#apertus IRC Channel Logs

there are a number of server solutions for linux

VLC for example can act as a live stream server

wb Sasha_C!

Bertl: i would like to do live video and audio streaming from a windows machine to a linux server and from there to the internets

yes

yeah, I was going to suggest icecast or some apache/php solution for that

here it is if you are interested

do you experience drops?

heh. nice. ok no problem

atm, I'm in the basement, working on the lens mount

indeed, yes

a vt330

yeah, I planned to replace it with a raspberry pi, but that project got on hold when I couldn't find a proper monitor/screen for this environment

http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Stuff/AXIOM/lens_mount_POM01.png

Bertl: nice !

off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!

good morning Se6astian.

How are you today?

good good

morning everyone

well, "morning"

It's 8pm here in Sydney ;)

It'll be Summer as of December 1st

Hey Sebastian, Bertl told me earlier today that lens mount has been installed and a higher grade CMV12000 is now in your / his possession. Fantastic news man!

From our conversation earlier today: Bertl: great, thanks! we got the new lens mounts (still have to upload a picture) and the new sensor from cmosis

[10:28am] Bertl: not much changed in this regard, the only difference is the material and a few adjustments to match the sensor better

[10:30am] Bertl: (should be ready end of the week if all goes well)

so end of the week for most parts

PhilippeJ, would you have a bit of time now so we can start writing the website content now?

I'll follow anything on this chat along the day, but I have a meeting right now

just had a skype call with a stereographer in Berlin to draft the basic requirements for stereo3d recording

morning everyone!

yes, thanks, slept quite well .. how was your day?

Glad to hear that. My day's been good, but I'm just about to go to sleep now

http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Stuff/AXIOM/lens_mount_POM01.png

Looks nice! Is that a matte black paint finish, or is the lens mount material black to begin with?

looks sexy, doesn't it? :)

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would be the same with the aluminum mount

but the case will get a few minor adjustments anyway

I definitely hope so

does the new lensmount still fit the sensor? :)

yes, that was actually the first thing I tried

(before I started to cut the threads and attach the bayonet ring

I had to extend the 'upper' tap drills to 1.5mm, but that wasn't a big deal, what diameter do they have in the design files?

yup

those should be 1.5mm exactly

because they were like 1.4 or so, I will measure them on one of the other pieces

Just sent a mail to dev, I hope it will spark some discussions :-)

more irc log progress: https://www.apertus.org/irc/index.php?day=01&month=11&year=2013

see you

wb

our bitcoin donation doubled its value :)

se6astian: On 3D camera support, another +1 to your estimation.

yeah, I have a 3D capable monitor sitting here and every now and then I get myself to actually use it in 3D, but the technology is just too clumsy atm

se6astian: Ignore 3D. You have a monumental task as it is without extra crap burden.

se6astian: Regarding that size, an accessory should be considered for mounting into a rod mounting / handheld design etc.

:)

Bertl: Design doesn't damn well exist on an axis of more or less features. Every single feature or design nuance necessarily pulls away or toward a given set of audience needs / hates.

Bertl: Moot point. Hack away. Just such a tremendously challenging target as it stands, let alone without tacking on more needs that pull away from the original audience.

Hell yes.

se6astian: well, there's always the mirror 3d rigs

also: mirror, based 3D rigs can be used for multifocal videography

se6astian: I'm not trying to be insulting, have you ever operated a larger handheld camera?

dmj_nova: InterAxial, also know as Inter Ocular distance

yeah

but then operated the focus of my cameras separately

se6astian: http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2012/10/why-a-shouldercam-should-be-heavy/

In fact, even calling it a 'head' puts it at odds.

dmj_nova: you shouldn't have to.

it works

just ok

sorry, gotta leave now, could you summarize your points on the wiki?

rexbron: well, yes. I'm not saying that one shouldn't design with ergonomics (heavy, body-fitting) foremost

just expressing that the electronics themselves will likely fit in a much smaller case for the minimal set

how you make that heavy and balanced could mean mounting the solid state drives somewhere else, or putting lead weights in the right spot

the same economics that drive process node shrinks

we're reached a point, a few years back actually, that the only motion picture cameras that take into account the human body cost more than $80k usd for a body, no accesories

A professional audience, I should say

In Grant's case, he stated in an interview he wanted 5D that did motion better. The body is designed to be held like a DSLR, except no viewfind to stablize it. It's decently heavy to be holding infront of you for long periods of time.

there is a place for small cameras

which one is Axiom trying to be? It can't be both.

but when the question is ergonomics vs. size, I'd go for the ergonomics

a completely different aspect, which is often ignored are the technical requirements

we've come to expect a lot when it comes to performace per dollar. The semiconducter industry entire economic model is about getting more for less.

don't forget, with semiconductors the smaller is better part only comes with the huge amount of units produced

I guess my point is there are a lot of small cameras out there that offer much of what Axiom does now. What does Axiom do that I don't have already?

on the of the main points of axiom (and that's why I'm here in the first place) is the open design

Bertl: but is that it? Is that the only thing that sets Axiom apart?

that might not be something which is appealing to you, but thats a major point for me (and many others)

Bertl: What do you want? A hobby project or a tool to be used?

my use cases are quite different from yours, as I'm not really interested in making movies

nah, that's fine, I hate dancing around

so probably the overlap in my and your camera needs and applications is almost zero

Bertl: very likely. What is your profession?

(I'm an IT consultant specialized on virtualization and embedded systems)

the majority will go for windows, then there are the folks who prefer that it just works (not knowing why or how), which will go with the mac

I'm a linux user, I'd say you might be an apple person

I do most of my pro work on Windows and Linux, the mac is left over from earlier in my life

the thing with microsoft and apple products (in most cases) is that if you find something annoying or something missing, you usually have only one option

when I find something annoying or missing, I simply fix it

now how does that apply to axiom

if somebody wants to adapt, extend or improve it in some/any way, it should allow that with minimal efford

so maybe axiom will be for you and maybe it won't, in any case, your input will be valuable and if it makes sense (to us) we will also listen and consider it carefully

troy_s and I. He is more knowledgeable

also I think you asked for my code

rexbron: I'm back

I guess, what I'm saying is that technologically it is very possible to build a device that has a "core" that is quite small, and a single body unit that is designed exactly as you suggest.

it's a bunch of tiny components trying to be part of a bigger accessory ecosystem

Bertl: Part of the problem with saying "open source is good because the user can just fix it" is that many users can't fix it themselves.

that said, open source allows a group of motivated engineers to adapt it for that group who isn't being well served

So part of our job is to listen, and try to make something that will work.

i.e. we will never be able to compete with each and every commercial product out there in all areas

rexbron: personally, one major part of what interests me in AXIOM is the ability to have a small, lightweight core component. It's nearly impossible to build an affordable motion control rig for a 45 pound device. Of course such a rig wouldn't be shoulder mounted anyway.

but we should be a very, very good tool for somebody

because of the high data rate?

sata cables do well for 20-50cm

(for weight balancing)

night night

for example, similar could be done with the battery, as long as it distance is not too far

Bertl: that doesn't sound like a problem for a "heavy cinema" unit

evening Sasha_C