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se6astian|away: Worth a read... http://www.hugs.io/2015/04/18/makerbot-and-the-osborne-effect.html

Shooting oneself in the foot isnt the issue so much as changing direction afterwards

It is real.

Its like going outside, being hit by a car, and then deciding to never going outside again, while sawing off your legs.

I am glad they are failing, and i used to be a fan. Hoping the remainder of the staff understand the guy in charge is a muppet and start their own business

And that powdercoated steel cant be done by hand, the lowest of tresholds, is false. So this guy isnt a good businessman, and also either is clueless or lying.

They are failing and blaming osbourne-effect, when the premise isnt the same. And they are following it up by trying to take the worst part of both worlds, then it becomes true osbourne. Minus the passion.

Are they the ones who have the protection on hot-bed for 3d-printer?

The facts are rather clear.

Openpandora

Novena laptop

You can't be serious.

B) Until such point that there is a success, the most valid failures cited are all to be treated with a degree of credence.

Im a bit tired, what are you saying?

They are failing at being closed

I suppose we have different definitions of worked.

Meanwhile employing a muppet to run the company, part of whats bad for them

It worked so well that they randomly chose to adjust a business plan, right?

Or they randomly chose to make that decision?

They made a business decision to be open, they made a business decision to be closed

They made a plan AFTER achieving success? Are you delusional?

To draw a not too distant analogy, if you are winning a sporting event with a given play, you want to change plans to go sideways right?

I get it. Makes good sense.

It is easy to go to the casino with another's money. Equally easy to draw conclusions on business plans.

Its not complex at all

If you look at the story, it plays out like this

It was such a tremendous success they changed plans.

Is either of those statements rational?

Yet that is the only thing making it analogous to the osbourne effect

If you want to learn anything from the osbourne effect, its to not trying to re-do it

Right. So let's see something ship that doesn't suck and return to this.

As soon as makerbots reputation as open is gone, it will be irrelevant as libre anything.

You mean the market that already pays overpriced money for x60 thinkpads?

There is a whole system there.

Lenovo at least has a support infrastructure in place, and they absolutely suck at it compared to say, any high satisfaction company.

It is a challenge.

Being small is business as usual.

The one i just read and commented on?

No, im not. You are saying that i do.

One that is both interesting and non-trivial to solve.

Rather akin to giving out a script and expecting the same level of curiosity and satisfaction upon viewing a film.

Which makes the task potentially more complex.

Example: Folks in Eurowestern culture tend to get excited when they don't know about something... It is bred into the consumer culture.

They haven't shipped a LibreM yet unless I am mistaken?

Uh. Yes.

I said "novena laptop", you said "double please"

If you want an example of libre type company and camera product thats sucessful, the colorhug is it

And whatever those people that developed open source cameras did before they stopped listening to their audience

It is a horrid hot mess.

Explain yourself

It doesn't work.

You make the product, you sell it, you make the support structure, you establish business relations, you get an audience, you create a community

At which point you have say, a 3000$ spectrophotometer, why are you purchasing a 100$ product?

LMAO

I get it.

No, thats what you are saying "my business plan is". I dont know what you mean, but its different from me saying something

Or if hughes was just someone from the street

The one product he didnt make, was a RNG-SD-card, because he discovered similar solutions were already available. Again relying on being open, and community feedback in return.

And dare i say it, successful at what they tried to do.

The novena could never have been a closed source project. And the openpandora project wouldnt exist if it wasnt open, and would die if it tried to close

That is the definition of osbourne-effect. And its not proving to be detrimental.

When all different concepts have been made, the time comes to learn and replace them. Revisioning, keeping backward-compatibility, selling ideas along with sharing them, even partly, is the things that are planned and done now. I dont see that failing in the future

Any and all distinction that can be made from that is good, because its better. That value is directly put across to the product, and said product meets its own, and a broader audience in return.

comradekingu: Sorry went afk sir.

Stay within the form-factor if it makes sense.

(And no easy answer here, not suggesting such.)

You can charge quite handsomely for new features if it doesnt mean buying everything again

http://nps.nikonimaging.com/technical_solutions/d810_tips/the_electronic_front/ the D800 doesnt have this

The premise is this, you pay some of it upfront, and the rest when you are comfortable with what you get. Want it early, you get alpha, want it late, you get more retail

How does an audience make design-decisions?

An audience buys into a project based on what it is.

Libre just means free

No.

Libre is not free.

Libre has a very unique definition, which is different to gratis.

Hence its more popular usage in the past years; it differentiates from English "free".

So you can say "espacio libre de humo de tobaco"

One of them is the intended use

I think the general idea, although the convo went sideways, is to force a reevaluation of the English Free.

;)

In norwegian we say fri, and friprog. Frisoft might work in english

What was i thinking, im too tired

Because its always not precise. I say OSI-open source just to make that point

Well, anyhow. Saying copyleft when its copyleft makes sense.

good evening