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2014/05/19

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Bertl
morning folks!
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se6astian
good morning
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Bertl
morning
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Bertl
off for now ... bbl
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Bertl
back now ..
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mookyj
HI, I am late getting back to reviewing the PCB /Schematic files, what tools was verson cmv12k-adapter-v1.2 done in? PDF's would work for review purposes if they are available
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Bertl
there should be PDFs out there, tool is eagle, which is also available for Linux/Mac/Windows for free to view both schematic and layout
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Bertl
http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Stuff/AXIOM/cmv12k-adapter-v1.0.pdf
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Bertl
1.0 schematic, the layouts for v1.1 are available as gerbers here: http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Stuff/AXIOM/cmv12k-adapter-v1.1.tar.xz
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mookyj
thanks
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Bertl
you're welcome!
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Bertl
mookyj: are you aware of the differences between public/channel and private messages on IRC? Just asking because last time I got the impression that this wasn't so clear.
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mookyj
Yes, thanks
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troy_s
Greets all.
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Bertl
hey troy_s! how's going?
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troy_s
Bertl: Not bad. You?
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troy_s
(Too busy at the moment here... aside from that fine.)
19:53
Bertl
I'm a little tired (have been up early and no time for a nap yet :) but otherwise fine
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troy_s
Bertl: Any progress?
19:54
Bertl
there is always progress
19:54
troy_s
Bertl: Ok. Dump it.
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Bertl
what area interests you most?
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Bertl
hardware, software, design?
19:56
troy_s
Bertl: High level overview?
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Bertl
well, beta main and I/O boards are coming into shape, we roughly know what we can do now ...
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Bertl
on the software side hdmi and (de)serialization is coming along (test setups)
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Bertl
debug tools and concepts are progressing as well
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Bertl
sebastian is working on getting new/good footage
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troy_s
Bertl: Tools and concepts?
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troy_s
Bertl: I saw somewhere where someone was thinking about the pipeline (yikes)
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Bertl
thinking about the pipeline? :)
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Bertl
regarding the tools and concepts question: there are some problems when you are doing FOSS/OH because some tools are simply not available for free
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Bertl
so you have to be smart and tricky to get the same (or often better) quality tools
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troy_s
Bertl: Not going to disagree... but would love context.
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troy_s
Bertl: The bigger issue with Libre is that it tends to have zero barrier for entry, which tends to also significantly bias any audience.
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troy_s
Bertl: And then the design suffers.
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troy_s
(Countless examples such as vocal folks that jump up and down when someone thinks about removing some Quake 1 codec from ffmpeg etc.)
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troy_s
Bertl: The zero barrier appears to skew audiences toward some strange cluster of archetypes that are remotely distant from any typical audience for a given tool.
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troy_s
Bertl: Heck... just look at the Apertus polls to get a sense of WTF.
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troy_s
Bertl: Tragic the responses regarding gender bias. Typical buffoonery at play.)
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troy_s
This piece of fheadery is particularly rich "The true reason a status quo is there because there can be a stable equalibrium of attracting and distracting forces."
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troy_s
Some fool needs to go read Foucault or take a course in the liberal arts.
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troy_s
It is borderline infuriating and make me reject the whole project that such a toolbag is even interested in it.
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Bertl
we love diversity, it is the source of new ideas
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Bertl
this requires tolerance, not acceptance :)
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Bertl
ad context: for example, xilinx provides a tool called ChipScope, which allows to basically attach a virtual scope to certain 'wires' inside the FPGA
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Bertl
but, as usual with proprietary solutions, this tools requires a specific license to use
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Bertl
(and of course, it limits you to the xilinx tools etc)
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Bertl
so we need to be smart and find 'other' ways to get the same 'feature' without requiring costly licenses
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Bertl
ad zero barrier: I got the feeling the entry barrier is quite high here, at least judging from the many folks who only pay a single visit and are never seen again :)
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troy_s
Bertl: gotcha on tools.
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troy_s
Bertl: Unless you mean the tools on the ML.
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troy_s
Bertl: Entry barrier is MUCH higher culturally already if that fheadery post is any indication.
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troy_s
Bertl: The _worst_ type where the black / white worldviewers truly cannot even see their repulsive stances.
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Bertl
well, I'm off for a nap I guess ... cya later!
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