pocket_camera%2F%3Fnode_id%3D52fe7bb23baf673c1003761a&docid=2rREWuePyj6yXM&tbnid=80uN9L9F6zsrwM%3A&vet=1&w=1528&h=860&bih=944&biw=1680&q=blackmagic%20arri%20lens&ved=0ahUKEwi
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MichaelH
T1Lec-aHSAhXMliwKHbE1D4s4yAEQMwgJKAcwBw&iact=mrc&uact=8#h=860&imgrc=80uN9L9F6zsrwM:&vet=1&w=1528
19:45
MichaelH
in scale
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MichaelH
:D
19:46
BAndiT1983
oha, hunting bitds with bazooka it seems ;)
19:46
BAndiT1983
*birds
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BAndiT1983
what are the many screwholes for?
19:47
MichaelH
maybe just holes for weight reduction :)
19:48
BAndiT1983
or for extending the features -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRC1y1xhIkI
19:48
BAndiT1983
:D
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BAndiT1983
was just wondering, case there are screws all around on this thing
19:48
MichaelH
hahaha
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BAndiT1983
*cause, damn keyboard, maybe battery dies slowly
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BAndiT1983
this thing disturbs me more -> https://www.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.arri.com%2Fuploads%2Fpics%2FKit-for-Blackmagic-Pocket-Camera_04.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.arri.com%2Fcamera%2Fpro_camera_accessories%2Fproducts%2Fsuggested_kits%2Fblackmagic%2Fblackmagic_pocket_camera%2F%3Fnode_id%3D52fe7bb23baf673c1003761a&docid=2rREWuePyj6yXM&tbnid=80uN9L9F6zsrwM%3A&vet=1&w=1528&h=860&bih=944&biw=1680&q=blackmagic%20arri%20lens&ved=0ahUKEwi#
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BAndiT1983
h=860&imgdii=1WMBBTpQrKtDnM:&imgrc=80uN9L9F6zsrwM:&vet=1&w=1528
20:03
MichaelH
yes just looks to much
20:05
BAndiT1983
but they have some nice pictures with different lenses -> https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/blackmagicpocketcinemacamera
20:05
RexOrCine
They're for attaching arms, for EVFs, ballast etc. https://lensvid.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/rig-side.jpg
20:06
BAndiT1983
ah, good to know, i'm not deeply involved in film making, just doing post-processing and CGI for hobby film group, so my knowledge is rather limited in that area
20:16
MichaelH
https://grabcad.com/library/dslr-rig-15mm-rod-baseplate-mount-rail-support-for-follow-focus-mattebox-5d2-5d3-1
20:16
MichaelH
maybe just use something like this for now
20:17
BAndiT1983
looks good
20:18
BAndiT1983
oh, nice, they have 3d viewer embedded into page, very helpful
20:18
MichaelH
yes but im not shure how they are dealing with copyright
20:20
BAndiT1983
hm, terms of use are saying that the author is responsible for the content
20:20
BAndiT1983
The Website may also contain material that violates the privacy or publicity rights, or infringes the intellectual property and other proprietary rights, of third parties, or the downloading, copying or use of which is subject to additional terms and conditions, stated or unstated.
20:23
BAndiT1983
CAD models from the GrabCAD Community free CAD Library are for private use only.
20:23
BAndiT1983
This means for any commercial uses (like marketing, manufacturing, etc.) you need to ask the member who posted the model for extra permissions. Some examples of private use are educational self-directed learning, creating a concept design for internal use, etc. For non-commercial but public use, like sharing on social media or using a model that you render and post on GrabCAD, please attribute the author and link to the original model on GrabCAD.
20:23
MichaelH
okay if we use it we have to give credit as i understand
20:24
BAndiT1983
maybe contacting the author would help, just as idea
20:25
BAndiT1983
the model is nothing special, so i don't think that there would be much to it
20:25
MichaelH
would be too easy
20:25
MichaelH
:)
20:25
MichaelH
yes, wouldn't also be a big deal to model something like this
20:25
MichaelH
not such a big deal
20:26
BAndiT1983
that was the thing, which i omitted from my answer ;) didn't want to bother you with modelling too much
20:28
BAndiT1983
here the license is visible -> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2001653
20:28
BAndiT1983
maybe we can find something at 3d printing archives
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MichaelH
will think about it tomorrow, off to bed now, good night everyone
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Bertl_oO
off for a nap ... bbl
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