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off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!

hi

great!

bbs

hello !

re ...

Unrelated but fun : http://wavepot.com/

anybody on right now?

theuberkevlar: and even if not, if you have a question, just ask, it will get answered

http://howww.com/ would that something be which could help promoting the camera? did some one already talk to the piratebay? (promo bay) did some one talk to vimeo for instance already?

but what to propose exactly?

i feel it stalled already, wanna get it going again, get more money into it than the 100k, and at least get to the 100k ofc :)

its not (only) the producers, but the consuments!

we can try :)

people who care for looks more than others

directly reaching for the endusers of films

We should all contact Vimeo! It would be awesome if they would feature something. They seem like the kind of community that would love to endorse open source cinema (unless I am totally off).

derWalter: check pm please :)

3 lines was all there was :)

before i lost the connection, i also asked for some press text i could send to the students at my university

and ask for some promotion from them

(partly)

good idea

I think we do

oh my gosh, those sunsets are sooo beautifull the last few days...

:D

not the 2.5gb one :-)

why not uploading the large one? on vimeo there is ftp uload, so if you have it somewhere online?

i ve a question, which, maybe will sound stupid, but it is groundbreaking important to me and maybe many others: what is the highes goal of this project, why are you (the main and core devs) doing this? whats the answer, for which you would go over your own bad feelings, like working with people you would not want in your living room, but for achieving that one goal, you work together, cause working together will make the vision

Hu, Btw in terms of footage it might be nice to see 15stop DR in action. Too bad that weather is unlikely to cooperate and deliver a day full of sunshine

That is if this wide dr is to be used as a headline feature to market the project

hi baldand!

se6astian: hi!

"cat rawimage.raw16 | python CMV12000toDNG.py" pipes one image into the pythong converter

I need a script that I can run to convert all raw16 files in a directory to DNGs with the same name as the raw16 file

perfect!

for n in *.raw16; do python CMV12000toDNG.py <"$n"; mv img.dng ${n%.raw16}.dng; done

thanks!

for n in *.raw16; do python CMV12000toDNG.py <"$n"; mv img.dng "${n%.raw16}.dng"; done

best would be to make the python script understand image sequences :)

works, already converting :)

If you are using python, you might be able to reuse some bits of MlRawViewer. E.g. it has a DNG.py module

(sorry if that's not relevant/helpful for this :-)

will test soon

(https://bitbucket.org/baldand/mlrawviewer/src/HEAD/DNG.py)

philippe_: pm

its actually very simple why I do it, and quite egoistic :) I would like to have powerful tools that I know to have full control over

I am a filmmaker myself so the tool is as important as the things you can make with it

Hello, I have a question regarding the ef-mount. You stated it would be passive, does it mean that even setting the aperature would have to be done manually?

and in a maybe more distant future, other craziness using the built in gyro (like reatime image stabilization)

The roadmap is partially defined by people interest, skills, and any lobying done by knowledgeable people here

kontrakatze, we will try to give a more precise answer regarding this as soon as we can

but stay tuned :-)

agreed, we also want it, we just need to make sure we focus on the core of the camera first

we don't want to promise more than we can achieve, it has already made people angry so many times with other companies / projects

I understand that very well, but it's good to hear its on the list.

this lossless jpeg thing is very interesting

lossless jpg sounds like an oxymoron to me :D

The one DNG uses is from JPEG 1992, which always had a lossless version

I'm just reading the wikipedia article

when you say the one dng uses, is it official ?

Yes

and what ratio can you achieve?

Depending on content of course

in the scope of magic lantern, you plan to use this to convert mlv to compressed dng ?

Yes

For archiving MLV files

you mean doing in camera compression ?

No I don't think so

There's no CPU for that

But Apertus could do that

huge achievement already, with non existent documentation :-)

yes, this would be a nice addition

ML is 14bit, so there's some extra bits there

No

2-16

we could at some point find a lossy compression scheme for raw data, because as told us convergent design's Mitch, people ask for 4k raw hfr, then they need broad shoulders to store and process it :-)

I already have a lot of sympathy for it, dating back from 92 :-)

lossless compression is always nice, but you still have to plan for uncompressed data

For what it's worth

thats great!

it's great, because it means magic lantern users will be at home and have a proven pipeline

I'm not sure how useful that will be if you are using e.g. CDNG

But it could help if you chosoe MLV

one more proprietary codec that will vanish in 5 years : http://www.cinema5d.com/kinefinity-release-kineraw-compressed-raw-codec/

wow@microsimage

sounds very interesting

https://wiki.apertus.org/index.php?title=RAW16

I'll see if I can view those already in MlRawViewer

does it do about 2Gigabit per second?

hello

yes

Bertl: kewl :)

just thinking in case a client were to request SD only (it might happen, I guess)

you're welcome!

oops, i just know the media theoretic/philosophic meaning of arbitrary, i dont know what it means in technical context

reducing that region by 1/2 or 2/3 or something like that -> easy

oh, you mean regarding aspect ratio?

i just meant to be able to say read 1920x1080 and put out 1280x720

at least with proper interpolation, but it is still doable

mhhhhhhh

so while a lot of things are doable, they might not all fit into the Beta FPGA

there is .raw12 as well :)

that can be, because the pattern depends on the sensor configuration

Looks like an SSD could just about manage real time playback for 12bit 24FPS

(if they are present and accurate at the end)

the Alpha I/O interface is too slow for sequences, we can only do time lapse

see you everyone !

SSD = 500MB/s

yeah, we estimated at least two Sata 6G SSDs for proper recording

If you would do that lossless JPEG, you would only need one

baldand: under the condition that the data _can_ be compressed at least 1:2 :)

Of course it depends what frame rates you are trying to reach...

12bit@24 only needs 450MB?

ah, okay, so you're talking about uncompressed

yes, jpeg should roughly halve that

I have one in my laptop :-)

(was the only way to make working with raw usable on a laptop)

my pleasure!

great!

See the commit message

excellent!

would it work for the .raw12 as well?

Needs a little more work though.

What's the format of raw12?

what about endianness

should be big endian, IIRC

is it described somewhere?

no problem :)

yeah, that's perfectly fine, same here when I'm off

ok time for me to go to bed

its a real pleasure to see things moving so well!

sounds good :)

sounds like a sales-pitch! sounds like a sales-pitch! :)

no idea, it just felt right ...

with less of a Log look

with that spelling

How do I respond to that? Misspeliing aside.

*Misspelling

http://aombk.attinom.net/axiomtest/1080p_1.mp4

Haha!

Exactly. What I ended up saying was: "Yeah, but it is so much more difficult when you have to fight through a proprietary system. And you void your warranty."

and possibly brick your camera...

aombk: nice. what software did you use to grade?

adobe premiere

intracube, but i only use basic filters so it can be done to any program

but then the proprietary, closed part kicks in and keeps you from fixing this or that, trying out the new idea, etc ...

and that might be right, but OTOH, everybody can hire somebody able to do that for him/her

i.e. try to find somebody who modifies the windows kernel for you :)

many people prefer to buy expensive cameras in the form of sealed black boxes and then pay thousands of money so that the corporation that sold them these black boxes will unlock its locked features