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2015/01/18

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Bertl
off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
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se6astian
good morning
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lab-bot
colinelves created T265: Variable ISO via frame averaging.. http://lab.apertus.org/T265
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Bertl
morning folks!
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se6astian
good morning
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intracube
guten abend
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Bertl
folks! please check if anybody still has an old (ancient) intel 486 board with a zif socket 2 or socket 3 on it (they usually had a light blue color) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socket_2
17:31
Bertl
(or if anybody knows where to get those sockets for a reasonable price)
17:31
danieel
which sensor matches these?
17:31
Bertl
the CMV20k seems to be a match
17:32
danieel
that is quite expensive one :) got an ES?
17:33
danieel
i was getting some sockets from andon... they are not so expensive for the low pin count sockets
17:33
Bertl
yes, I know, but I'd prefer a zif socket, and as far as I know, they don't make/sell any
17:34
danieel
well i do not intend to change the sensors as socks :) socket is just as last resort failsafe..
17:35
danieel
have you got any drawing to confirm the match? then you can just get an old board and pull the socket
17:35
Bertl
that is why I'm asking folks to check for an old board :)
17:35
Bertl
if you know where to get one, please let us know
17:35
danieel
there should be a 486 datasheet on the net, no?
17:36
danieel
i am pretty sure you can get a board from ebay
17:36
Bertl
url?
17:42
se6astian
would this work: http://www.ebay.at/itm/1-pc-248-PIN-ZIF-PGA-SOCKETS-3M-TEXTOOL-248-POSITION-ZIF-FREE-SHIPPING-/111267551452?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19e81018dc ?
17:42
se6astian
ah found one
17:42
se6astian
http://www.ebay.at/itm/UNISYS-256K-WB-APIC-ERDY-45856614-001-REV-C-ZIF-SOCKET-2-SLTN9433-43624071-S227-/301465456754?pt=US_Vintage_Computing_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4630bdd072
17:43
se6astian
not supercheap though
17:43
danieel
where is a cmv20000 package drawing?
17:44
Bertl
CMV20000 43.18mm x 38.10mm (18 x 16 @ 2.54mm 12 x 12 center cutout, bottom right corner pin missing)
17:45
danieel
the 169 pin pga zif is 17x17, nogo
17:45
Bertl
yup, the 239/238/237 pin socket 2/3 should work though
17:46
danieel
sebastians 248 is 19x19
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danieel
i would not risk it as you might insert the sensor wrong...
17:47
danieel
i had another idea... what about using some sort of common inteface, like LGA2011 :)
17:49
Bertl
I doubt that it will fit into an LGA2011 socket :)
17:50
danieel
how big it is?
17:50
Bertl
about 50mm in square, but it is PGA so the pins are larger
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se6astian
bbs
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se6astian
back
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se6astian
found a board that already does 100% what we need
18:57
se6astian
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AXIOM-SSC-486VGA-ISA-SINGLE-BOARD-COMPUTER-486-SBC-SOCKET-3-/270985142702?pt=Motherboards&hash=item3f17f921ae
18:57
se6astian
the AXIOM SSC
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danieel
Absolute.
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danieel
:P
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davidak1
haha
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comradekingu
SM951 or SM953 looks promising. m.2 standard seems to be established
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comradekingu
is there room to fit a M.2 2280 anywhere?
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troy_s
Crap I need an IRSSI shell.
20:56
troy_s
slikdigit, Replied.
20:56
troy_s
slikdigit, Hopefully you can book some time for some chats on it. At the very least you should try to get a little color-critical area set up for final grade
20:59
slikdigit
yeah
21:00
slikdigit
thanks troy_s
21:00
troy_s
slikdigit, How far along are you now?
21:00
slikdigit
probably just as far as last time we talked :)
21:00
slikdigit
I've been doing a lot of payed = not tube work
21:01
troy_s
With the hope that pushes along WFE I take it.
21:01
slikdigit
so basically we have: a bunch of textures, all the color stuff is 8 bit sRGB
21:01
troy_s
Sure. I don't see a huge issue to be honest.
21:01
slikdigit
color values etc. have been picked in that space
21:01
troy_s
I mean my gut says that it makes logical sense to not aim too high.
21:02
troy_s
Just try for a "Going to focus on getting the output right for 709" for example.
21:02
troy_s
Sort of nail that landing, but keep options open for a remaster.
21:02
slikdigit
and we have some renders, maybe up to around 50% of the project, but only a few shots are close to being called 'final' and even then close and not 100%
21:02
troy_s
What are your archival frames being rendered to?
21:02
troy_s
Please say EXR.
21:02
slikdigit
and then there's about 30% of the project that needs animation to bigger or smaller extents
21:03
troy_s
(Zip compressed, or even at worst, half)
21:03
slikdigit
EXR and jpg previews
21:03
troy_s
Oh awesome.
21:03
troy_s
Well EXR sets you up well for attempting a remaster.
21:03
slikdigit
zip compressed, full
21:03
troy_s
I'd also think it would probably give you some great material for a blog post.
21:03
troy_s
For a remaster I'd think that it is super viable to do a per-shot grade IF
21:03
slikdigit
yeah, for smaller projects I often do png, but sometimes 16 bit pngs
21:04
troy_s
your shots are rendered in isolation (via the reel system I blahed out or simply shot by shot)
21:04
slikdigit
shot by shot
21:04
troy_s
PNG is really a format that needs to die.
21:04
troy_s
Try half EXr.
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troy_s
But anyways.
21:04
slikdigit
for the fsf project it was totally adequate
21:04
troy_s
Sure.
21:05
slikdigit
horses for courses
21:05
troy_s
Needless to say, a simple regrade could probably work really well for 2020.
21:05
slikdigit
that's great news
21:05
troy_s
While not 'rendering' to your destination, you can still tweak your saturations outwards etc.
21:05
slikdigit
not so needless to say
21:06
troy_s
My only thought would be that to think about it. A per-shot grade is going to require you to keep your shots clean.
21:06
slikdigit
I wonder if it is possible to get a higher gamut display for doing so. I should look into that
21:06
troy_s
(As in dissolves and such are a no go.)
21:06
troy_s
Of course it is.
21:06
troy_s
No need to look into it.
21:06
slikdigit
(well also in terms of budget)
21:06
troy_s
Oh hardware.
21:07
troy_s
Well I'm reasonably sure your community might be able to contribute.
21:07
slikdigit
There are very few dissolves in the project, it would be possible to set those up for grading without too much issue I think
21:07
troy_s
There's a good number of pretty decent displays out there. That HP is probably the best in that class, but suffers from some manufacturing consistency. The Asus uses the same panel I believe.
21:07
troy_s
Sure.
21:08
slikdigit
yeah, the HP displays are nice
21:08
slikdigit
I don't recall what's available at the institute
21:08
troy_s
I'd hope that you don't mangle yourself to work around the dissolves but rather orient yourself toward a per-shot grade from the start if that makes sense.
21:08
slikdigit
they have some enzo? displays I think
21:08
troy_s
Eizos
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slikdigit
that's it
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troy_s
Probably older wider gamut Eizos.
21:08
troy_s
Which are rather significantly wider than sRGB.
21:09
troy_s
(Hence many of the issues. Folks tend to think "GO OUT AND BUY WIDE GAMUT" but that is as bad as buying a super crap sRGB because the primaries are _so_ different in the display.)
21:09
slikdigit
I'm working with Dell IPS displays currently
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troy_s
Ultrasharp?
21:09
slikdigit
probably? I forgot the exact name
21:09
troy_s
Dell panels in the US class are fantastic.
21:09
troy_s
24 or 27"?
21:10
slikdigit
They aren't marketed as 'pro' color displays. but they are nice. 24" only, 1920x1200
21:10
troy_s
Hrm. I wonder if it is the 24" Ultrasharp.
21:10
troy_s
That's a really solid display.
21:10
slikdigit
we also have some cinema displays which are also pretty nice
21:10
troy_s
Does it have an AdobeRGB mode in the settings do you recall?
21:10
troy_s
Apple Cinemas are identical panels as in the Dell 2711.
21:10
slikdigit
I don't. I've calibrated mine with a sensor a while ago
21:10
troy_s
90ish percent Adobe.
21:10
slikdigit
too long to remember now what the settings were
21:11
slikdigit
but afaik they had a bunch
21:11
troy_s
Have you watch the calibration / profiling on wide gamuts too. The cheaper colorimeters can give wrong results.
21:11
slikdigit
we also have a (terrible!) old 3x inch apple cinema that uses a TFT screen
21:11
troy_s
LOL
21:11
troy_s
Yeah great stuff that.
21:11
slikdigit
I mean, it is huge, but colors on it are so washed out. For a TFT it's decent I guess.
21:12
slikdigit
but I wouldn't use it for grading
21:12
troy_s
Higher density == crappier display almost universally
21:12
troy_s
That's a key point... you don't need color critical stuff until grading really.
21:12
troy_s
The _only_ "keep your eyes on it" is the transforms. As long as the transforms are correct in terms of data fidelity, you can actually work on a black and white panel if you want.
21:12
slikdigit
my laptop screen is so crappy it provides me with a 'this is how shitty stuff can look' display
21:13
troy_s
You just don't want to mangle up your colorspaces accidentally - mixing and matching due to a bad transform etc. is a bloody nightmare.
21:13
troy_s
Even shitty you might be surprised at how much closer the thing is than say, five years ago even.
21:13
troy_s
Most of it is the angles of the primaries. If the display is super unsaturated but the axis for say, the sRGB red primary is in line with its smaller saturation, and for G and for B for example
21:14
troy_s
the colors are at least _closer_ in terms of overall look
21:14
troy_s
worst case is when your primaries are hue rotated significantly and differently.
21:14
troy_s
then its just a mess.
21:14
troy_s
So you banged out the FSF project, what else is on your plate?
21:20
slikdigit
well, right now a few smallish things; reviewing blender for dummies (almost done) and I'm semi-volunteered (as in paid but low) to mc/show elephants dream with live music / do an improv projection with a musician
21:21
slikdigit
it's kind like VJing but with blender and 3d stuff
21:21
slikdigit
and then there are a few jobs of similar scope to fsf that are still in early negotiation
21:22
slikdigit
and also smaller stuff like doing a vfx shot on a film, etc.
21:22
slikdigit
hard to keep track of
21:22
troy_s
Very cool.
21:22
troy_s
Single shot?
21:23
slikdigit
yeah, there's some full cg shots in a film I've heard about - I don't even know the title of the film yet
21:23
slikdigit
and they're looking for 'can do it all' people to farm out some shots to
21:23
troy_s
That's always fun when you deal with folks that know about zero about light and pixels.
21:23
slikdigit
I don't know anything yet though
21:24
slikdigit
fateh is also going to try to fund a sort of documentary project [doc film + website ] that will be released both as a full film and a set of individual reusable clips under CC
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slikdigit
about libre culture (free software/ open source/ Creative commons, etc.) Called 'invisible city' tentatively)
21:25
slikdigit
but this has been a long term plan, trick is to find funding for it.
21:26
slikdigit
who knows? it might be cool to use axiom cameras for it depending on when we are in production
21:27
slikdigit
so yeah, we'll see :)
21:27
slikdigit
I'm gonna go make some food, laterz!
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se6astian
time for bed
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se6astian
good night
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se6astian
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danieel
troy_s: the wide gamut 30" is hell :) not just the primaries are different, the filter on the screen is ugly and produces small dots (it is similar when seeing interference dots from a laser)... i hate that
22:45
danieel
the standard gamut ones does not have the same type of antiglare filter
22:52
troy_s
danieel: Some antiglares are fine. I'm not all that into them as a whole, but the tradeoff from glossy is fair.
22:53
danieel
there is glossy, matte and those ugly miracle dots... looks like small lenses - as you turn your head, you see bubbling noise
22:56
skinkie
Bertl: http://lab.apertus.org/T37 ping as requested
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Bertl
tx
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Bertl
skinkie: hmm, why not change sdboot to actually do what we want?