| 01:14 | intracube | and some of the cameras from big name manufacturers have some rather odd design decisions
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| 01:15 | intracube | I was just looking at Sony's NEX-VG900 and it has a 24 megapixel sensor but has a maximum video res of 1920x1080
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| 01:15 | Bertl | you can't have enough megapixels on the paper :)
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| 01:15 | intracube | sure it takes stills, but that's not really the purpose of a camcorder, and then you get all the downsides of having to deal with those extra pixels
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| 01:15 | intracube | Bertl: true :( salesmen love it
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| 01:16 | intracube | VG900 seems to have quite noticeable moire/false colour issues and isn't that sharp
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| 01:16 | aombk | yes but videores needs a lot of processing and bandwidth thats why they dont use the full potential of the sensor
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| 01:17 | intracube | aombk: right, they can't. then suffer the consequences of poor downscaling. even though it takes nice, sharp stills...
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| 01:17 | aombk | sony charged 1000usd for a firmware update that unlocked 4k i think, some days after a hacker had unlocked that that feature
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| 01:17 | intracube | they should've put in a 3 or 4k sensor, properly downsampled
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| 01:18 | intracube | and would've got better low light as a bonus
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| 01:18 | aombk | before that, sony sold a much more expensive camera for 4k
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| 01:18 | intracube | heh
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| 01:20 | aombk | the thing is, corporations are a departments mess
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| 01:20 | aombk | they have very skilled technical departments but they dont make the decisions
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| 01:21 | intracube | yep, the marketing men do
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| 01:21 | aombk | yes and thats a pity.
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| 01:21 | intracube | or at least have too much influence
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| 01:31 | derWalter | so much to read again :D - nice!!
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| 01:31 | derWalter | btw... how will scottland vote, what do you think??
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| 01:37 | intracube | derWalter: it's going to be close. but the 'no to separation' votes have a slight lead
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| 01:37 | derWalter | looks like, yes :((
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| 01:38 | intracube | that's a bad thing? :)
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| 01:39 | intracube | even if you're in favour of separation, the forward planning if that were to happen is almost non-existent
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| 01:40 | intracube | imo if yes vote won, it should've been a staged separation over 10 years or so
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| 01:40 | intracube | but anyways, off topic :)
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| 01:44 | derWalter | mhhhhh the mp4 looks so much different from the original uploaded one....
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| 01:45 | derWalter | sometimes i miss the contrast, sometimes its to much (the grafiti scene)
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| 01:45 | derWalter | but nice grading in general
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| 01:46 | aombk | youre talking about the link i pasted?
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| 01:53 | intracube | aombk: did you add a mist filter to your grade?
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| 01:54 | aombk | yes, is it obvious or hard to spot?
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| 01:56 | aombk | gotta go. be back later. i intend to continue the grading of footage. so, any feedback appreciated
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| 01:56 | intracube | more noticeable on a few shots - the graffiti and owl
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| 01:57 | intracube | it doesn't look wrong
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| 01:57 | intracube | just stylised
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| 02:02 | intracube | I used a similar filter and dialled it up quite high on a couple of shots
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| 04:04 | derWalter | Bertl: what are you working on at the moment?
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| 04:05 | Bertl | a breakout board
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| 04:07 | derWalter | designing or welding?
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| 04:08 | Bertl | designing at the moment, I did some soldering a few hours ago :)
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| 04:11 | derWalter | hrhr :) i am just writing to pirate bay to promote the corwdfunding campaign
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| 04:34 | derWalter | und jetzt schreib ich noch vimeo an *fingers crossed*
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| 04:50 | derWalter | Bertl: wie lautet dem sebastian seine emailadresse?
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| 04:51 | derWalter | ah, now i start talking german cause its so late :D or would it better to use philippes email adress for contactinfo @vimeo?
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| 04:52 | Bertl | sp@apertus.org should be fine I guess
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| 04:56 | derWalter | kk
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| 04:58 | Bertl | thanks for your help!
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| 04:58 | Bertl | off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
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| 05:05 | derWalter | yo, me too...
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| 05:05 | derWalter | job done..
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| 07:38 | se6astian | good morning
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| 08:30 | danieel | aombk: i would not say hacker to a guy who edited a preference file and run md5sum over it :)
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| 09:09 | aombk | danieel, what are you reffering to?
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| 09:13 | danieel | sony f5 "hack"
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| 09:30 | aombk | how would you call that?
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| 09:34 | aombk | preference file edit
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| 12:55 | derWalter | asdf
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| 13:39 | Bertl | morning folks!
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| 14:11 | derWalter | moin
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| 14:32 | theuberkevlar | aombk, I believe the term people use is "script-kiddy". If it really was as simple as danieel makes it sound.
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| 14:32 | theuberkevlar | It's a like a way of saying "wanna-be hacker"
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| 14:33 | Bertl | in any case, AXIOM Beta is for hackers and script-kiddies :)
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| 14:34 | danieel | theuberkevlar: http://provideocoalition.com/images/uploads/Hallett%20pics/Screen_Shot_2014-08-29_at_9.01.20_PM.png
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| 14:34 | seku_ | that's good, i'm more a script-kiddie than a hacker :)
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| 14:38 | theuberkevlar | I'm like a wanna-be script kiddie, I can follow instructions from a script-kiddie
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| 14:39 | theuberkevlar | danieel, that's really cool that the unlock is so simple
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| 14:43 | aombk | anyway, i have no problem with him, if some people want to call him script-kiddy or wannabe hacker or watever i dont care. he altered something in his proprietary camera and he unlocked locked features
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| 14:44 | danieel | he probably used an F55 formatted media in his F5 camera :)
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| 14:46 | danieel | anyway, the reaction of sony was good - better than in PS3 hack era
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| 14:48 | Bertl | they've probably learned a bit since back then ...
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| 14:56 | theuberkevlar | how did they react to the ps3 hack? I've always been a pc gamer so I totally miss out on console news etc.
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| 15:10 | Bertl | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Hotz
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| 15:28 | se6astian | good evening/afternoon
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| 15:30 | mars_ | hi se6astian
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| 15:31 | se6astian | hi mars_
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| 17:33 | theuberkevlar | Another percent up! :)
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| 17:33 | mars_ | go go go!
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| 17:34 | theuberkevlar | I'm tweeting like crazy! I hope you guys are too, except for those of you who are actually making stuff. ;)
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| 17:40 | Bertl | great! keep up the good work!
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| 17:46 | se6astian | hurray, just retweeted
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| 17:51 | theuberkevlar | :D
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| 17:51 | theuberkevlar | did you retweet the one where I gagged about the iphone?
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| 17:51 | theuberkevlar | haha
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| 17:53 | se6astian | sure
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| 17:53 | se6astian | I saw the iphone can now shoot 4k :)
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| 17:53 | se6astian | and the app that does it costs only 1000$
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| 17:53 | Bertl | we should make an app which does 8k for only 1500 USD :)
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| 17:54 | Bertl | there is no limit to what interpolation can do :)
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| 17:54 | theuberkevlar | haha
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| 17:55 | intracube | hi all
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| 17:58 | Bertl | hey intracube!
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| 18:00 | aombk | are you people aware of other options for field recorder
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| 18:00 | aombk | appart from atomos and blackmagic
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| 18:01 | intracube | hey Bertl :)
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| 18:01 | Bertl | se6astian: what was the gaming capture device which worked before the atomos?
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| 18:04 | aombk | Bertl, it captured to h264 or something?
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| 18:04 | Bertl | no, actually it captured raw data IIRC
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| 18:13 | se6astian | its called "elgato"
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| 18:13 | se6astian | it does capture H264
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| 18:14 | se6astian | but you can at least choose the datarate in their software (windows only of course) :)
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| 18:15 | Bertl | so it uses a hardware codec?
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| 18:16 | aombk | you tested it with alpha?
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| 18:17 | aombk | atomos products seem to be the only option atm
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| 18:25 | aombk | but they are not cheap
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| 18:25 | se6astian | aombk: yes with the alpha
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| 18:25 | se6astian | probably some h264 hardware encoding acceleration inside the device yes
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| 18:26 | se6astian | atomos are not the only option
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| 18:26 | se6astian | there are quite a few recorders out there
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| 18:26 | se6astian | and with hdmi to sdi converters even more
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| 18:33 | aombk | you think it will be possible to monitor the video and have zebras and focus peak etc with an android phone or tablet or there are limitations?
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| 18:35 | se6astian | there are no plans currently to stream video to an android device
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| 18:38 | Bertl | but it would be possible to do with a fast encoder (preferably on the arm cores) and some streaming protocol (RSP) plus an android app/applet of course
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| 18:38 | Bertl | just not something we will focus on
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| 19:05 | intracube | can you guys see any practical way of recording 120fps straight to h264?
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| 19:05 | intracube | is there any existing product that can do it?
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| 19:06 | intracube | if 50Mbit/sec is needed for decent quality 24p, then 120 would be something like 250Mbit/sec
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| 19:07 | intracube | all the proprietary devices seem to be limited to standard framerates
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| 19:07 | intracube | (**all the ones I've looked at)
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| 19:09 | intracube | HDMI/SDI interfaces would be a limitation I suppose
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| 19:13 | skinkie | intracube: at the IBC EBU meetup BBC showed that they used an AJA compressor at 8K resolution
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| 19:16 | intracube | skinkie: any idea what framerate?
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| 19:21 | skinkie | intracube: i know the NHK stuff is 120Hz but I guess BBC was doing 60
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| 19:22 | intracube | 50Hz would be more likely for UK/EU equipment
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| 19:32 | danieel | intracube: there is a bitrate limit in h264 for each level... not sure if there is one covering 250Mbit
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| 19:34 | danieel | hardware encoders are usually 1080p30, with few exceptions which do 1080p60, and there are then some dsp's for multiple streams of that
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| 19:37 | intracube | I was wondering if it would be possible to distribute the raw frames across a number of hardware h264 encoders, then mux into a single stream
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| 19:38 | intracube | and it would need to be I-frame only
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| 19:39 | intracube | having a GOP structure with multiple h264 encoders likely wouldn't work
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| 19:40 | danieel | jvc did it that way for 4k/30
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| 19:40 | danieel | by quadrants and overlap
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| 19:42 | intracube | didn't they also split the encoded stream across multiple SD cards?
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| 19:47 | skinkie | intracube: i heard that Adtec was using a similar technique
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| 20:22 | aombk | i am very impatient i think i am going to get the 20k perk
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| 20:24 | aombk | will the whole team come to dinner?
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| 20:27 | Bertl | depends on where you live I guess :)
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| 20:38 | aombk | it doesnt say so in the perk description
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| 20:43 | intracube | the campaign needs more coverage! €2211/day avg will be needed to hit the target
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| 20:43 | intracube | unless aombk goes for the deluxe dinner date :D
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| 20:47 | intracube | sites like blendernation.com blenderaritsts.org would be worth posting to
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| 20:47 | intracube | anywhere where indie film makers lurk
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| 20:48 | intracube | assuming the site admins allow it
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| 20:51 | intracube | slashdot ?
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| 20:53 | se6astian | I posted to slashdot
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| 20:53 | se6astian | let me check how far down out post has been voted already :)
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| 20:55 | se6astian | hmm cant even find the submission
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| 20:55 | se6astian | maybe it never made it into the system
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| 20:55 | se6astian | please feel free to repost :)
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| 21:17 | intracube | se6astian: oh ok. I'm just checking with google. maybe it isn't indexed yet
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| 21:18 | se6astian | na I guess it was never posted
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| 21:19 | se6astian | but here I just reposted
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| 21:19 | se6astian | http://slashdot.org/submission/3858453/linux-powered-open-source-cinema-camera-now-crowdfunding
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| 21:19 | se6astian | please upvote :)
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| 21:32 | intracube | done
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| 21:35 | intracube | there was also this from 2010: http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/10/08/30/1639248/apertus-the-open-source-hd-movie-camera
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| 21:36 | intracube | a lot of the discussion focused on whether apertus would get hit my MPEG-LA/h264 licensing issues...
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| 21:36 | se6astian | yes there were lots of comments at the time
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| 21:36 | se6astian | lets hope people are still that interested in it now
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| 21:37 | se6astian | "Well, the name "Apertus" suggests it's supported by both Aperture Science and Hogwarts."
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| 21:38 | intracube | those mpeg-la comments are incorrect I assume?
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| 21:38 | intracube | since you won't be developing your own recording device for the Beta?
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| 21:39 | se6astian | and since we will avoid H264
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| 21:43 | Bertl | yes, I think slashdot, despite having lost a lot over the years, would be nice :)
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| 21:44 | Bertl | so maybe send them an email whenever you get around :)
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| 22:21 | se6astian | good night!
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| 22:21 | Bertl | night!
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