00:24 | se6astian | time for bed
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00:24 | se6astian | the ill kept me awake far too long already :)
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00:25 | se6astian | I hope they will sleep as well now and leave us alone :)
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00:25 | se6astian | good night
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01:23 | Bertl | welcome Sasha_C!
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01:23 | Sasha_C | Hi Bertl. How are you?
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01:23 | Bertl | fine, thanks for asking! and you?
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01:24 | Sasha_C | I'm well too. It's a miserable rainy day in Sydney today, so I'm lucky to be inside (working in my creative studio today...)
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01:26 | Sasha_C | What's news?
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01:29 | Bertl | we got HDMI out from memory working
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01:29 | Bertl | another puzzle piece in the sensor to HDMI setup
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01:29 | Sasha_C | Awesome news! :D
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01:47 | Bertl | indeed
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01:58 | Bertl | wb aombk!
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04:15 | dmj_nova | Bertl: what's your current distro?
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04:16 | Bertl | where?
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04:17 | dmj_nova | on your axiom dev box
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04:17 | Bertl | mageia
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04:18 | dmj_nova | about to upgrade to saucy, hopefully I won't break the xilinx tools :P
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04:20 | Bertl | well, if it manages to break them, you can always use the older libraries for the tools, no?
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04:20 | dmj_nova | well, yes. Just hoping no frankensteining will be needed
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04:21 | dmj_nova | figured I'd see what you were using in case there was relevant information to be had
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04:22 | dmj_nova | For Novacut it's kinda important to be keeping current
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04:22 | Bertl | somebody reported that most recent ubuntu did not work with the tools, but I'm not sure that was really distro related
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04:24 | dmj_nova | when was that?
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04:25 | Bertl | not too long ago
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04:26 | dmj_nova | what was wrong?
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04:26 | Bertl | something about vivado segfaulting
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04:26 | dmj_nova | do we have logs for this?
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04:28 | dmj_nova | did the license and command line tools work for them?
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04:32 | Bertl | The bigger problem that I have is that the 2013.3 doesn't work with ubuntu 13.10 (it is true that it is not officialy supported)
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04:32 | Bertl | it crashes when I launch, coredump without any error log, I'm going to post on xilinx forum to know if it is a know problem
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04:32 | Bertl | this is all I noted from the discussion
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04:36 | dmj_nova | ah
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04:37 | dmj_nova | will have to consider a workaround then
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04:48 | dmj_nova | who had the problem?
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04:49 | Bertl | didn't record that and I do not remember
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04:49 | dmj_nova | ok
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04:50 | Bertl | but if he posted on the forums, it should be easy to find
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04:53 | dmj_nova | though that's vivado
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04:53 | dmj_nova | I think I used ISE
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04:54 | Bertl | FWIW, we switched to vivado two months ago
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04:54 | dmj_nova | ah, okay
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04:55 | dmj_nova | so I need new tools anyway
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04:55 | dmj_nova | haven't contributed much since I've been busy writing a gstreamer library
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04:55 | dmj_nova | how much overlap is there between the two?
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04:56 | Bertl | the VHDL is roughly the same :)
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04:56 | dmj_nova | how about the compiling tools?
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04:56 | dmj_nova | and such
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04:57 | Bertl | basically all is TCL based in vivado, which simplifies command line solutions
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04:57 | dmj_nova | why is TCL so popular?
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04:57 | Bertl | probably because it is easy to integrate in proprietary solutions ...
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04:57 | dmj_nova | also tcl/tk is an abomination
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04:58 | dmj_nova | all the worst GUIs I've seen were made with it
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04:58 | dmj_nova | makes GIMP look like an icon of UX design
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04:58 | dmj_nova | /rant
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05:03 | dmj_nova | http://forums.xilinx.com/t5/Installation-and-Licensing/vivado-2013-3-crashes-at-startup-on-ubuntu-13-10-64b/td-p/377655
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05:03 | dmj_nova | looks like no help was forthcoming
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05:04 | dmj_nova | know who m_foret might be?
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05:08 | Bertl | mikkael
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05:09 | dmj_nova | okay, will see if he got it working
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05:57 | Bertl | off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
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12:46 | PhilippeJ | Hi everyone, Hi aPinky ;-)
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13:32 | Bertl | morning everyone!
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13:40 | PhilippeJ | morning Bertl!
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13:41 | PhilippeJ | How are you ?
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13:43 | PhilippeJ | hi se6astian
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13:43 | Bertl | PhilippeJ: I'm good, thanks for asking. not fully awake yet though :)
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13:44 | se6astian | hello!
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13:44 | se6astian | I have a nikon F65 in my hands
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13:44 | se6astian | now the exciting moment of taking off the ring and seeing if it does match what we need...
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13:44 | PhilippeJ | hahaaa
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13:45 | se6astian | the poor guy I got it from said "there are even batteries in it already" :)
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13:46 | Bertl | well, I probably would have checked the ring there and asked him to take the rest of the case back and sell it again :)
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13:47 | se6astian | yes, here I dont need it anymore, there are even the batteries inside it still ;)
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13:47 | se6astian | Bertl, would you be so kind to dig out the scan you made of the ring on your adapter
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13:47 | se6astian | so I can easily compare them
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13:47 | Bertl | sure, sec
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13:47 | Bertl | http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Stuff/AXIOM/lens_mount_ring.png
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13:49 | se6astian | thanks
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13:49 | Bertl | np
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14:05 | se6astian | https://cloud.gerade.org/public.php?service=files&t=88644302ffde4f6e5659627a3c8bbf32&download&path=/Axiom/ring-compare-01.jpg
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14:05 | se6astian | they "seem" to be identical
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14:06 | Bertl | yep, looks good! well done!
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14:07 | se6astian | thanks, I now placed the images on top of each other and kept switching between them
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14:07 | se6astian | they are indeed identical
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14:07 | se6astian | unless there are some sub millimeter differences somewhere
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14:08 | se6astian | but I would say there is a high chance this ring will fit on the adapter
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14:08 | Bertl | I really doubt that, wouldn't make too much sense
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14:08 | Bertl | (sub milimeter differences)
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14:08 | se6astian | hopefully ;)
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14:08 | se6astian | the guy I bought the camera from for 15€ said he has another one of the same model in case I am interested
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14:08 | se6astian | I guess we are interested
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14:09 | se6astian | but lets put the parts together once the firstcut shipment arrived
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14:09 | Bertl | yup, agreed
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14:11 | Bertl | ah, just saw, then sensor arrived today, I'll have to check it out tonight I guess :)
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14:12 | se6astian | hurray
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14:12 | Bertl | so I'd say, end of the week, we should have our second alpha prototype unit!!
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14:14 | se6astian | \o/!
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14:15 | se6astian | did you lasercut the enclosure already?
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14:15 | Bertl | nope, still on my todo
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14:15 | se6astian | how about the metal part?
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14:16 | Bertl | I prepared the backup plan
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14:16 | se6astian | what exactly is the backup plan?
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14:17 | Bertl | just a metal piece to attach to the baseplate, no fancy L
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14:18 | Bertl | after the attempts to mill the holder failed for you and mars_
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14:18 | se6astian | baseplate = tripod baseplate, right?
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14:18 | Bertl | yup
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14:18 | se6astian | and the other side attaches to the top acrylic glass or to the lens mount?
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14:19 | Bertl | the idea is to lock it at the bottom of the acrylic case
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14:20 | Bertl | but feel free to pick up the L shaped holder once again ...
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14:20 | se6astian | well lets try the simple version first
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14:22 | Bertl | yes, I thought we can always 'upgrade' if we need to
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14:22 | se6astian | exactly
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14:32 | Bertl | according to the tracking, the lens mount from firstcut should arrive today as well
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14:53 | se6astian | wonderful
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14:55 | Bertl | well, let's see, sometimes they screw up, sometimes the tracker is just wrong :)
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16:05 | FergusL | hi here
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16:07 | Bertl | hey FergusL!
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16:08 | FergusL | is there a specific german and english expression for the party one hosts to celebrate moving in a new flat ?
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16:08 | FergusL | or house
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16:08 | Bertl | a house warming party?
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16:11 | Bertl | in german, all I know is 'Einweihungsparty'
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16:11 | FergusL | maybe ! in french it's "pendre la crémaillère", which translate to "hang the pothook", that means hanging the pothook above the fireplace so as to hold pots and cook something on the fireplace
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16:16 | Bertl | I guess in the spirit they are the same, maybe just the timing is different
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16:20 | Bertl | the lens mounts just arrive, first impression is good
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16:20 | Bertl | will check the tap drills and then take a picture/scan
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16:20 | FergusL | that's what you were discussing earlier ?
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16:23 | se6astian | great!
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16:24 | Bertl | FergusL: yep
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16:26 | Bertl | yeah drills look fine so far, only the holes for the bayonet ring are a little shallow, but that is a design problem I obviously missed
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16:26 | Bertl | but not a problem IMHO
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16:39 | rexbron | Bertl, se6astian: Re: sub-millimeter differences in lens mounts. They do matter! When I prep a camera, the flange focal distance needs to be within 0.02mm of spec, otherwise my focus marks are off
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16:40 | rexbron | and depending on the lens design, those 0.02mm is enough to throw the lens way out
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16:40 | Bertl | yes, we figured that the focal distance needs to be very close, but at the moment it isn't that important as long as we are able to focus at all
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16:41 | rexbron | Bertl: ok :)
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16:42 | Bertl | to be precise, we tested that with a camera by adjusting the distance by only a fraction of a milimeter
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16:42 | rexbron | Bertl: the other advantage of a professional mount like PL is that there are many tools available for making sure lenses and camera mounts are in spec. With stills, it's almost non existant. An autofocus sensor has no idea what distance it focuses to, it just says "Yep, that looks in focus"
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16:43 | rexbron | Bertl: if you are eye focusing, and especially with the short focus throws of stills lenses, then even 1 or 2 mm will still be able to focus an image at some distance in the range of the lens
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16:44 | rexbron | have you ever seen a lens collimator? It allows you to actually check focus at infinity (as counter intuitive as that sounds)
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16:44 | Bertl | yes, the only case we identified as problematic is when the lens mount distance is too large, because then the focus on infinity will not work
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16:45 | rexbron | Bertl: as a focus puller, you also want the hard stop at infinity to actually be infinity :P
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16:45 | Bertl | I can imagine that :)
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19:23 | Bertl | off for a nap ... bbl
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21:06 | se6astian | time for bed, good night!
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21:31 | Bertl | back now ...
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22:09 | aombk | lots of people in here. nice!
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22:10 | Bertl | yeah, the community is growing
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22:13 | Bertl | morning Sasha_C!
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22:14 | Sasha_C | good morning bertl
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22:14 | Sasha_C | How are you today?
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22:15 | Bertl | great, thanks! we got the new lens mounts (still have to upload a picture) and the new sensor from cmosis
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22:27 | Sasha_C | Congratulations! So the lens is firmly fixed to the main body now?
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22:28 | Bertl | not much changed in this regard, the only difference is the material and a few adjustments to match the sensor better
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22:29 | Bertl | but it means, that we will soon have a fully working alpha prototype which can almost be used like a normal camera
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22:30 | Bertl | (should be ready end of the week if all goes well)
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22:52 | Sasha_C | Like music to my ears :)
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22:52 | Sasha_C | Let me know when you think it'd be good to write up another news update for the blog
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22:52 | Bertl | will do
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22:54 | Sasha_C | Hey, I gotta go. I'll be back in an hour
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22:54 | Bertl | k, cya
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