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2021/03/20

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BAndiT1983|away
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Bertl
off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
07:17
Bertl
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07:23
RizwanMemon[m]
< https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/SkymTwaRqCcxvuvgzJIOuJde/message.txt >
07:24
RizwanMemon[m]
Here is the Link to the PR.
07:24
RizwanMemon[m]
https://github.com/apertus-open-source-cinema/webui/pull/13
07:39
se6ast1an
good day
07:39
se6ast1an
thanks RizwanMemon[m]!
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BAndiT1983
hi se6ast1an
07:40
se6ast1an
hi BAndiT1983!
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BAndiT1983
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se6ast1an
markus_: I just approved your lab account
13:27
markus_
se6ast1an: thank you!
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BAndiT1983|away
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14:10
satacker[m]
Hello
14:12
BAndiT1983
hi satacker[m]
14:13
satacker[m]
i am not clear on procfs entry in Kernel challenge
14:16
BAndiT1983
what's the trouble with it?
14:17
satacker[m]
currently from user space i am using a file pointer to read from /dev/char_ddriver
14:20
satacker[m]
so do u mean a custom proc entry?
14:21
satacker[m]
i mean its a character device , so cannot i just read like i am doing now
14:23
Bertl_zZ
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14:23
Bertl
morning folks!
14:23
se6ast1an
good day!
14:23
satacker[m]
morning and good day
14:25
Bertl
if you are working on T884 Task 1, then the proc entry is part of the challenge
14:28
satacker[m]
Okay ðï¸
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16:24
vedant16[m]
Hi everyone
16:24
vedant16[m]
BAndiT1983 did apertus also tie up with Code for Cause :(
16:25
BAndiT1983
hi vedant16[m], don't know that
16:26
vedant16[m]
Asked cause someone just came from their. Beware if your org has been on their videos, you might get lot of spam PRs issues
16:26
vedant16[m]
their* YouTube channel
16:27
vedant16[m]
I assume you know what happen with hacktoberfest
16:28
Bertl
off for now ... bbl
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Bertl
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16:37
BAndiT1983
nope, have quite some other stuff to do, like my job, life etc., so not that deep in that events
16:57
vedant16[m]
<BAndiT1983 "nope, have quite some other stuf"> tldr; some YouTuber said about this event, and lot's of Indians kids spammed projects with PRs and issues and then had to shut-down the hacktoberfest
16:57
vedant16[m]
indian*
16:58
se6ast1an
vedant16[m], yes we presented our project in a Code for Cause video, response was quite good
16:59
vedant16[m]
I am not very confident about them. they take paid courses and are a organisation, conflict of interest imo
17:02
RizwanMemon[m]
< https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/DMzbqEqmRFnWOGLHpaIaltwg/message.txt >
17:04
vedant16[m]
< https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/sNcVmDEkMlKWoNaCsKTPgTLh/message.txt >
17:04
vedant16[m]
open source shouldn't be done for money.
17:04
BAndiT1983
long messages are not that compatible to IRC -> http://irc.apertus.org/index.php?day=20&month=03&year=2021
17:05
BAndiT1983
open source can be done for money, by offering services on top of that, like consulting companies on quick setup, maintenance and additional feature development
17:05
vedant16[m]
ohh, I just quoted him, here's the message: `and orgs like code for cause are promoting this attitude.`
17:05
BAndiT1983
some companies offer such a model and are rather successful
17:05
vedant16[m]
I meant, wrt to students
17:06
vedant16[m]
they are doing gsoc for money only, personally find it wrong.
17:07
BAndiT1983
we are glad taht gsoc is available, to attract some people at least, most are attending because of stipend, which is understandable, but open source projects offer much more, e.g. experience, which later helps in the career a lot, am actually applying my knowledge from contributions in my job, e.g docker, CI pipelines etc.
17:07
RizwanMemon[m]
More than money it is something that is considered of great value in India
17:07
BAndiT1983
*from my contributions to apertus, is meant
17:08
RizwanMemon[m]
Looks good on resume and stuff
17:08
RizwanMemon[m]
That's why so many of them do participate only for gsoc
17:08
vedant16[m]
<BAndiT1983 "*from my contributions to apertu"> I am prev gsoc'er, and it doesn't help in placements imo
17:08
vedant16[m]
I am unplaced, didn't even get a internship, as they all ask Data structure only
17:08
BAndiT1983
we had a lot of students coming to us and asking for AI, but we asked for clear examples and real application cases, which should be targeting our system, not many proper answers besides many links to AI descriptions
17:09
vedant16[m]
<BAndiT1983 "we are glad taht gsoc is availab"> yeah, totally true
17:10
BAndiT1983
was only gsoc mentor, but what i do here is also applicable to my job/s, as i've deepened my knowledge about docker or CI builds, and companies are often having the problem that the infrastructure crumbles a lot, as many people try to patch only the problems not causes
17:10
vedant16[m]
<BAndiT1983 "we had a lot of students coming "> AI as in artifical intelligence ?
17:10
BAndiT1983
yep
17:10
vedant16[m]
AI has become another buzz word xD
17:10
BAndiT1983
said that 2-3 years ago, as that happened
17:10
BAndiT1983
it's pattern matching in first place
17:11
BAndiT1983
that's also what a lot of people said at mentor summit, as soon as the topic AI came up, just because it's trendy you cannot apply it everywhere
17:11
vedant16[m]
yupp
17:11
RizwanMemon[m]
But personally I use Linux as a primary os and was one of the reasons I can do development today.
17:11
RizwanMemon[m]
I wasn't fortunate enough to have a good system. So I love open source a lot
17:12
BAndiT1983
what is a good system for you?
17:12
RizwanMemon[m]
And recently have started contributing
17:12
RizwanMemon[m]
Like I had very bad pc which could not even handle windows
17:12
RizwanMemon[m]
So I use Linux on it
17:14
BAndiT1983
this is a perfect example of why such alternatives exist, have tried to show people in companies where the advantages are, like lower power consumption on laptops and simpler approaches for developers, but many prefer windows, also becuase they can put surveillance tool on top of it, to manage the system
17:15
BAndiT1983
result of such poor IT attempts is the constant problem in many areas, like login fails, account locks etc., so people start to complain and companies are deaf regarding that
17:16
vedant16[m]
Basically microsoft is a**
17:16
RizwanMemon[m]
To be honest I really don't like windows. It is just too bloated for me. I just use it to play games with anticheats.
17:17
vedant16[m]
Windows is something I hate from my heart, but it is a bit of necessity for some applications xD
17:17
BAndiT1983
am using all 3 systems and they all have their purpose, ok it is historically given that GPU has advantages on windows regarding drivers, but nevertheless developing cross-platform software is also giving you the experience of how to do the proper architecture
17:18
RizwanMemon[m]
Yeah some apps just don't run well on Linux or don't even have one for Linux
17:18
BAndiT1983
why should i hate a piece of software that much? PC only does what developers have programmed, nothing else, also don't like that office 365 is pushed everywhere and many people are just following the trend, without looking at easier alternatives, e.g. markdown is enough for many things
17:19
eppisai
Yea, We are all here because we love Open source, but let's not bitch about other technologies and platforms, windows has bits perks we can't deny that, even AI or blockchain can help people make this world a better place, just not in the initial stages of their career..
17:20
BAndiT1983
had a meeting 2 years ago regarding blockchain, company tried to put it to use, but found no case ;)
17:20
RizwanMemon[m]
Yeah we discussing this isn't gonna change anything in Windows
17:20
vedant16[m]
<eppisai "Yea, We are all here because we "> it's not about tech, but about people hyping it
17:20
vedant16[m]
and trying to put it everywhere
17:22
eppisai
lol, I took blockchain to 2 hackathons, got a position in all of them, maybe it is buzz words or just a investment opportunity afterall for now, but maybe in future.. I am just optimistic
17:22
BAndiT1983
but you can just barely change companies, so just present good examples and use cases and sometimes wonders happen
17:23
eppisai
Yea Vedant, but still hate would be a 'strong' word for a operating system like windows (years of development, millions of developers involved in that)
17:23
eppisai
:)
17:24
vedant16[m]
If you read about how microsoft harrased linux you would find it reasonable :)
17:24
BAndiT1983
harassed? as far as i know they have plenty of linux servers
17:25
vedant16[m]
<BAndiT1983 "harassed? as far as i know they "> that's now, back in 2000s
17:25
eppisai
Leadership has changed, even not just Linux, Netscape,apple lot of examples
17:25
BAndiT1983
and wsl/wsl2 are also there
17:25
vedant16[m]
https://fossbytes.com/microsoft-and-linux-a-song-of-mice-and-ire/amp/
17:25
vedant16[m]
<BAndiT1983 "and wsl/wsl2 are also there"> exit of ballmer
17:26
BAndiT1983
the technology landscape changes, managers are also not always there or have same opinion, so don'T stick to 20 year old stuff, am also not grieving about DOS and trying to free up memory in the beginning of 90s
17:26
vedant16[m]
hmm
17:27
eppisai
Something completely out of topic : WSL does not support opengl applications still, :(
17:28
BAndiT1983
will change at some point, if not already, VMs had same problem for years
17:29
eppisai
Who knows what ARM processor will do in future, I am not a fan of apple or their eco system, but in 2020 or 2021, it's still better than all windows ultrabooks..
17:29
BAndiT1983
https://www.reddit.com/r/bashonubuntuonwindows/comments/m6ciwr/as_of_now_wsl_gpu_drivers_are_available_on/
17:32
eppisai
Oh, that's good for WSL, maybe people will be able to run visualiser in windows after all..!
17:33
BAndiT1983
?
17:33
BAndiT1983
haven't tried it on my only desktop, where windows is, but what was the problem again?
17:34
markus_
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MortarArt
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17:54
eppisai
I can't remember exactly, but will check, but visualiser was been built but when opening, nothing happened, had to install mesa-utils but still something was not right so opened in Linux.. will check today..
17:56
eppisai
For people who haven't read above message, spoiler : Lot of 'but' in one sentence, ;)
17:57
BAndiT1983
mesa-utils is linux-related, but if we talk about windows, then i would suspect something SDL2 and SDL_image related
18:00
eppisai
I had to use vcx.. something as it's replacement, I will try to replicate it today and get back, maybe it can help someone..
18:01
BAndiT1983
vcx?
18:04
eppisai
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/58187388/using-sdl-with-windows-subsystem-for-linux
18:04
BAndiT1983
but why do i need to use such a workaround, if i wnat to run things natively?
18:05
BAndiT1983
visualiser should be protable, if there are problems, the the CMake script needs adjustments and that's it
18:08
eppisai
Because, I was a beginner who was using Microsoft's surface laptop at the time, and on dual boot touch, keyboard and mouse were not working, so tried it in WSL, but no progress, then i found that some good people (open source peeps) have build s kernel for Microsoft surface devices and now I am happy as ever with Linux on my microsoft device..
18:08
MarkusEngsner
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18:09
BAndiT1983
am a bit confused, are we talking about running visualiser on windows or just in WSL (for whatever reason)?
18:15
eppisai
Running it on WSL.. I was just saying things that might newbies might face when running remote for first time.. they will try in windows, then wsl (cause it's easier than switching a operating system) then probably move to Linux..
18:18
BAndiT1983
so +1 for linux every time ;)
18:19
BAndiT1983
but actually we can introduce windows setup in the cmake script and additional steps which will explain how to download and unpack the sdl2 libs
18:19
BAndiT1983
e.g. https://trenki2.github.io/blog/2017/06/02/using-sdl2-with-cmake/
18:20
BAndiT1983
as most devs, who have used the visualiser, were using linux, then there was not much need to adjust for windows yet, but if somebody wants to do that, then we can create a task in the lab
18:23
satacker[m]
sorry to interrupt but i am not getting linux's crypto api docs
18:25
BAndiT1983
satacker[m]: maybe not a pro here, but maybe you can explain a bit more
18:27
eppisai
Well, I am also a Linux user and I love it, but still I really think if visualizer can be run on windows then more beginners can join us here, cause it lowers the learning curve, and can start contributing (assertion : they are using windows,or had no option but to use it or just gamers)
18:27
satacker[m]
<BAndiT1983 "satacker: maybe not a pro here, "> not me either, but as the Kernel Challenge requires checksum and i guess kernel must be verifying checksum for packet transfer, so there must be some helper function for checksum
18:27
eppisai
So, I want to volunteer!
18:28
BAndiT1983
while you were typing i've found plenty of examples for the crypto api, yes, there are quite some helpers there
18:29
eppisai
Hahaha.. I am quessel on phone, slow typing..
18:30
BAndiT1983
https://lab.apertus.org/T1234
18:30
BAndiT1983
nah, it was meant for satacker[m], as he was asking about crypto
18:31
satacker[m]
<BAndiT1983 "while you were typing i've found"> i was directly searching in kernel docs with checksum keyword hence didn't get
18:31
BAndiT1983
just check google for kernel crypto examples or tutorials, quite some gists also available
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BAndiT1983
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BAndiT1983|away
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MarkusEngsner|aw
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se6ast1an
good night
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