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2021/01/18

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Bertl_oO
off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
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se6ast1an
good day
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Bertl
morning folks!
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grimler32
any al1ens or t1me travelers here?
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se6ast1an
grimler32: we might never know!
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grimler32
if there are any please pm me I need your help
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se6ast1an
save or destroy planet?
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grimler32
save!
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se6ast1an
very good
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se6ast1an
MEETING TIME!
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se6ast1an
who is here?
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se6ast1an
and ready to report?
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Bertl
is here ...
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metal_dent[m]
is present
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bluez
is here
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BAndiT1983
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eppisai
is here!
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se6ast1an
sounds good
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se6ast1an
lets do the usual order :)
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se6ast1an
metal_dent[m]: would you be so kind to start
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metal_dent[m]
sure!
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metal_dent[m]
last week after the contrast shader on the visualizer display was added, i created a toggle button
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osqar
Hi all
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Shohei
Hi!
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metal_dent[m]
the contrast layer can be turned on and off using that button
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metal_dent[m]
then we decided to move towards the hardware tasks, so i tested my USB code using the virtual serial ports which worked as expected
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metal_dent[m]
then to test on the real remote i asked Bertl to reattach the remote on the remote setup and tested there but as that one is newer version so it has some problems with UART
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Bertl
did BAndiT1983 get the USB working on the new remote?
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metal_dent[m]
along with BAndiT1983|away i am trying to debug the problem
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metal_dent[m]
> did BAndiT1983 get the USB working on the new remote?
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metal_dent[m]
not yet, we are trying to narrow down the problem
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metal_dent[m]
that's it from me!
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Bertl
I see, the serial adapter should be available tomorrow
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Bertl
(JFYI)
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metal_dent[m]
great!
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bluez
i'll continue with my report then..
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se6ast1an
many thanks metal_dent[m]! do you have any screenshots or images so we can see the progress?
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se6ast1an
yes bluez please start in the meantime
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bluez
okay! so last week i did more reading on PCAP/ICAP interfaces on the Zynq, and also revised on the frame/CLB structures etc.
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metal_dent[m]
yes here is the simulation -> https://lab.apertus.org/F170410
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bluez
i'm trying to write a python script to read back the bistream from PL... by directly accessing PCAP interface
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bluez
but it seems the PCAP can be used only through the 'devcfg' interface by Xilinx
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bluez
which has its own gotchas
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bluez
so i have been trying to make it work.. not quite working yet
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bluez
thats it from me!
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vup2
is here
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se6ast1an
many thanks bluez!
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se6ast1an
eppisai: ready for your turn?
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eppisai
yeh.
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eppisai
last week, I chnaged the underlying approch of keyboard to suit better for capital, small, other cases and was using using string instead of array of char
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eppisai
https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/54789531/104855284-db277d80-5931-11eb-8e0b-62ce806d6ac4.mp4
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Bertl
isn't a string an array of characters?
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eppisai
yes, but as i was using string stl (c++11)
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eppisai
it is also array of char with null character
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eppisai
but it is not well suited for pic32, i think.. so using an array of char now..
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se6ast1an
sounds good, what are the next steps or plans?
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eppisai
i am adding pointer now, and now user can select the key through knob
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eppisai
but my network is unstable
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eppisai
so will upload screenshot as soon as i get bandwidth
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eppisai
also made the proper qwerty keyboard
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eppisai
rows starting with Q,A,Z..
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Bertl
nice
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se6ast1an
great!
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eppisai
one thing, that i had noticed an hour ago
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anuejn
is here
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eppisai
their is no spacebar in keyboard rightnow
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eppisai
would that be needed?
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Bertl
good point
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eppisai
i think, my network is again ghosting me.. let me open irc log.. and will get back..
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se6ast1an
good question, spacebar could be useful I think
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eppisai
https://drive.google.com/file/d/15CL662uREGdgkI39MYhJvInQB7q-Y4su/view?usp=sharing
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se6ast1an
but a detail we can also add/discuss later I assume
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eppisai
ohk! :)
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se6ast1an
looks good
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se6ast1an
anything else?
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eppisai
ahh.. no thats it..
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se6ast1an
great, many thanks
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se6ast1an
Shohei: please go ahead with your report!
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Shohei
Thank you :)
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Shohei
I finished reading the link about the enclosure, roughly checked the relate linkes, and also
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Shohei
one of UI/UX (since it was discussed last week).
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Shohei
I'm coisidering to read links about PCBs listed here next since I want to get one sample in my hand.
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Shohei
If it's too difficult to DIY myself, I will buy the DIY kit, which is a bit expensive for me :)
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Shohei
https://wiki.apertus.org/index.php/AXIOM_Beta/PCBs
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Shohei
If there are anything I should read ealier, I'm glad if you could tell me :)
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Shohei
I am studying the structure of cameras of other existing models, too.
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Shohei
That's all :)
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Bertl
if you plan to assemble the PCBs yourself (i.e. 'build' the boards) please contact me for a preliminary check whether you have the right tools/skills there
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se6ast1an
great, many thanks - did you create an onshape account and open the enclosure model there?
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Shohei
Thank you verymuch Bertl. I will contact you then :)
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Shohei
se6ast1an, not yet. I willl make it. Thank you!
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Shohei
ups,
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se6ast1an
good!
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se6ast1an
let me know if you need any support in the process
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se6ast1an
vup2: what news do you bring us? :)
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Shohei
Thank you again:)
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vup2
well, anuejn and I worked more on the wavelet compression again
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vup2
Besides brainstorming ideas on how to improve the compression ratio with anuejn I worked on getting the rust implementation further along
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vup2
testing ideas with the python implementation is getting quite slow and we will need a rust implementation anyways for the recorder
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vup2
so the rust implementation can now do the basic steps, recursive 2d wavelet transformation, quantization, runlength encoding and huffman encoding
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vup2
only the inverse of the quantization and wavelet steps is currently implemented, but undoing huffman encoding and runlength encoding is not that hard and will follow soon
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vup2
the rust implementation can also now open 12 bit DNG files so it can read the demo real world files anuejn choose to test the compression
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se6ast1an
cool, what ideas/directions do you want to try to improve the compression?
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vup2
the next steps will be implementing the gateware optimized packing / unpacking of the compressed data in the rust implementation and then hopefully switching our experiments over to rust
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vup2
se6ast1an: I think anuejn want to talk about them
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se6ast1an
right
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vup2
so yeah thats It from me
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se6ast1an
some time in the last week we had the discussion if it wouldnt be beneficial to maintain the cineform raw standard compatibility so any software that supports it can read our files, I did some research then and discovered that the broad support for cineform raw in editing software has gone to 0 since gopro purchased it and killed it
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vup2
right
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se6ast1an
there is no software support anymore, not even gopro itself seems to support it anymore
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se6ast1an
so any direction we diverge from the standard is as good as the standard itself :)
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se6ast1an
anuejn: please go ahead
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anuejn
For the wavelet compression I mainly tested two things:
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anuejn
1. Limiting the huffman codebook size and defining an 'escape symbol' after which a non-compressed symbol can follow. This is essentialy equivalent to generating a non-optimal huffman table.
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anuejn
This allows us to reduce the hardware usage in the FPGA (save BRAMs). The tests showed that limiting huffman codebook size to a moderate size (1024 symbols) has a negligeble hit in compressed size.
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anuejn
2. Combining multiple frequent symbols into additional symbols
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anuejn
Experiments there showed that combining two characters of (-1, 0, 1) brings slightly better compression
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anuejn
combining more than two characters brought virtually no benefit as any savings in symbol count were outwight by losses in the huffman stage
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anuejn
I also experimented with some predictor based thing but that led nowhere unfortunately
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se6ast1an
has the JPEG XL documentation brought any new ideas?
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anuejn
Still on the list of things to try is nonlinear coding of symbols (which is a thing cineform does)
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anuejn
se6ast1an: not really
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se6ast1an
right
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anuejn
But I didnt try too hard
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anuejn
after all it is a completely different compression scheme
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Bertl
how large is the window currently required for encoding?
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Bertl
i.e. how many 'lines' of raw data need to be buffered?
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vup2
Bertl: for the basic algorithm about 6 rows
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Bertl
that is quite manageable ...
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anuejn
but then we need some buffers in addition in some places
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vup2
yep
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vup2
we have been paying close attention to the required buffer size to have it work well / efficiently on a fpga
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vup2
the way the final compressed image is packed is optimized to bring a low required buffer size while not loosing too much compression
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anuejn
the other thing I looked into is building the micro r2.1
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anuejn
I am currently cleaning up the schematics of the r2 and fixing up things that went wrong
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se6ast1an
a great!
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se6ast1an
*ah
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anuejn
I guess in a few days I would be ready to start on routing the PCB
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anuejn
but before that we need to finalize the mechanical concept
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anuejn
so that is something we have to discuss
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se6ast1an
I am happy to
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se6ast1an
Bertl: your feedback regarding R2.1 was mostly routing related right? not schematic?
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se6ast1an
trace length matching...
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Bertl
I really can't remember ...
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anuejn
maybe we should sit together sometime later and have a videochat session about that se6ast1an vup2?
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se6ast1an
sure!
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se6ast1an
and anuejn can you export schematic PDF once that is done for Bertl to take a look, maybe that helps to remember
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anuejn
Bertl: then maybe it is best if I send you the schematic when I am done and you review it then?
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Bertl
yep, sure
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anuejn
fine :)
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se6ast1an
very good
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anuejn
thats it from my side
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se6ast1an
many thanks!
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se6ast1an
quick updates from me:
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se6ast1an
I adapted the design of the prototype/test OLPF holder 3d print part
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se6ast1an
so there are now different adapters that place the filter at different distances to the sensor
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se6ast1an
in 2mm steps
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se6ast1an
I will print those soon and when I have a beta in hands again can start capturing new samples again for intrac and others
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se6ast1an
nextpcb has notified us today that the PCBs have been produced and shipped
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se6ast1an
should arrive on Thursday
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se6ast1an
DHL already forced me to pay import duties
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se6ast1an
beside various small AXIOM Remote software additions here and there
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se6ast1an
I mainly worked on Bill of Materials (BOM) related research for the upcoming production run
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se6ast1an
all parts have now been researched and I started ordering already today
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se6ast1an
as the parts need to go to belgium first its a bit complicated
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se6ast1an
will order the remaining distributors today or tomorrow at the latest I hope
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se6ast1an
thats it from me
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se6ast1an
Bertl: the finisher!
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Bertl
tx
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Bertl
well, I finally got to testing the connector replacement for the PM-MB interface
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Bertl
we originally went for the hiroes DF12 series there but the connectors caused many problems during soldering and rework
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Bertl
first they do not handle heat well, so hot-air rework is 'complicated'
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Bertl
then they always had a bunch of shorts because of the 0.5mm pitch which were hard so see and non-trivial to remove
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Bertl
so we decided to replace them but only after a verification
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Bertl
luckily we found an FCI product which looks very similar (same pitch, same size, even same footprint)
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Bertl
but doesn't seem to have those drawbacks
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Bertl
I originally planned to test them on the one AXIOM Beta DevKit we still have around, but I decided against that and reworked one of the newer main boards for testing
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Bertl
mechanically everything looks great, electrical testing happend in the last hour and seems to work fine, although I seem to have some weird power leak on the MB, but that is likely unrelated to the connectors
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Bertl
so in my opinion, the new conenctors are well suited for the task, but only time will tell
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Bertl
I also installed the remote remote, although we are still missing the serial interface there
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Bertl
and helped here and there with various stuff ...
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Bertl
that's it from my side for this week
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anuejn
thanks :)
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anuejn
what do you mean by "power leak"?
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Bertl
well, when I power up the test stack (MicroZed, MainBoard, PowerBoard) I have a yet unexpected 100mA current draw ...
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Bertl
s/unexpected/unexplained/
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anuejn
ah ok
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Bertl
it definitely originates from the main board
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Bertl
but I have no clue what could consume 100mA (not more and not less) there
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se6ast1an
thanks for the report
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se6ast1an
any news from the SATA plugin module front?
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Bertl
nothing there yet
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se6ast1an
right
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se6ast1an
anyone else who wants to share/report something
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se6ast1an
or ask questions? :)
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se6ast1an
ok then, thanks everyone for the meeting, great as always!
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se6ast1an
MEETING CONCLUDED
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Bertl
thanks for moderating!
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osqar
Bye!
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Bertl
osqar: that should be 'BUY!' :)
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osqar
Buy buy! :D
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se6ast1an
yes BOM BUY :D
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se6ast1an
heading off
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se6ast1an
supermarket closed already I just noticed
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se6ast1an
but maybe the online opening hours are not correct...
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osqar
Ai! Curfew
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osqar
See you guys
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se6ast1an
yes, hard! lockdown
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se6ast1an
see you
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Bertl
okay, just for the record, 100mA problem solved, it was a short on one of the SPI supplies on the MB
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se6ast1an
Bertl: great
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anuejn
se6ast1an, vup2 when do you have time to discuss mechanical stuff?
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vup2
anuejn: now would work form me
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anuejn
for me too
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se6ast1an
sorry, very busy currently
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se6ast1an
tomorrow afternoon is lighter again for me
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se6ast1an
off now
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vup2
ok, tomorrow evening will probably work better for me
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vup2
Bertl: with the current beta mainboard, are the clock capable pins among the lvds lanes of the plugin modules?
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vup2
(11:00 to 14:00 and after ~20:00 should work for me tomorrow)
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anuejn
anytime should work for me
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