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2014/01/20

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00:10
Bertl
off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
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se6astian
good morning
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shinokubo
good morning everyone
09:17
se6astian
hi shinokubo
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10:24
FergusL
duuuuuh
10:24
FergusL
being called Polaroid
10:24
FergusL
that must hurt
10:26
se6astian
hi FergusL
10:26
se6astian
I updated the webserver stuff on the alpha
10:26
se6astian
http://alphadev.apertus.org/
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FergusL
se6astian: it's on the ftp too ?
10:45
se6astian
sure
10:46
se6astian
http://alphadev.apertus.org/ == FTP
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gcolburn
hello
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se6astian
hi gabe!
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15:54
FergusL
I'm having unfortunate encounters with php haha
15:54
FergusL
that will get me ready for the real deal
15:58
se6astian
uhm, good I guess :)
16:02
FergusL
well actually it's just copy pasting php code;.. it's just that it had php errors... I have to manage an utter small friends forum
16:14
se6astian
I see
16:14
se6astian
well I committed some changes to github today that added comments to the registers php file
16:15
se6astian
that should make it a bit easier to get an overview
16:43
FergusL
se6astian: comments in the code or... ?
16:44
Bertl
morning everyone!
16:46
FergusL
m-m-morning, right
16:49
Bertl
you sound like somebody who hasn't encountered time zones yet :)
16:51
FergusL
aren't you in Europe ?
16:52
Bertl
so?
16:53
FergusL
I'm not aware of an european timezone that has an offest from GMT that could justify calling "now" a morning :p
16:54
Bertl
I'm not aware that there is a law or requirement to use a local timezone :)
16:55
FergusL
ha true !
16:55
FergusL
what time is it in BLMT ?
16:55
FergusL
(Bertl's Local Meridian Time)
16:56
Bertl
BUT (Bertl Universal Time)
16:56
FergusL
HAHAHA, "universal"! come on !
16:56
Bertl
:)
16:57
FergusL
now you'll tell us that you shift UNIX epoch time so that it matches your birthday ?
16:58
Bertl
how do you know?
17:00
FergusL
tsk ! easy guess !
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18:42
gwelkind
Hello, my name is Gabriel. I'm a liberal arts student turned engineer-- I'll be transferring to the Fu Academy next Fall. I'll have a fresh BA in Computer Science and Film Studies after this semester, and I'd like to devote a large chunk of my summer to the Apertus project if there's a place for me :)
18:42
FergusL
hi gwelkind ! welcome here
18:42
Bertl
welcome gwelkind!
18:44
gwelkind
Thanks! That was fast!
18:44
gwelkind
I'm a bit green around the ears when it comes to electronics, but I've joined my local hackerspace last semester and I'm starting to get more comfortable. I also have some experience coding with blender, and lots of python/cpp experience if that would be useful.
18:45
Bertl
the host name suggests US, east side, so summer is a few months away, yes?
18:46
gwelkind
Good eye! Yeah, my spring semester ends on the 21st of May.
18:47
Bertl
so, will you be busy till June or do you plan to help out during your semester as well?
18:47
gwelkind
Ideally, I'd like to help remotely during the semester and apply to work on-location, and devote daily time this summer. If I can find a way to make it more formal, I'd like to, so I can apply for some get-paid-to-do-unpaid-work grants.
18:48
Bertl
sounds reasonable, okay, so what area interests you most? where do you see your strong suit?
18:50
Bertl
(doesn't need to be the same :)
18:53
gwelkind
Well, I'm at a stage in my education right now in which I'm fairly competent with programming, especially with python, though I'm just beginning to experiment with electronics (almost finished building my first RepRap at aforementioned hackerspace).
18:53
gwelkind
Although I can't say I've participated much-- besides a patch here and there --I pretty much only use open source software, and I'm fairly familiar with the workflow, documentation, commonly used tools and such.
18:56
gwelkind
I REALLY like Blender. I've gone through intermittent phases of spending lots of time with it. Although, I confess, I don't really have the natural talent or practice to make beautiful models, I'm well acquainted with lots of different facets of Blenders usage, and I've poked around with python automation a bit too.
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19:07
FergusL
gwelkind: what hackerspace are you going to ?
19:07
FergusL
nice to meet you, I REALLY like Blender too
19:13
gwelkind
It's called NESIT. It's in Meriden, CT.
19:13
FergusL
hm I see
19:14
FergusL
I go to one called LeLoop here in Paris
19:14
gwelkind
You live in Paris!?
19:14
FergusL
yes
19:14
gwelkind
I have several friends and a cousin who just got back from studying abroad there.
19:15
gwelkind
Seems like the hip thing to do
19:15
gwelkind
Is most of the team located in North America?
19:16
FergusL
most of the team is located in Europe, rather, I'd say
19:17
gwelkind
That's a trip I would be very willing to make.
19:17
gwelkind
Have you followed the Velocar cc project at all?
19:17
FergusL
hu, no, never heard about that I'm afraid
19:18
gwelkind
It's just been integrated into OSE's global village construction set. I know they're making very fast progress in France.
19:19
gwelkind
Check it out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5EA55EphgI
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19:24
FergusL
hm, nice
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FergusL
not sure what to think about
19:24
FergusL
got really bothered by the look and voice of the guy haha
19:25
FergusL
btw, I do a lot of python too
19:26
FergusL
that's the programming language I know the most, but I didn't study computer science, it's just kind of a "full time" hobby
19:26
gwelkind
That's awesome!
19:27
FergusL
and I also did some scripting in Blender
19:27
gwelkind
If I had to do it again, I wouldn't have studied it formally. Honestly, CS at liberal arts school is a joke. Everything I've actually found useful I've had to learn on my own.
19:28
gwelkind
Do you use ipython at all?
19:29
FergusL
yes I try to use it
19:29
gwelkind
(I also have a lot of respect for autodidacticism, props)
19:30
FergusL
but most of the time I write python in Geany, a very lightweight IDE
19:31
FergusL
actually for everythin about code I tend to use Geany, even for Arduino
19:31
gwelkind
Hmm, I've never tried it. What do you like about it?
19:31
FergusL
well, simply being lightweight !
19:32
FergusL
nohthing about project files or custom filetypes
19:33
FergusL
but all the usual features : autocompletion, auto closing and parens and brackets, advanced shortcuts, indent, comment, swap lines
19:34
gwelkind
I can appreciate that. I just use vim with a couple plug-ins for tab completion, custom folds and some plugable syntax highlighting. I try to keep things as simple as possible.
19:35
gwelkind
I'm just super used to the keys only approach, I get the appeal of IDEs, but I just can't get used to moving my hand over to the mouse or arrow keys constantly.
19:35
FergusL
I can understand that
19:37
FergusL
but I get frustrated with Python because now the step to take to go to a language like C or just C++ is huge
19:38
gwelkind
haha, yep. Us pythonistas have a lot of important stuff abstracted and black boxed away.
19:39
FergusL
yes
19:39
gwelkind
I learned cpp first, so I'm pretty comfortable with it conceptually. Every time I go back to it, I find myself slamming my head against the wall trying to figure out how to do something trivial that I could do in python with 2 lines of code.
19:39
FergusL
but that's a huge benefit because we rush straight to designing data models and arranging code structure which is SUPER important
19:39
FergusL
haha yes
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19:40
FergusL
I find C++ not being too coherent... it feels weird...
19:40
FergusL
I tend to prefer C
19:41
FergusL
my thing lately has been PureData, do you know it ?
19:41
gwelkind
I just appreciate how easy it is to wrap anything you write in C or Cpp into python. I don't think I could ever make myself build an entire project in Cpp.
19:42
FergusL
it's a visual programming language designed for computer music, but that can do much more
19:42
gwelkind
Yes, I tried getting into it, but it was a bit over my head and the documentation was tricky to follow.
19:43
FergusL
it becomes instant beautiful when you begin to understand the whole paradigm
19:43
FergusL
you go woaaaaaah, I never thought programming could feel like that in your head
19:43
gwelkind
hahaha, awesome
19:44
gwelkind
is it easy to plug in C code? I never tried.
19:44
FergusL
I never tried either but I know it's possible
19:44
FergusL
BUT, you can plug in LUA
19:46
FergusL
sadly you can't really plug in python
19:46
FergusL
there is a hack but so hackish and the examples are so """useless""" that I never bothered to try
19:47
FergusL
(a hack to embed python in puredata I mean, it's called pyext)
19:57
gwelkind
ooo, yeah, I generally keep away from kludge hacks like that. They so often turn into huge timesinks without any results. For me, programming is a means, not an ends. Unless I'm really interested in the guts of some framework, I just want to stay on the highest level; use it as conventionally as possible.
19:58
gwelkind
What's your role in Apertus, FergusL?
19:59
FergusL
grand master, dark wizard, shareholder, gossip consultant, coffee machine trainee
20:00
FergusL
No specific role, just like you I'd say, I poped in and try to help. I've been following the progress for... 3 or 4 years maybe
20:05
FergusL
do you want to look at some ugly python I've made ?
20:05
gwelkind
For sure!
20:07
gwelkind
Yeah, it seems like an amazing project and a really good fit. It combines a lot of different subjects that I'm interested in, seems like a friendly community, good learning opportunity.
20:08
FergusL
I agree about the learning opportuning
20:09
FergusL
opportunity* sorry
20:09
FergusL
top notch knowledged people around here
20:10
gwelkind
Is there a piece of the team that regularly meets IRL? I'd love to help the project however I can, but if I can find some arrangement that sufficiently resembles an internship I could probably get paid by an NPO and really devote a huge chunk of my time when school ends.
20:15
FergusL
I asked about internship, se6astian is the person that can answer this kind of question
20:15
FergusL
there is no real location for Apertus where you can come and work
20:16
FergusL
although of course there are legal entities for both the company and the association
20:21
FergusL
about the internship... hm... I think the answer was that if the arrangement costs 0⬠to Apertus, it's fine and open for interns
20:21
gwelkind
There must be organized collaborative meetings for prototyping, no?
20:22
FergusL
not really
20:22
FergusL
I might have missed something
20:23
FergusL
but I don't think so
20:23
FergusL
there are collaborative meetings weekly iirc but they are more formal, about what has advanced and for discussing idea
20:23
FergusL
it's not like a hackaton or an engineers meeting
20:41
Bertl
gwelkind: the learning curve will be steep, nobody will hold your hand, but we can guarantee a huge amount of knowledge and great accomplishments if you pull through
20:42
Bertl
there is always an open exchange of information, so give it a good try to figure something out, but if you fail, just ask, maybe somebody here already knows and provide the necessary hints
20:47
FergusL
that's for an internship ?
20:47
FergusL
or just spontaneous help ?
20:47
FergusL
Bertl ^
20:53
FergusL
ha ! gwelkind ! I need your help for a vocabulary question
20:54
Bertl
for seriously working on the project, regardless of internship or not ... of course, occasional help is something different
20:57
FergusL
I've been asking all around here, in #english, in ##c and in #dataflow about a word that for the life of me I can't understand in a conference, let me open a /query with you
20:57
Bertl
what's the word?
20:57
Bertl
(and the context)
20:58
FergusL
i'm going to share it here then, it's in a video, a conference by Miller Puckette, creatore of Max and Pd
20:58
FergusL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLACjtOpe0Q&t=45m12s in the sentence starting there when he says, "'it'll go the way of max or Pd and become ____"
20:59
FergusL
qwrdy eiezed
21:00
FergusL
kwardy eyzed or something. I reckon this is rather minor and prretty useless
21:00
FergusL
it just is bugging me
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Bertl
sounds like he is talking of a quality of programming languages which (to me) sounds similar to core-de-iced (not that it makes sense to me)
21:14
Bertl
he uses the same attribute again shortly after
21:14
FergusL
yes
21:15
Bertl
so possible explanations: as he mentions Max and PD (and similar other specifics) it could be an artificial name used in computer music or in context of a specific environment
21:15
Bertl
or it could be a special term relevant to computer/music languages which I do not know (yet)
21:17
FergusL
yes actually he says Csound or Pd, and not Max an Pd
21:17
FergusL
but he talks about a state a software "becomes"
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21:18
FergusL
but well anyway, enough off topic maybe
21:18
Bertl
let me know if you figure it out
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se6astian
time for bed
21:59
se6astian
good night everyone!
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22:02
FergusL
Bertl: I might just write a mail to the man speaking, Miller Puckette haha
22:08
Bertl
good idea, he should know what he was saying :)
22:08
FergusL
besides, this talk is very interesting
22:08
FergusL
it deals with what place a computer music software should have
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FergusL
how to design new instruments
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FergusL
and how to think about a computer as an instrument
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FergusL
welcome back gwelkind
22:16
FergusL
I didn't share the python code I promised,n it's actually pretty bad, 0 comment, still a lot of unused commented stuff
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