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2016/12/19

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Bertl_oO
off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
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Bertl
morning folks!
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off for now ... bbl
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simonrepp
ohai everyone, as announced and planned (https://lab.apertus.org/T260) we will have an IRC meeting now :)
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simonrepp
i'll allow for some 3 minutes more before we start, to account for misaligned clocks and such
17:00
Bertl_oO
:)
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17:01
davidak
hello everyone :)
17:01
simonrepp
o/
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max_bxl
hello everyone !
17:04
simonrepp
alright! let's begin then :)
17:04
simonrepp
let's do the meta stuff first, because this needs to be done
17:04
simonrepp
next meeting date - i would suggest in 2 weeks, because christmas and stuff
17:05
simonrepp
that would be monday 2nd jan 19:00
17:05
simonrepp
any pro/con?
17:05
max_bxl
no cons
17:05
davidak
ok for me
17:05
Bertl
fine here
17:06
simonrepp
aaaand we got a date. thx!
17:06
simonrepp
then 2nd and last meta issue
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simonrepp
:)
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simonrepp
i'll post the summary from the meeting to the mailing list(s), my question is: where should i archive it additionally?
17:06
simonrepp
wiki? lab?
17:07
Bertl
the channel is logged, so it will be archived anyway
17:07
simonrepp
true, but then again it's not easily accessible unless you remember all the dates of previous meetings
17:07
Bertl
maybe in the future it might make sense to have a separate 'meeting digest' or so?
17:08
simonrepp
if there's no need to archive it specifically anyway, i wouldn't mind either, fine as well :)
17:09
simonrepp
ok then i'll just make something pu :D
17:09
simonrepp
up
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max_bxl
maybe if there're some issues that can be interresting to a broader audience we can think of a digest
17:09
simonrepp
where does that digest go?
17:09
max_bxl
otherwise, the log is enough
17:09
simonrepp
(like mentioned: i'll be posting a "digest version" via mail anyway
17:09
Bertl
sounds fine and sufficient to me
17:10
simonrepp
ok perfect then let's leave it at that for now
17:10
simonrepp
on to the meeting itself
17:10
simonrepp
i'd like to hear just quick reports from everyone who has somethign to report :)
17:10
simonrepp
fire away!
17:10
simonrepp
(just what you've been up to, recent progress, super short report)
17:11
Bertl
probably best to make that 'moderated' instead of chaotic :)
17:12
simonrepp
sure, you want to start?
17:12
Bertl
no problem there
17:12
simonrepp
cool, let's hear it :)
17:12
Bertl
I'm currently working on a number of Beta related hardware and software part
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Bertl
top priority currently has testing SFEs, so that is the main focus
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Bertl
on the hardware side, I'm working on:
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Bertl
- bringing the THT SFE up to date
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Bertl
- incorporating SFE changes to both THT and ZIF version
17:14
simonrepp
(can you just quickly spell that out for the uninitiated :))
17:14
Bertl
let me list first, we can then get into details if you want to :)
17:15
simonrepp
sure go ahead
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Bertl
- a test rig for power board testing
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Bertl
- a prototype for a smart power adapter
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Bertl
- HDMI in plugin
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Bertl
- ESP32 shield
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Bertl
- GPS shield
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Bertl
- IMU center solder on
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Bertl
on the software side:
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Bertl
- software for SFE testing (microcode and scripts)
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Bertl
- software for HDMI in (FPGA code and userspace)
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Bertl
- bandwidth tests (FPGA, userspace)
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Bertl
- advanced routing fabric interconnect (FPGA, Lattice & Xilinx)
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17:19
Bertl
besides that, there are some 'projects' cooking, but not really active
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Bertl
like for example the SD card raid or the next generation power board
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Bertl
so, where do you want to get more details? :)
17:20
simonrepp
just the acronyms spelled out - SFE, THT, ZIF :)
17:21
Bertl
SFE = Sensor Front End
17:21
davidak
sounds like great progress. can you tell what THT, SFE and Zif means
17:21
Bertl
THT = Through Hole Technology
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Bertl
ZIF = Zero Insertion Force
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Bertl
we have two kinds of frontends currently
17:22
simonrepp
ok so two different ways to mount the sensor to the front end basically, correct? :)
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Bertl
one uses a ZIF (cpu) socket for the CMV12k
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Bertl
the other uses socket strips from andon
17:23
davidak
ok, clear now
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Bertl
the THT (socket strips) version is lagging behind, because we focused on the ZIF version
17:25
simonrepp
ok cool, do you need anything from anyone that should be mentioned here, or should we move on to next reporter?
17:26
max_bxl
yep
17:26
simonrepp
(also: sounds amazing! nice to hear so much stuff progressing :))
17:26
Bertl
unless somebody has a practical solution for cloning or increasing available time, I'm all good :)
17:26
max_bxl
how developped is the SD card raid project ?
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Bertl
I designed and assembled a prototype with three different card slots
17:27
max_bxl
(and yes : sounds amazing all what is already in the pipelines !)
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Bertl
but there hasn't been any time to play around with it
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Bertl
requires a lot of boring 'implementing SD protocol in FPGA'
17:28
max_bxl
ok!
17:28
simonrepp
ok who else wants to report? :)
17:29
max_bxl
i can take the turn !
17:29
simonrepp
all yours, let's hear it!
17:29
max_bxl
the Belgian team have made contact with one teacher from Louis-Lumière (french cinema school) and he is making some research with his students to elaborate the picture pipeline (they were discussing with A1ex, but the project is on hold for the moment)
17:29
max_bxl
we also have made contact with a researcher at the same school, who is working on optical lenses and would like to tweak the signal of an AXIOM to check if we can "adapt" sensors to suit lenses best (in short, the other way around the usual).
17:29
max_bxl
and finally, we establish contact with Jacques Perconte, french video artist (https://vimeo.com/jacquesperconte), that is willing to make a collaboration with apertus° for a specific project of his own (by the end of 2017, beginning of 2018).
17:29
max_bxl
we also start our "apertus° IRL brussels" meetings (IRL stands for Info & Research Lab) in order to build a community mixing tech people and cinema folks together around the beta, making movies for example !
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max_bxl
the first meeting end up with an idea of making an "open kino", that is a festival where we make movies in 72h with only FLOSS tools !
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max_bxl
the open kino will be preceded by workshops in order to train people in using FLOSS editing software, and of course the beta!
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max_bxl
the first one should be organize in april.
17:30
simonrepp
sweet
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Bertl
either you are typing extremely fast or you did prepare well ;)
17:31
simonrepp
how often will the IRL meetings happen?
17:31
max_bxl
we also think of preparing the beta with a wifi usb dongle so we can access the menu easily (as with the alpha software)
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max_bxl
(i'm very slow at typing ^^)
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max_bxl
we'll try to make a twice per month rendez-vous
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simonrepp
is there a website for the meetings that i could include in the meeting summary?
17:32
max_bxl
not yet
17:32
Bertl
the updated Beta image should have no problem with the right USB dongle
17:33
max_bxl
great ! what would be a "right" usb dongle
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max_bxl
?
17:33
Bertl
one which has a driver compiled
17:33
max_bxl
ok
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Bertl
best check what is enabled in /proc/config.gz
17:34
max_bxl
I'll do that !
17:34
simonrepp
ok super, sounds awesome, thanks max! who's up next? davidak? se6astian?
17:34
Bertl
if you are unsure, either simply test it (when the dongle is available) or ask me specifically
17:35
davidak
i can report next
17:35
max_bxl
sure
17:36
simonrepp
all ears! :)
17:36
davidak
i'm working on the content structure of the new website with RexOrCine, Alex_Chooks and se6astian.
17:36
davidak
it is already really clear how it will be organized and we already working on details.
17:36
davidak
we had weekly meetings what helped well to have good progress.
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davidak
we also want to setup a new forum for users and participants. there RexOrCine is investigating what our options are and then the team can make an educated decision :)
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davidak
we used a quiet new collaborative editor that supports markdown what is nice for quick note taking. it was once offline for 30 minutes while a meeting but worked very well otherwise. https://hackmd.io/ maybe you have a use case
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simonrepp
ah cool, looks good
17:38
davidak
Sebastian Gilits is working on the CMS (Drupal 8) and templates
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simonrepp
etherpad 2.0 :)
17:38
davidak
yes, but with markdown :)
17:38
simonrepp
(that's the 2.0, but do continue :))
17:39
davidak
that was everything. any questions on details?
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Bertl
who will be doing the drupal setup?
17:41
davidak
Sebastian Gilits
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davidak
or do you mean the final deployment to the live server?
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Bertl
yeah, kind of, or at least verification/testing/etc
17:42
davidak
i'm not sure on that
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Bertl
okay, here are a few point (if not considered yet, otherwise please ignore :)
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davidak
se6astian is involved here
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Bertl
- please, please, please make sure that the web pages are actually HTML :)
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davidak
like statis content caching?
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Bertl
- please verify that accessibility is guaranteed (there are plenty of checks out there)
17:44
davidak
static
17:44
Bertl
no, like conforming to the standard, not like the current pages :)
17:44
davidak
ah, ok
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Bertl
https://validator.w3.org/nu/?doc=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.apertus.org%2F
17:45
davidak
i will test it!
17:45
Bertl
thanks, very much appreciated!
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davidak
anything else to consider?
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Bertl
accessibility (like for example somebody reading the pages with a braille reader)
17:48
Bertl
basically boils down to having meaningful alt tags and similar
17:49
simonrepp
i'll pass the mic on now, just to stay in time somewhat ;) thanks david!!
17:49
davidak
can you recommend a tester?
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simonrepp
(if you want to get more in depth, please do go on after the meeting! very encouraged :))
17:50
simonrepp
anyone else want to report?
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Bertl
how about you?
17:51
simonrepp
i had in mind to go last, but that might be now anyway, so, sure :)
17:51
Bertl
davidak: https://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tools/
17:52
simonrepp
i did some stuff on elmyra lately to kinda wrap up easy accessibility for a larger audience
17:52
simonrepp
basically i wrapped the whole package into an electron application, so people can just "download and start the exe"
17:53
davidak
what works very nice ;)
17:53
simonrepp
my main concern is at the moment to actually get some real life persons to try it out, so that's the culmination of this effort for now
17:53
simonrepp
i'll let it rest for now, and see what happens when the team talk is posted where elmyra is featured
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simonrepp
(should be next 1-2 weeks i guess? not sure, looked relatively finished already :))
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simonrepp
asides that i have been exploring visualization for the beta
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simonrepp
on the very custom and manual side that is
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simonrepp
i've dived into unreal engine 4 and looked at some possibilites to interactively visualize the beta in there (snippet: http://fdpl.foundation/beta-ue4.mp4)
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Bertl
(with dramatic music :)
17:56
simonrepp
haha yeah ;)
17:57
simonrepp
i have a good overview of this now in terms of technical and artistic (if you will) possibilites and and am now moving a bit more to upgrading the source data I am working with
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simonrepp
Bertl gave me some pointers to how to set up a EAGLE -> 3D model pipeline for the beta pcb designs
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simonrepp
i did some research meanwhile in terms of tools and arrived at https://sourceforge.net/projects/eaglepcb2freecad/
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simonrepp
that's basically a plugin for FreeCAD that allows to import *.brd files, among others
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simonrepp
among all the brd parsers in different languages, etc. etc. this seems like the coolest and most viable approach to me currently
17:58
Bertl
interesting
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simonrepp
like with most approaches this also has the problem of mapping component identifiers to actual 3d models
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simonrepp
or rather: the problem of actually having the needed 3d models on disk :D
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simonrepp
so i'm currently investigating how to get an overview of which parts i need and where to get them the easiest and in the right format
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Bertl
well, that I consider the least problem to be honest
18:00
simonrepp
not sure if/how i'm going to succeed there
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simonrepp
i might be a non-issue, i just feel a bit lost in terms of what components even exist, how many there are, where to start etc. :)
18:00
Bertl
I mean: worst case scenario is 'somebody' searching for the models online till everything is there :)
18:01
simonrepp
yeah exactly, i'm trying to get an overview how much work that might be, and how to possibly split it up if necessary or helpful
18:01
Bertl
many parts look identical (R's C's and most L's)
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Bertl
so there is only one model for all 0402 R's required for example
18:02
simonrepp
ok i'll keep that in mind
18:02
simonrepp
that's exactly the insider knowhow i'm missing, and that makes me a bit lost in this :)
18:03
simonrepp
i'll just keep bugging you on irc from time to time i guess, if that's ok with you bertl :)
18:03
Bertl
no problem with that ... happy to share
18:03
simonrepp
ok that's all from my side actually, i'll leave one more minute for more reporters to speak up, and then, or otherwise, i'll close the meeting]
18:04
Bertl
btw, the FreeCad solution should cover future KiCad projects too (which I consider nice)
18:04
simonrepp
(cool! glad to hear)
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simonrepp
Alright then, thanks everyone for participating in this first general apertus IRC meeting!!
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simonrepp
Leave feedback here if you want to: https://lab.apertus.org/T260
18:06
Bertl
thanks for the moderation! appreciated!
18:06
simonrepp
I'll be posting the meeting notes later to team@ and axiom-dev@, see you in two weeks on 2nd january 2017 19:00 right here
18:06
simonrepp
my pleasure!
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max_bxl
thank you for the initiative of the meeting and the moderation !
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davidak
thanks everyone. it was very informative!
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max_bxl
gotta go... Good evening everyone !
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simonrepp
bye!
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simonrepp
Is the "Please do not seek technical support about Elphel cameras in IRC...." remark on https://www.apertus.org/irc-chat still an issue? I think this could be removed otherwise
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Bertl
probably not very relevant anymore
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Bertl
off for a nap ... bbl
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