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12:02 | Bertl | morning folks!
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12:59 | shebin_joseph | hello
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13:02 | shebin_joseph | i just got my account approved
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13:02 | shebin_joseph | what can i do next ?
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13:03 | Bertl | you can look at the tasks we have this year and see what interests you, then start working on the challenge tasks
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13:04 | shebin_joseph | are they for GSoc ?
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13:04 | Bertl | https://lab.apertus.org/project/view/20/
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13:07 | shebin_joseph | should i do the "C++ challenge " inorder to my contribution ?
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13:07 | Bertl | if you just want to 'contribute' to apertus, you do not need to do any challenges
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13:08 | Bertl | we will have adapted/new tasks next year with 'new' challenges for GSoC 2020
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13:09 | Bertl | but it's probably a good start to dig into those challenge tasks to get an idea
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13:10 | shebin_joseph | actually,I am not familiar with the image processing in C++.Can you suggest me some good website from which I can learn them ?
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13:10 | Bertl | check with BAndiT1983, he is the C++ person here
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13:15 | shebin_joseph | okay.thank you
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13:18 | shebin_joseph | sir,Can you help me to clear one of my confusion ?.I am a started in the IT field,I would like to get internship as fast as possible in my bachelors degree as well as gain a side income as a freelancer.Can you suggest me which domain of computer science I should focus inorder to do so
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13:22 | BAndiT1983 | hi shebin_joseph
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13:23 | shebin_joseph | hi sir
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13:23 | BAndiT1983 | first advice, please don't use sir, it looks a bit awkward around here
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13:24 | shebin_joseph | okay:]
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13:24 | BAndiT1983 | you've asked for resources about image processing, can't tell you one directly, as google is full of a lot of good tutorials on that
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13:25 | BAndiT1983 | do you have an area, where you are interested in?
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13:26 | BAndiT1983 | some nice short examples -> https://efxa.org/2018/06/25/digital-image-processing-algorithms-implemented-with-c-and-opencv/
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13:27 | shebin_joseph | Actually,I haven't explored many area.comouter science and its domain are so vast so cant decide to go for what and not familiar with many
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13:27 | BAndiT1983 | this one also looks helpful to get started -> https://www.visiononline.org/userAssets/aiaUploads/file/T11-%20Image-Processing-Fundamentals.pdf
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13:27 | shebin_joseph | I would like to explore a domain which is in demand,so I can make income through it
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13:28 | BAndiT1983 | to focus on income is one thing, as income is important, but it's more important to focus on what you prefer, so the job is fund and not boring and tedious
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13:29 | shebin_joseph | Actually,I think I more interested in development side
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13:29 | shebin_joseph | but can't decide to go for which
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13:30 | BAndiT1983 | maybe you can base the decision on your hobbies
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13:30 | shebin_joseph | i like coding
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13:30 | BAndiT1983 | anything specific?
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13:31 | Bertl | shebin_joseph: code away then ... try to figure things out on your own ... if you encounter issues on the way which you cannot answer (after trying hard) ask
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13:32 | shebin_joseph | it make me happy if I willl be able to make fully funtional software in less time
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13:32 | shebin_joseph | '=D
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13:32 | BAndiT1983 | some software needs more time, some less, my advice is divide and conquer
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13:33 | Bertl | shebin_joseph: it makes us happy as well if you write fully functional code in little time :)
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13:33 | BAndiT1983 | just split the big software tasks in smaller ones, but keep them interesting, so you can achieve small goals in shorter time
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13:34 | shebin_joseph | my aim right now is financial independence and more high chance to get a good developing job in a good company
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13:35 | BAndiT1983 | what helps is passion for software development and not financial side of things, if the first is there, then the second one is easier to achieve as you can rise in the company faster
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13:37 | BAndiT1983 | software development does not have a single solution for the set goal, but many, so you will become better with experience and be able to set realistic timelines and find proper and maintainable solutions
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13:37 | shebin_joseph | so are you saying that<I should explore all the possible domain in comnputer science and decide which is best for me ?
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13:38 | BAndiT1983 | you can't explore all the areas ;) but what helps is to find what's more interesting for yourself, everybody has different preferences
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13:39 | BAndiT1983 | don't focus too much on money, otherwise you could end in a very boring job
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13:40 | shebin_joseph | i cant find my preference ;( ..
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13:41 | shebin_joseph | what I think is First i want to find a domain which is in trend and most wanted and master it and get placed in a good company
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13:42 | BAndiT1983 | first thing is, that trends end at some point, some sooner, some later
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13:42 | RexOrMatrix[m] | First of all if you stick at it and achieve smaller goals then you'd have a much better chance of being accepted onto the next GSoC. Which sounds like it would be a really significant goal for you to work towards now. Thereafter you'd naturally achieve the other goals you've described.
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13:43 | BAndiT1983 | second thing is, that a trendy stuff would not fit your preferences maybe, then you will be bored out very quickly
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13:43 | RexOrMatrix[m] | You've approached us in good time, which is encouraging. Welcome to the community.
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13:44 | shebin_joseph | thank you RexOrMatrix[m]
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13:44 | shebin_joseph | but i am in a great confusion
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13:44 | shebin_joseph | i want to do the gsoc as i want to prove myself and wan to make my parents pround
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13:45 | shebin_joseph | Only programming language i know is C++ and i think only with C++i cant make complete softwares
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13:45 | RexOrMatrix[m] | That doesn't sound like confusion to me. Do it then,
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13:46 | BAndiT1983 | with C++ i can make a complete software plus conquer the world
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13:46 | shebin_joseph | for that i need to study different languages.
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13:46 | BAndiT1983 | Why do you think is C++ not be able to do a complete software?
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13:47 | BAndiT1983 | different languages help for sure, but it's more important to understand the technology and only the syntax of different languages
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13:47 | shebin_joseph | maybe I havent explored it well ....'=D
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13:49 | RexOrMatrix[m] | Well Bandit is a very experienced programmer, so it would be good practice to listen to him. Have confidence in yourself and stick to it. You'd become familiar with other languages eventually, through C++ anyways.
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13:50 | shebin_joseph | so are you guys sying is to stik on to c++ and explore and try to master it ...rather than learning other language ?
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13:50 | RexOrMatrix[m] | Is C++ a good starting point for other languages Bandit?
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13:50 | BAndiT1983 | C++ is preferred because of speed, some prefer even C for pure experience, other guys take Rust
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13:51 | shebin_joseph | will i be able to do a a GSoC project fully,Just with C++
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13:51 | BAndiT1983 | yes, why do you ask?
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13:52 | shebin_joseph | What i understand from my experience in social media and all is,A software consist of many other lanaguage as many have their own advantages
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13:53 | BAndiT1983 | it depends on the software, used C++ and C# in my first company, then Java and HTML in another one, currently using Java at the new company
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13:53 | shebin_joseph | As a website is not build in one language....It has css,html,v=javascript in its front end and java.php,mysql in its backend
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13:54 | BAndiT1983 | some companies use node.js etc. etc., there is no right or wrong choice, but some languages are more difficult for the task or have other disadvantges like lower performance
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13:55 | BAndiT1983 | javascript and PHP are languages, but not HTML and CSS, also mysql is not directly a programming language
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13:55 | shebin_joseph | i cant get to a conclusion'=(
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13:56 | BAndiT1983 | so don't try to focus too much on the language, but choose a task, check lab.apertus.org, maybe some task would be interesting for you
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13:56 | BAndiT1983 | afterwards we can discuss how to implement things there
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13:57 | shebin_joseph | i need to get placed in a big company at the end of the day....wontt it be a advnatge if I know the language which they work on
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13:57 | RexOrMatrix[m] | Big companies use all languages.
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13:58 | shebin_joseph | =$ =$ ...learning everything is not possible....
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13:58 | shebin_joseph | X)
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13:59 | BAndiT1983 | this would not bring you far in the job, as big companies would not pay much and you will be lost between other workers there, so rising up is problematic
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13:59 | BAndiT1983 | try to learn languages which are established in the IT industry, like Java, C++ etc.
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14:00 | BAndiT1983 | if the company wants something else, like Go, then you could learn it in, more or less, short time
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14:00 | BAndiT1983 | there is no point to learn everything, which is impossible
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14:00 | BAndiT1983 | so the focus should not be a language and big company, but a company with projects which interest you
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14:02 | RexOrMatrix[m] | How did you find apertus? Are you interested in cameras and video?
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14:03 | shebin_joseph | i wanted to participate in GSoC and I wanted to get into a group which uses C++.and I find this project does
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14:03 | Bertl | and we are very early in the alphabetical listing, right?
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14:06 | shebin_joseph | not like that...I explore the ideas of other group and I got the hit by the idea making software to make effective camera application for flim makers
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14:07 | RexOrMatrix[m] | There you are then. And this project can help you with GSoC. Focus on mastering C++, then think about other languages. But sticking to it would be important, as chopping and changing would make achieving your goals less likely.
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14:08 | shebin_joseph | so I should just stick on to C++ ...So i can be able to so a GSoC Project alone
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14:09 | RexOrMatrix[m] | Sounds like it would be a good move.
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14:09 | shebin_joseph | I main doubt is only C++ required in this project ?
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14:09 | BAndiT1983 | shebin_joseph, please explain
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14:10 | RexOrMatrix[m] | There are GSoC tasks purely revolved around C++, yes.
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14:10 | BAndiT1983 | we have dissected tasks in areas/languages
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14:10 | BAndiT1983 | just look at GSoC area at lab.apertus,org
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14:12 | shebin_joseph | actually,GSoC is a program where a opensource organisation make a single student do some development in their project and submit it to google...So only with C++ Language will I be able to do the development ?
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14:12 | BAndiT1983 | please look at my last 2 comments
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14:14 | shebin_joseph | where is it the taks and bug setion ?
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14:15 | BAndiT1983 | GSoC 2019 is listed on the right side, there you can find current tasks, some are done by students at the moment, others were not approached because of lack of interest from students
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14:18 | shebin_joseph | actually,can;t understand the tasks..."Add automatic handling of missing OpenCL support on the system".What this mean ?
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14:20 | BAndiT1983 | we use OpenCL (Open Computing Language) for image processing, which was added last year by a student at GSoC 2018, so if some computer does not have OCL installed, we have to add some checks to guide the user or install right libs automatically, which is a chore on some linux systems, as packages are very different between distros
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14:23 | shebin_joseph | so Is OCL a language like C++ ?
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14:24 | BAndiT1983 | it's similar a bit, but it's more about writing kernels for processing big data blocks
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14:28 | shebin_joseph | so i should OCL to develop this prject ?
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14:28 | shebin_joseph | sorry ,f i am asking very stupid questions
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14:29 | BAndiT1983 | it depends on what you want to select, OCL is related to image processing, but we have plenty of other areas
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14:30 | shebin_joseph | but in GSoC do I have to comeplete the whole software my own...So in that time won't I be dealing with it ?
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14:30 | shebin_joseph | am I right ?
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14:31 | BAndiT1983 | we provide certain tasks (or students can contribute own tasks) which rely on certain technology/language, the student has to write a proposal how to solve it
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14:31 | BAndiT1983 | mentors are there to guide a student, but the main work should be done by student
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14:33 | shebin_joseph | so only a new functionality asked by you to develop or given my student is added in the project ?Is that right ?
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14:33 | BAndiT1983 | if it's done properly, then yes
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14:36 | shebin_joseph | so their can be many task that include the knowledge of different domain,Student can select which he is comfortable with and should develop in the given time period.For example IN next GSoC.I should add a option to make the video file less in size by giving more qulaity...can that be a functionaliy ?
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14:37 | shebin_joseph | if you like my functiuonality you will select me to develop it ...right ?
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14:37 | BAndiT1983 | if the proposal is of high quality and we require the feature, then we certainly would discuss it
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14:38 | shebin_joseph | ohh...now I am getting it...
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14:40 | shebin_joseph | so for to be have more chance to get in next gsoc I should learn more about image processing in gsoc ..right ?
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14:40 | BAndiT1983 | if you want to do image processing, then yes, but we have a lot of other areas too
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14:41 | shebin_joseph | like ?
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14:41 | BAndiT1983 | we provide different challenge tasks, depending on the task, which you have to accomplish before getting on the list of candidates for GSoC
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14:41 | BAndiT1983 | shebin_joseph, please check the GSoC are at lab.apertus.org for more infos
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14:42 | BAndiT1983 | *area
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14:43 | shebin_joseph | is there only one person representing the whole group in gsoc or different person are therte for developing different features ?
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14:44 | BAndiT1983 | every task has mentors list, as we have different people from different areas like electronics
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14:45 | shebin_joseph | so more than to develop every functionality you select different one they should develop it in the given period ?right ?>
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14:48 | BAndiT1983 | of course, or how should a student develop all the features we require?
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14:49 | shebin_joseph | thats right ?'=D
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14:51 | shebin_joseph | so in gsoc 2020...will these be the functionalities to add or will they change ?
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14:52 | BAndiT1983 | some tasks will be carried over, if not finished, new will be added, everything depends on what is demanded and required
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14:53 | shebin_joseph | so can i use the the present version of the application we working on to understand the application more ?
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14:54 | shebin_joseph | like where can i download it from ?
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14:54 | BAndiT1983 | it's all at github
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14:55 | BAndiT1983 | как не умереть книга в германии
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14:55 | BAndiT1983 | sorry worng clipboard
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14:55 | BAndiT1983 | *wrong
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14:55 | BAndiT1983 | https://github.com/apertus-open-source-cinema/
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14:56 | shebin_joseph | ohh,actually these code run in a camera called axiom...not a software which run on computer,right ?
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14:56 | BAndiT1983 | we have different software, some runs on the camera, other runs on the computer for control, post-processing etc.
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15:09 | shebin_joseph | so now i got a picture of the project
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15:12 | shebin_joseph | so to complete the task "Frameserving capabilities for OpenCine" I must know C++,CMake
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15:13 | shebin_joseph | i haven't heard of cmake and systemd..
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15:15 | BAndiT1983 | then you should read about this things, as they are required to be able to complete the task
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15:38 | BAndiT1983 | hi Y_G, how is it going? have commented on trello already
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15:38 | BAndiT1983 | do you need any other guidance?
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15:51 | Y_G | Hi BAndiT1983, Could you help me with the WSServer status .
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15:51 | Y_G | As was thinking to work on it next, as till now have only worked with CLI
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15:52 | Y_G | Need to test if the things work fine from WSServer also.
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15:59 | BAndiT1983 | don't worry about latest comment, you are good on time
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15:59 | BAndiT1983 | have i overlookes WSServer comment?
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16:04 | Y_G | Didn't make any comment about WSServer , but am planning to take on this in the upcoming week.
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16:05 | BAndiT1983 | then please create a small test page, as fixing web UI is much bigger task at the moment, so avoid it if possible
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16:06 | BAndiT1983 | if you check older repo history, then you would find some pieces which could help or just use plain javascript WS code
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16:07 | Y_G | Ok ,will create a similar sample Web UI,and do the testing on it .Wanted to test since the packet structure has changed .
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16:10 | BAndiT1983 | if you need help, then just ping me, as i've accompanied this sub-project from the beginning
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16:16 | Y_G | Sure
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22:45 | se6astian | good night
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22:49 | Bertl | nn
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