00:53 | mithro | well, if people know of anyone who might be interested, please get them to email me at *email address removed*
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03:51 | Bertl | back now ..
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03:51 | Bertl | was a longer nap this time :0
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03:53 | Bertl | mithro: sound great! do you have anybody in mind to do the implementation?
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03:56 | mithro | Bertl: yes, _florent_ from enjoy-digital -> https://github.com/enjoy-digital/ -- he came up with the $25k estimate and has done a bunch of great FOSS cores already (by getting companies to agree to open then up when he does it for them)
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03:58 | Bertl | nice! please keep me updated on the progress in this regard, as apertus would be definitely interested
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04:00 | Bertl | we might even be able to pitch in either with development or money, if there is a problem getting the five companies
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04:00 | mithro | Bertl: I have a specification I originally wrote to try and guide a PhD student to writing such a core
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04:00 | mithro | https://docs.google.com/a/mithis.com/document/d/1xSo71wu_t8SUuUZehakvqTL_png5YN-bOwD47PRXGIM/edit
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04:01 | mithro | Bertl: If you have any contacts at companies / people who might be interested, I'd love introductions
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04:03 | Bertl | yes, of course, I will drop you a note if I find somebody interested
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04:04 | mithro | how is apertus going?
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04:05 | Bertl | fine as far as I can tell, we are making great progress with the Beta design and testing
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04:05 | Bertl | both on the electronics as well as case and ergonomics side
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04:06 | mithro | my sister is an budding film maker here in Australia, I'm sure if you guys are successful it would be super useful for her
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04:07 | mithro | my project is also kind of interested in your stuff from a conference recording perspective - having everything be foss - including the camera gear is kinda of our crazy dream :)
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04:07 | Bertl | yeah, would be cool I guess :)
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04:08 | mithro | is anyone working on a PTZ style mount at all?
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04:08 | Bertl | you have to check with se6astian on that
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04:12 | troy_s | What is a PTZ?
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04:12 | troy_s | (Stoopid question I am sure.)
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04:13 | mithro | Pan-Tilt-Zoom
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04:14 | troy_s | Ok. Even stoopider question, what the hell is a mount then?
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04:14 | troy_s | Or what is a PTZ-style.
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04:15 | Bertl | I'd say a thingy where you can screw the camera on and it will be panned and tilted by some kind of servo system
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04:15 | mithro | Bertl is correct
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04:16 | Bertl | the zoom part sounds strange though, as it is more likely a feature of the lens system
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04:16 | Bertl | http://www.mcmelectronics.com/product/DEFENDER-SECURITY-82-12435-/82-12435
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04:16 | Bertl | (just as an example)
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04:16 | mithro | Bertl: yeah - that is often a sticking point with doing PTZ mounts rather than a full PTZ camera
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04:17 | mithro | https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1608311032/lenzhound-wireless-lens-motor-control-system/posts <- something like that can work
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04:18 | Bertl | ah, yes
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05:38 | troy_s | Remote head.
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05:38 | troy_s | Hence why I asked. Generally the term is a remote head.
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05:39 | troy_s | Sorry, looks like a FIZ unit in the link.
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05:40 | troy_s | Sounded like a remote head, but is actually a FIZ.
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05:41 | troy_s | Focus, Iris, Zoom. Pan, Tilt, Zoom confused the hell out of me.
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05:41 | troy_s | Seems like a confusion of gear. :)
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07:12 | Bertl | yeah, interestingly it seems to be quite common
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07:12 | Bertl | but note that the "PTZ" gear linked above is Pan, Tilt (no zoom though)
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07:13 | Bertl | I also think that the confusion comes from the dome cameras, which usually combine pan, tilt and zoom into one "remote controlled" unit
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07:14 | Bertl | (typical surveillance cameras)
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07:14 | Bertl | morning kgugala!
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07:15 | kgugala | morning
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09:29 | se6astian | good morning
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09:29 | Bertl | morning se6astian!
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09:36 | se6astian | I created email forwarders for nikos in /etc/postpfix/alias and added them to the whitelist in /etc/postfix/local_recipient and did run make afterwards, stil nikos reports its not working, did I forget anything?
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09:36 | se6astian | does postfix need a reload/restart?
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10:39 | Bertl | should be fine :)
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10:39 | Bertl | off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
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15:37 | se6astian | hey thre
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15:41 | se6astian | Yannick: ?
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15:43 | yannick | Hey Sebastian, I'm up now
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15:44 | yannick | Thanks for getting back to me
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15:45 | se6astian | great
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15:45 | se6astian | my pleasure
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15:45 | se6astian | so unfortunately bertl is still sleeping
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15:45 | se6astian | and I will leave the office in 15 minutes
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15:45 | se6astian | but that still leaves us a bit of time to chat :)
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15:46 | yannick | sound good
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15:46 | se6astian | for the VR rig you emailed
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15:47 | yannick | As I said in email, my end goal is to use the Beta camera to build multi-camera rigs. First stereo then VR
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15:47 | se6astian | do I understand it right that you want to create a left eye and a right eye spherical panorama, right?
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15:47 | yannick | I came accross the VR open surce group you mentionned but their focus is really video games, not live action
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15:48 | yannick | Yes, the final rig will be 6 cams, 3 stereo pairs
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15:48 | yannick | this is the direction the business is going right now
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15:49 | yannick | most people build them out of 6 reds but they are too big to be optimal
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15:51 | yannick | the problem with panorama video rigs is parallax. To avoid it, we would need all 3 lenses to be in the same physical space which is not really possible but by reducing the diameter of the rig to a minimum, it minimizes the problem
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15:51 | se6astian | I see
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15:52 | se6astian | Beta electronics designs are currently more wide than tall but you can easily just rotate the entire camera hardware by 90°
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15:52 | se6astian | the sensor is 4:3 so you dont loose a lot of vertical resolution
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15:52 | yannick | this is why this project is perfect for me since I can really optimimize the design. I'm taken apart tens of thousands of dollars worth of cameras in the past but that doesn't make something solid
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15:53 | yannick | I was thinking about just redesigning the chip board, flip it 90 degrees
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15:56 | se6astian | that will be rathe tricky
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15:56 | se6astian | *rather
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15:56 | se6astian | as the image sensor pins are top/bottom of the sensor
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15:57 | se6astian | and that are 64x 600Mhz LVDS pairs that need to be length matches
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15:57 | se6astian | *matched
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15:57 | se6astian | I am not saying its impossible, but you need to know what you are doing when you redesign this board
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16:00 | se6astian | ok gotta go
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16:00 | se6astian | I am happy to chat more later
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16:00 | se6astian | or maybe herbert awakes in the meantime :)
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16:00 | se6astian | feel free to stick around
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16:01 | yannick | I'm not expecting it to be trivial but I'm sure I can find someone to make this happen
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16:01 | yannick | Thanks, great talking to you
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16:04 | se6astian | definitely, we added a board between the sensor PCB and main Beta board that actually does exactly this 90° rotation twice so it is definitely possible
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16:04 | se6astian | see you
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18:31 | Bertl | morning folks!
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19:39 | se6astian | good morning
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19:39 | se6astian | new PCBs just shipped from OSHpark to you
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19:40 | Bertl | great! we should be able to submit the next pack tonight or tomorrow morning :)
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19:41 | se6astian | great :)
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19:41 | se6astian | trouble with the layout?
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19:43 | Bertl | not really, but I had to rearrange a few things to make it fit
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19:44 | se6astian | sounds good
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19:45 | Bertl | yeah, it is rather packed for a test PCB now, but OTOH, I managed to add a few options which were not planned
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19:47 | se6astian | please share, I love good surprises :)
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19:47 | Bertl | I'll upload in a few minutes (the current state)
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19:48 | se6astian | btw I just ordered SD cards for another project and saw that there is a new really fast generation of SDHC cards that claim write speeds of 250MB/s - now I have no idea of the SD card interface but I guess it would be simpler to interface than say SATA...
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19:49 | danieel | se6astian: which model?
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19:51 | se6astian | eg. SanDisk Extreme PRO SDHC 16GB 280MB/s, UHS-II U3
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19:51 | danieel | UHS was not part of the free specs some time ago.. not sure if that changed by having class3 devices now
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19:52 | Bertl | UHS yes, but UHS-II?
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19:52 | danieel | pin assignment is there
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19:53 | danieel | even from uhs-I it misses some diagrams
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19:53 | Bertl | UHS-II requires 0.4-volt operation, but otherwise it should be similar
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19:53 | Bertl | not sure about the protocol though
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19:53 | danieel | says FD156 and HD312 (numbers in MB/s)
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19:54 | Bertl | yep, HD would be fine though
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19:54 | danieel | at 8/10 it is 1.56 Gbps
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19:54 | danieel | both are probably same freq, just the arrangement of lanes differ (1:1 vs 2:0)
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19:55 | Bertl | yeah, sounds plausible
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19:55 | danieel | the transfer rate spans from 0.39 to 1.56 G... if that is self-clocked, then it is a nice feature
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19:56 | danieel | you can achieve like 1.25G at ioserdes at 1:10?
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19:57 | Bertl | hmm, UHS uses 4bit mode, no?
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19:57 | danieel | uhs1, uhs2 has these 2 extra pairs
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19:57 | danieel | uhs is rated up to 104MB/s (208MHz x 4b)
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19:58 | Bertl | I'm just wondering how you arrive at the 1.56Gbps (per lane)
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19:58 | danieel | 156MB x 10 (as for 10/8 coding)
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19:58 | danieel | 8b10b
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19:59 | danieel | the gbps are written in the specs
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19:59 | Bertl | but not on a single pair though
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19:59 | danieel | on a single pair
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20:00 | danieel | ok, so there is a dedicated diff. clock as well
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20:01 | Bertl | and yes, 1.25G even 1.6G is not a problem with the ioserdes
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20:02 | danieel | what about bidirectoinal - on the fly change?
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20:02 | Bertl | although it is not completely within the spec over the full range
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20:02 | Bertl | possible but a little trickier
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20:02 | danieel | 1.6 is usually only at higher speed grades / lower voltages no?
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20:03 | Bertl | the main problem is the output interface (capacitance, switching)
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20:04 | Bertl | ah, yes, RCLK is sent through DAT0/1
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20:05 | Bertl | se6astian: so yes, might be worth investigating
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20:07 | se6astian | great :)
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20:07 | danieel | the timing chart is missing
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20:07 | se6astian | I ll create a lab task as reminder
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20:07 | danieel | and about the voltage, only the 0.4v is mentioned, probably the vpp swing
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20:08 | lab-bot | sebastian created T292: Investigate SDHC UHS-II interface. http://lab.apertus.org/T292
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20:12 | danieel | the card seems to do 180MB/s write by the reviews
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20:12 | danieel | http://www.thessdreview.com/featured/sandisk-extreme-pro-uhs-ii-memory-card-review-16-gb/2/
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20:13 | Bertl | so interleaving 2-4 cards would work fine
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21:46 | lab-bot | sebastian created T293: Create Beta development status overview page. http://lab.apertus.org/T293
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22:47 | se6astian | time for bed!
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22:47 | Bertl | nn
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