00:10 | Bertl | off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
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09:01 | se6astian | good morning
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09:15 | shinokubo | good morning everyone
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09:17 | se6astian | hi shinokubo
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10:24 | FergusL | duuuuuh
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10:24 | FergusL | being called Polaroid
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10:24 | FergusL | that must hurt
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10:26 | se6astian | hi FergusL
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10:26 | se6astian | I updated the webserver stuff on the alpha
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10:26 | se6astian | http://alphadev.apertus.org/
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10:42 | FergusL | se6astian: it's on the ftp too ?
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10:45 | se6astian | sure
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10:46 | se6astian | http://alphadev.apertus.org/ == FTP
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15:13 | gcolburn | hello
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15:23 | se6astian | hi gabe!
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15:54 | FergusL | I'm having unfortunate encounters with php haha
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15:54 | FergusL | that will get me ready for the real deal
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15:58 | se6astian | uhm, good I guess :)
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16:02 | FergusL | well actually it's just copy pasting php code;.. it's just that it had php errors... I have to manage an utter small friends forum
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16:14 | se6astian | I see
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16:14 | se6astian | well I committed some changes to github today that added comments to the registers php file
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16:15 | se6astian | that should make it a bit easier to get an overview
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16:43 | FergusL | se6astian: comments in the code or... ?
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16:44 | Bertl | morning everyone!
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16:46 | FergusL | m-m-morning, right
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16:49 | Bertl | you sound like somebody who hasn't encountered time zones yet :)
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16:51 | FergusL | aren't you in Europe ?
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16:52 | Bertl | so?
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16:53 | FergusL | I'm not aware of an european timezone that has an offest from GMT that could justify calling "now" a morning :p
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16:54 | Bertl | I'm not aware that there is a law or requirement to use a local timezone :)
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16:55 | FergusL | ha true !
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16:55 | FergusL | what time is it in BLMT ?
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16:55 | FergusL | (Bertl's Local Meridian Time)
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16:56 | Bertl | BUT (Bertl Universal Time)
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16:56 | FergusL | HAHAHA, "universal"! come on !
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16:56 | Bertl | :)
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16:57 | FergusL | now you'll tell us that you shift UNIX epoch time so that it matches your birthday ?
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16:58 | Bertl | how do you know?
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17:00 | FergusL | tsk ! easy guess !
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18:42 | gwelkind | Hello, my name is Gabriel. I'm a liberal arts student turned engineer-- I'll be transferring to the Fu Academy next Fall. I'll have a fresh BA in Computer Science and Film Studies after this semester, and I'd like to devote a large chunk of my summer to the Apertus project if there's a place for me :)
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18:42 | FergusL | hi gwelkind ! welcome here
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18:42 | Bertl | welcome gwelkind!
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18:44 | gwelkind | Thanks! That was fast!
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18:44 | gwelkind | I'm a bit green around the ears when it comes to electronics, but I've joined my local hackerspace last semester and I'm starting to get more comfortable. I also have some experience coding with blender, and lots of python/cpp experience if that would be useful.
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18:45 | Bertl | the host name suggests US, east side, so summer is a few months away, yes?
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18:46 | gwelkind | Good eye! Yeah, my spring semester ends on the 21st of May.
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18:47 | Bertl | so, will you be busy till June or do you plan to help out during your semester as well?
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18:47 | gwelkind | Ideally, I'd like to help remotely during the semester and apply to work on-location, and devote daily time this summer. If I can find a way to make it more formal, I'd like to, so I can apply for some get-paid-to-do-unpaid-work grants.
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18:48 | Bertl | sounds reasonable, okay, so what area interests you most? where do you see your strong suit?
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18:50 | Bertl | (doesn't need to be the same :)
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18:53 | gwelkind | Well, I'm at a stage in my education right now in which I'm fairly competent with programming, especially with python, though I'm just beginning to experiment with electronics (almost finished building my first RepRap at aforementioned hackerspace).
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18:53 | gwelkind | Although I can't say I've participated much-- besides a patch here and there --I pretty much only use open source software, and I'm fairly familiar with the workflow, documentation, commonly used tools and such.
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18:56 | gwelkind | I REALLY like Blender. I've gone through intermittent phases of spending lots of time with it. Although, I confess, I don't really have the natural talent or practice to make beautiful models, I'm well acquainted with lots of different facets of Blenders usage, and I've poked around with python automation a bit too.
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19:07 | FergusL | gwelkind: what hackerspace are you going to ?
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19:07 | FergusL | nice to meet you, I REALLY like Blender too
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19:13 | gwelkind | It's called NESIT. It's in Meriden, CT.
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19:13 | FergusL | hm I see
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19:14 | FergusL | I go to one called LeLoop here in Paris
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19:14 | gwelkind | You live in Paris!?
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19:14 | FergusL | yes
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19:14 | gwelkind | I have several friends and a cousin who just got back from studying abroad there.
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19:15 | gwelkind | Seems like the hip thing to do
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19:15 | gwelkind | Is most of the team located in North America?
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19:16 | FergusL | most of the team is located in Europe, rather, I'd say
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19:17 | gwelkind | That's a trip I would be very willing to make.
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19:17 | gwelkind | Have you followed the Velocar cc project at all?
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19:17 | FergusL | hu, no, never heard about that I'm afraid
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19:18 | gwelkind | It's just been integrated into OSE's global village construction set. I know they're making very fast progress in France.
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19:19 | gwelkind | Check it out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5EA55EphgI
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19:24 | FergusL | hm, nice
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19:24 | FergusL | not sure what to think about
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19:24 | FergusL | got really bothered by the look and voice of the guy haha
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19:25 | FergusL | btw, I do a lot of python too
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19:26 | FergusL | that's the programming language I know the most, but I didn't study computer science, it's just kind of a "full time" hobby
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19:26 | gwelkind | That's awesome!
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19:27 | FergusL | and I also did some scripting in Blender
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19:27 | gwelkind | If I had to do it again, I wouldn't have studied it formally. Honestly, CS at liberal arts school is a joke. Everything I've actually found useful I've had to learn on my own.
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19:28 | gwelkind | Do you use ipython at all?
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19:29 | FergusL | yes I try to use it
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19:29 | gwelkind | (I also have a lot of respect for autodidacticism, props)
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19:30 | FergusL | but most of the time I write python in Geany, a very lightweight IDE
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19:31 | FergusL | actually for everythin about code I tend to use Geany, even for Arduino
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19:31 | gwelkind | Hmm, I've never tried it. What do you like about it?
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19:31 | FergusL | well, simply being lightweight !
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19:32 | FergusL | nohthing about project files or custom filetypes
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19:33 | FergusL | but all the usual features : autocompletion, auto closing and parens and brackets, advanced shortcuts, indent, comment, swap lines
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19:34 | gwelkind | I can appreciate that. I just use vim with a couple plug-ins for tab completion, custom folds and some plugable syntax highlighting. I try to keep things as simple as possible.
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19:35 | gwelkind | I'm just super used to the keys only approach, I get the appeal of IDEs, but I just can't get used to moving my hand over to the mouse or arrow keys constantly.
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19:35 | FergusL | I can understand that
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19:37 | FergusL | but I get frustrated with Python because now the step to take to go to a language like C or just C++ is huge
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19:38 | gwelkind | haha, yep. Us pythonistas have a lot of important stuff abstracted and black boxed away.
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19:39 | FergusL | yes
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19:39 | gwelkind | I learned cpp first, so I'm pretty comfortable with it conceptually. Every time I go back to it, I find myself slamming my head against the wall trying to figure out how to do something trivial that I could do in python with 2 lines of code.
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19:39 | FergusL | but that's a huge benefit because we rush straight to designing data models and arranging code structure which is SUPER important
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19:39 | FergusL | haha yes
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19:40 | FergusL | I find C++ not being too coherent... it feels weird...
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19:40 | FergusL | I tend to prefer C
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19:41 | FergusL | my thing lately has been PureData, do you know it ?
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19:41 | gwelkind | I just appreciate how easy it is to wrap anything you write in C or Cpp into python. I don't think I could ever make myself build an entire project in Cpp.
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19:42 | FergusL | it's a visual programming language designed for computer music, but that can do much more
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19:42 | gwelkind | Yes, I tried getting into it, but it was a bit over my head and the documentation was tricky to follow.
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19:43 | FergusL | it becomes instant beautiful when you begin to understand the whole paradigm
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19:43 | FergusL | you go woaaaaaah, I never thought programming could feel like that in your head
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19:43 | gwelkind | hahaha, awesome
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19:44 | gwelkind | is it easy to plug in C code? I never tried.
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19:44 | FergusL | I never tried either but I know it's possible
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19:44 | FergusL | BUT, you can plug in LUA
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19:46 | FergusL | sadly you can't really plug in python
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19:46 | FergusL | there is a hack but so hackish and the examples are so """useless""" that I never bothered to try
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19:47 | FergusL | (a hack to embed python in puredata I mean, it's called pyext)
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19:57 | gwelkind | ooo, yeah, I generally keep away from kludge hacks like that. They so often turn into huge timesinks without any results. For me, programming is a means, not an ends. Unless I'm really interested in the guts of some framework, I just want to stay on the highest level; use it as conventionally as possible.
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19:58 | gwelkind | What's your role in Apertus, FergusL?
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19:59 | FergusL | grand master, dark wizard, shareholder, gossip consultant, coffee machine trainee
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20:00 | FergusL | No specific role, just like you I'd say, I poped in and try to help. I've been following the progress for... 3 or 4 years maybe
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20:05 | FergusL | do you want to look at some ugly python I've made ?
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20:05 | gwelkind | For sure!
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20:07 | gwelkind | Yeah, it seems like an amazing project and a really good fit. It combines a lot of different subjects that I'm interested in, seems like a friendly community, good learning opportunity.
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20:08 | FergusL | I agree about the learning opportuning
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20:09 | FergusL | opportunity* sorry
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20:09 | FergusL | top notch knowledged people around here
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20:10 | gwelkind | Is there a piece of the team that regularly meets IRL? I'd love to help the project however I can, but if I can find some arrangement that sufficiently resembles an internship I could probably get paid by an NPO and really devote a huge chunk of my time when school ends.
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20:15 | FergusL | I asked about internship, se6astian is the person that can answer this kind of question
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20:15 | FergusL | there is no real location for Apertus where you can come and work
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20:16 | FergusL | although of course there are legal entities for both the company and the association
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20:21 | FergusL | about the internship... hm... I think the answer was that if the arrangement costs 0€ to Apertus, it's fine and open for interns
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20:21 | gwelkind | There must be organized collaborative meetings for prototyping, no?
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20:22 | FergusL | not really
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20:22 | FergusL | I might have missed something
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20:23 | FergusL | but I don't think so
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20:23 | FergusL | there are collaborative meetings weekly iirc but they are more formal, about what has advanced and for discussing idea
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20:23 | FergusL | it's not like a hackaton or an engineers meeting
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20:41 | Bertl | gwelkind: the learning curve will be steep, nobody will hold your hand, but we can guarantee a huge amount of knowledge and great accomplishments if you pull through
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20:42 | Bertl | there is always an open exchange of information, so give it a good try to figure something out, but if you fail, just ask, maybe somebody here already knows and provide the necessary hints
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20:47 | FergusL | that's for an internship ?
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20:47 | FergusL | or just spontaneous help ?
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20:47 | FergusL | Bertl ^
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20:53 | FergusL | ha ! gwelkind ! I need your help for a vocabulary question
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20:54 | Bertl | for seriously working on the project, regardless of internship or not ... of course, occasional help is something different
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20:57 | FergusL | I've been asking all around here, in #english, in ##c and in #dataflow about a word that for the life of me I can't understand in a conference, let me open a /query with you
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20:57 | Bertl | what's the word?
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20:57 | Bertl | (and the context)
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20:58 | FergusL | i'm going to share it here then, it's in a video, a conference by Miller Puckette, creatore of Max and Pd
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20:58 | FergusL | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLACjtOpe0Q&t=45m12s in the sentence starting there when he says, "'it'll go the way of max or Pd and become ____"
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20:59 | FergusL | qwrdy eiezed
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21:00 | FergusL | kwardy eyzed or something. I reckon this is rather minor and prretty useless
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21:00 | FergusL | it just is bugging me
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21:13 | Bertl | sounds like he is talking of a quality of programming languages which (to me) sounds similar to core-de-iced (not that it makes sense to me)
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21:14 | Bertl | he uses the same attribute again shortly after
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21:14 | FergusL | yes
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21:15 | Bertl | so possible explanations: as he mentions Max and PD (and similar other specifics) it could be an artificial name used in computer music or in context of a specific environment
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21:15 | Bertl | or it could be a special term relevant to computer/music languages which I do not know (yet)
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21:17 | FergusL | yes actually he says Csound or Pd, and not Max an Pd
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21:17 | FergusL | but he talks about a state a software "becomes"
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21:18 | FergusL | but well anyway, enough off topic maybe
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21:18 | Bertl | let me know if you figure it out
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21:59 | se6astian | time for bed
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21:59 | se6astian | good night everyone!
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22:02 | FergusL | Bertl: I might just write a mail to the man speaking, Miller Puckette haha
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22:08 | Bertl | good idea, he should know what he was saying :)
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22:08 | FergusL | besides, this talk is very interesting
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22:08 | FergusL | it deals with what place a computer music software should have
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22:08 | FergusL | how to design new instruments
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22:09 | FergusL | and how to think about a computer as an instrument
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22:16 | FergusL | welcome back gwelkind
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22:16 | FergusL | I didn't share the python code I promised,n it's actually pretty bad, 0 comment, still a lot of unused commented stuff
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