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07:17 | Bertl | off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
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| 07:23 | RizwanMemon[m] | < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/SkymTwaRqCcxvuvgzJIOuJde/message.txt >
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07:24 | RizwanMemon[m] | Here is the Link to the PR.
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07:24 | RizwanMemon[m] | https://github.com/apertus-open-source-cinema/webui/pull/13
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07:39 | se6ast1an | good day
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07:39 | se6ast1an | thanks RizwanMemon[m]!
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07:39 | BAndiT1983 | hi se6ast1an
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07:40 | se6ast1an | hi BAndiT1983!
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13:27 | se6ast1an | markus_: I just approved your lab account
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13:27 | markus_ | se6ast1an: thank you!
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14:10 | satacker[m] | Hello
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14:12 | BAndiT1983 | hi satacker[m]
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14:13 | satacker[m] | i am not clear on procfs entry in Kernel challenge
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14:16 | BAndiT1983 | what's the trouble with it?
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14:17 | satacker[m] | currently from user space i am using a file pointer to read from /dev/char_ddriver
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14:20 | satacker[m] | so do u mean a custom proc entry?
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14:21 | satacker[m] | i mean its a character device , so cannot i just read like i am doing now
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14:23 | Bertl | morning folks!
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14:23 | se6ast1an | good day!
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14:23 | satacker[m] | morning and good day
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14:25 | Bertl | if you are working on T884 Task 1, then the proc entry is part of the challenge
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14:28 | satacker[m] | Okay ðï¸
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16:24 | vedant16[m] | Hi everyone
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16:24 | vedant16[m] | BAndiT1983 did apertus also tie up with Code for Cause :(
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16:25 | BAndiT1983 | hi vedant16[m], don't know that
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16:26 | vedant16[m] | Asked cause someone just came from their. Beware if your org has been on their videos, you might get lot of spam PRs issues
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16:26 | vedant16[m] | their* YouTube channel
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16:27 | vedant16[m] | I assume you know what happen with hacktoberfest
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16:28 | Bertl | off for now ... bbl
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16:37 | BAndiT1983 | nope, have quite some other stuff to do, like my job, life etc., so not that deep in that events
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16:57 | vedant16[m] | <BAndiT1983 "nope, have quite some other stuf"> tldr; some YouTuber said about this event, and lot's of Indians kids spammed projects with PRs and issues and then had to shut-down the hacktoberfest
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16:57 | vedant16[m] | indian*
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16:58 | se6ast1an | vedant16[m], yes we presented our project in a Code for Cause video, response was quite good
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16:59 | vedant16[m] | I am not very confident about them. they take paid courses and are a organisation, conflict of interest imo
| 17:02 | RizwanMemon[m] | < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/DMzbqEqmRFnWOGLHpaIaltwg/message.txt >
| 17:04 | vedant16[m] | < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/sNcVmDEkMlKWoNaCsKTPgTLh/message.txt >
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17:04 | vedant16[m] | open source shouldn't be done for money.
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17:04 | BAndiT1983 | long messages are not that compatible to IRC -> http://irc.apertus.org/index.php?day=20&month=03&year=2021
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17:05 | BAndiT1983 | open source can be done for money, by offering services on top of that, like consulting companies on quick setup, maintenance and additional feature development
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17:05 | vedant16[m] | ohh, I just quoted him, here's the message: `and orgs like code for cause are promoting this attitude.`
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17:05 | BAndiT1983 | some companies offer such a model and are rather successful
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17:05 | vedant16[m] | I meant, wrt to students
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17:06 | vedant16[m] | they are doing gsoc for money only, personally find it wrong.
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17:07 | BAndiT1983 | we are glad taht gsoc is available, to attract some people at least, most are attending because of stipend, which is understandable, but open source projects offer much more, e.g. experience, which later helps in the career a lot, am actually applying my knowledge from contributions in my job, e.g docker, CI pipelines etc.
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17:07 | RizwanMemon[m] | More than money it is something that is considered of great value in India
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17:07 | BAndiT1983 | *from my contributions to apertus, is meant
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17:08 | RizwanMemon[m] | Looks good on resume and stuff
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17:08 | RizwanMemon[m] | That's why so many of them do participate only for gsoc
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17:08 | vedant16[m] | <BAndiT1983 "*from my contributions to apertu"> I am prev gsoc'er, and it doesn't help in placements imo
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17:08 | vedant16[m] | I am unplaced, didn't even get a internship, as they all ask Data structure only
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17:08 | BAndiT1983 | we had a lot of students coming to us and asking for AI, but we asked for clear examples and real application cases, which should be targeting our system, not many proper answers besides many links to AI descriptions
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17:09 | vedant16[m] | <BAndiT1983 "we are glad taht gsoc is availab"> yeah, totally true
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17:10 | BAndiT1983 | was only gsoc mentor, but what i do here is also applicable to my job/s, as i've deepened my knowledge about docker or CI builds, and companies are often having the problem that the infrastructure crumbles a lot, as many people try to patch only the problems not causes
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17:10 | vedant16[m] | <BAndiT1983 "we had a lot of students coming "> AI as in artifical intelligence ?
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17:10 | BAndiT1983 | yep
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17:10 | vedant16[m] | AI has become another buzz word xD
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17:10 | BAndiT1983 | said that 2-3 years ago, as that happened
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17:10 | BAndiT1983 | it's pattern matching in first place
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17:11 | BAndiT1983 | that's also what a lot of people said at mentor summit, as soon as the topic AI came up, just because it's trendy you cannot apply it everywhere
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17:11 | vedant16[m] | yupp
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17:11 | RizwanMemon[m] | But personally I use Linux as a primary os and was one of the reasons I can do development today.
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17:11 | RizwanMemon[m] | I wasn't fortunate enough to have a good system. So I love open source a lot
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17:12 | BAndiT1983 | what is a good system for you?
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17:12 | RizwanMemon[m] | And recently have started contributing
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17:12 | RizwanMemon[m] | Like I had very bad pc which could not even handle windows
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17:12 | RizwanMemon[m] | So I use Linux on it
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17:14 | BAndiT1983 | this is a perfect example of why such alternatives exist, have tried to show people in companies where the advantages are, like lower power consumption on laptops and simpler approaches for developers, but many prefer windows, also becuase they can put surveillance tool on top of it, to manage the system
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17:15 | BAndiT1983 | result of such poor IT attempts is the constant problem in many areas, like login fails, account locks etc., so people start to complain and companies are deaf regarding that
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17:16 | vedant16[m] | Basically microsoft is a**
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17:16 | RizwanMemon[m] | To be honest I really don't like windows. It is just too bloated for me. I just use it to play games with anticheats.
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17:17 | vedant16[m] | Windows is something I hate from my heart, but it is a bit of necessity for some applications xD
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17:17 | BAndiT1983 | am using all 3 systems and they all have their purpose, ok it is historically given that GPU has advantages on windows regarding drivers, but nevertheless developing cross-platform software is also giving you the experience of how to do the proper architecture
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17:18 | RizwanMemon[m] | Yeah some apps just don't run well on Linux or don't even have one for Linux
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17:18 | BAndiT1983 | why should i hate a piece of software that much? PC only does what developers have programmed, nothing else, also don't like that office 365 is pushed everywhere and many people are just following the trend, without looking at easier alternatives, e.g. markdown is enough for many things
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17:19 | eppisai | Yea, We are all here because we love Open source, but let's not bitch about other technologies and platforms, windows has bits perks we can't deny that, even AI or blockchain can help people make this world a better place, just not in the initial stages of their career..
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17:20 | BAndiT1983 | had a meeting 2 years ago regarding blockchain, company tried to put it to use, but found no case ;)
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17:20 | RizwanMemon[m] | Yeah we discussing this isn't gonna change anything in Windows
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17:20 | vedant16[m] | <eppisai "Yea, We are all here because we "> it's not about tech, but about people hyping it
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17:20 | vedant16[m] | and trying to put it everywhere
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17:22 | eppisai | lol, I took blockchain to 2 hackathons, got a position in all of them, maybe it is buzz words or just a investment opportunity afterall for now, but maybe in future.. I am just optimistic
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17:22 | BAndiT1983 | but you can just barely change companies, so just present good examples and use cases and sometimes wonders happen
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17:23 | eppisai | Yea Vedant, but still hate would be a 'strong' word for a operating system like windows (years of development, millions of developers involved in that)
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17:23 | eppisai | :)
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17:24 | vedant16[m] | If you read about how microsoft harrased linux you would find it reasonable :)
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17:24 | BAndiT1983 | harassed? as far as i know they have plenty of linux servers
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17:25 | vedant16[m] | <BAndiT1983 "harassed? as far as i know they "> that's now, back in 2000s
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17:25 | eppisai | Leadership has changed, even not just Linux, Netscape,apple lot of examples
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17:25 | BAndiT1983 | and wsl/wsl2 are also there
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17:25 | vedant16[m] | https://fossbytes.com/microsoft-and-linux-a-song-of-mice-and-ire/amp/
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17:25 | vedant16[m] | <BAndiT1983 "and wsl/wsl2 are also there"> exit of ballmer
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17:26 | BAndiT1983 | the technology landscape changes, managers are also not always there or have same opinion, so don'T stick to 20 year old stuff, am also not grieving about DOS and trying to free up memory in the beginning of 90s
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17:26 | vedant16[m] | hmm
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17:27 | eppisai | Something completely out of topic : WSL does not support opengl applications still, :(
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17:28 | BAndiT1983 | will change at some point, if not already, VMs had same problem for years
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17:29 | eppisai | Who knows what ARM processor will do in future, I am not a fan of apple or their eco system, but in 2020 or 2021, it's still better than all windows ultrabooks..
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17:29 | BAndiT1983 | https://www.reddit.com/r/bashonubuntuonwindows/comments/m6ciwr/as_of_now_wsl_gpu_drivers_are_available_on/
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17:32 | eppisai | Oh, that's good for WSL, maybe people will be able to run visualiser in windows after all..!
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17:33 | BAndiT1983 | ?
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17:33 | BAndiT1983 | haven't tried it on my only desktop, where windows is, but what was the problem again?
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17:54 | eppisai | I can't remember exactly, but will check, but visualiser was been built but when opening, nothing happened, had to install mesa-utils but still something was not right so opened in Linux.. will check today..
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17:56 | eppisai | For people who haven't read above message, spoiler : Lot of 'but' in one sentence, ;)
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17:57 | BAndiT1983 | mesa-utils is linux-related, but if we talk about windows, then i would suspect something SDL2 and SDL_image related
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18:00 | eppisai | I had to use vcx.. something as it's replacement, I will try to replicate it today and get back, maybe it can help someone..
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18:01 | BAndiT1983 | vcx?
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18:04 | eppisai | https://stackoverflow.com/questions/58187388/using-sdl-with-windows-subsystem-for-linux
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18:04 | BAndiT1983 | but why do i need to use such a workaround, if i wnat to run things natively?
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18:05 | BAndiT1983 | visualiser should be protable, if there are problems, the the CMake script needs adjustments and that's it
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18:08 | eppisai | Because, I was a beginner who was using Microsoft's surface laptop at the time, and on dual boot touch, keyboard and mouse were not working, so tried it in WSL, but no progress, then i found that some good people (open source peeps) have build s kernel for Microsoft surface devices and now I am happy as ever with Linux on my microsoft device..
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18:09 | BAndiT1983 | am a bit confused, are we talking about running visualiser on windows or just in WSL (for whatever reason)?
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18:15 | eppisai | Running it on WSL.. I was just saying things that might newbies might face when running remote for first time.. they will try in windows, then wsl (cause it's easier than switching a operating system) then probably move to Linux..
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18:18 | BAndiT1983 | so +1 for linux every time ;)
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18:19 | BAndiT1983 | but actually we can introduce windows setup in the cmake script and additional steps which will explain how to download and unpack the sdl2 libs
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18:19 | BAndiT1983 | e.g. https://trenki2.github.io/blog/2017/06/02/using-sdl2-with-cmake/
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18:20 | BAndiT1983 | as most devs, who have used the visualiser, were using linux, then there was not much need to adjust for windows yet, but if somebody wants to do that, then we can create a task in the lab
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18:23 | satacker[m] | sorry to interrupt but i am not getting linux's crypto api docs
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18:25 | BAndiT1983 | satacker[m]: maybe not a pro here, but maybe you can explain a bit more
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18:27 | eppisai | Well, I am also a Linux user and I love it, but still I really think if visualizer can be run on windows then more beginners can join us here, cause it lowers the learning curve, and can start contributing (assertion : they are using windows,or had no option but to use it or just gamers)
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18:27 | satacker[m] | <BAndiT1983 "satacker: maybe not a pro here, "> not me either, but as the Kernel Challenge requires checksum and i guess kernel must be verifying checksum for packet transfer, so there must be some helper function for checksum
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18:27 | eppisai | So, I want to volunteer!
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18:28 | BAndiT1983 | while you were typing i've found plenty of examples for the crypto api, yes, there are quite some helpers there
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18:29 | eppisai | Hahaha.. I am quessel on phone, slow typing..
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18:30 | BAndiT1983 | https://lab.apertus.org/T1234
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18:30 | BAndiT1983 | nah, it was meant for satacker[m], as he was asking about crypto
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18:31 | satacker[m] | <BAndiT1983 "while you were typing i've found"> i was directly searching in kernel docs with checksum keyword hence didn't get
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18:31 | BAndiT1983 | just check google for kernel crypto examples or tutorials, quite some gists also available
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22:00 | se6ast1an | good night
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