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| 00:26 | theuberkevlar | Rebelj12a, I got the Portal joke.
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| 00:26 | theuberkevlar | That would be pretty great! GladOS working for apertus. :)
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| 00:49 | Rebelj12a | haha yes
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| 00:50 | Rebelj12a | although HAL-9000 ought to be recognized by most... *looks around shiftily for interlopers*
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| 00:52 | Bertl | but it wouldn't be such a triumph :)
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| 01:18 | Rebelj12a | True true enough.
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| 01:19 | Rebelj12a | makes mental note to make a cardboard version of the Beta with a potato in it and say it runs PotatOS, bonus for working screen.
| | 01:20 | Rebelj12a | Bonus for working sensor. I have an old binoculars camera sensor haha like 640x320 resolution pictures I had saved for some project or some other.
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| 01:21 | intracube | hello
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| 01:22 | Rebelj12a | ello
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| 01:49 | theuberkevlar | PotatOS, ha!
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| 01:51 | Rebelj12a | Yep PotatOS with LemonBox Power XD Anyways
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| 01:53 | Bertl | Space? Space! Spaaaaaaaaaace!
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| 01:58 | theuberkevlar | the final frontier
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| 01:58 | theuberkevlar | whoops, wrong quote
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| 01:59 | theuberkevlar | On a serious note is there any general tasks that someone with little to no programming experience can help with?
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| 02:00 | Bertl | there are a huge number of tasks which do not involve any programming at all
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| 02:00 | theuberkevlar | Feedback, contacting people, drawing anime concept art of characters using the BETA while riding on yoshi like creatures.
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| 02:00 | theuberkevlar | etc?
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| 02:01 | Bertl | for example, but more development related would be
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| 02:01 | Bertl | - double and triple checking part dimensions
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| 02:01 | Bertl | - designing library components
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| 02:02 | Bertl | - documentation and proof reading
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| 02:02 | Bertl | and those are just a few which come to my mind right now, because I'm working on the sensor board :)
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| 02:03 | Bertl | here are a bunch more:
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| 02:03 | Bertl | - finding components and checking prices
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| 02:03 | Rebelj12a | Converting all the IAM files to CAD dwg files... *whistle whistle*
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| 02:03 | theuberkevlar | Cool! I would be especially helpful with the doc/proof reading.
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| 02:03 | Bertl | Rebelj12a: yes, that too for example
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| 02:04 | Bertl | making sure that everything is open and well documented
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| 02:05 | Rebelj12a | Ive been working on the wiki for that. Just struggling with my most recent project then its open season.
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| 02:07 | Bertl | theuberkevlar: for example, we have a lot of information which is thrown at us right now ... we won't always succeed in collecting it and putting it somewhere we can look it up when we need to
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| 02:07 | Rebelj12a | Ive started a github thing. Although I cant seem to push I dont know might be doing it wrong. Additional folders for info and storage of documents and items.
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| 02:08 | Bertl | theuberkevlar: going through the IRC logs and checking if we have that information somewhere and/or referencing it would be a good idea too
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| 02:08 | Bertl | Rebelj12a: did se6astian add you to the repository?
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| 02:08 | Bertl | if not (yet), just collect it in your repository for now and push it later (after asking him to add you)
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| 02:09 | Rebelj12a | I think he did
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| 02:09 | Rebelj12a | Like i said i might just be doing it wrong.
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| 02:09 | Bertl | there is a git cheat sheet, if you're new to git
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| 02:10 | Rebelj12a | yeah
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| 02:10 | Bertl | theuberkevlar: this might also be something which could benefit from some quick intro/good documentation
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| 02:10 | Bertl | with a few links and some examples how to get started, what can be found where, etc
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| 02:18 | Rebelj12a | Ah I cant I see
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| 02:20 | theuberkevlar | Cool. So when you say go through the IRC logs to check for stuff, what kind of stuff exactly? Just links that people share or suggestions that people give or dicussions that people have about developing the BETA?
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| 02:21 | Bertl | everything, yes
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| 02:21 | Bertl | if somebody suggests something and it turns out to be a bad idea or impractical
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| 02:21 | Bertl | it doesn't mean that the information is not useful
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| 02:22 | Bertl | it should be documented that it was considered and why it was rejected (in this example case)
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| 02:22 | Rebelj12a | Yes highlight and screenshot. while I figure out how to get the idea cloud uploaded
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| 03:28 | Bertl | off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
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| 03:28 | Rebelj12a | night
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| 07:02 | lab-bot | philippej created T26: Create an publicize an #novice or similar hashtag for people who want to start contributing and tag the tasks accordingly. http://lab.apertus.org/T26
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| 07:04 | philippej | lab-bot will just notify us of new tasks and closed tasks, is it a good balance between channel spam and usefull information?
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| 07:18 | se6astian | good morning
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| 08:11 | lab-bot | sebastian created T29: elphel prototype rig images. http://lab.apertus.org/T29
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| 11:44 | Bertl | morning folks!
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| 11:55 | se6astian | good morning
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| 12:20 | Rebelj12a | Good early early morning
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| 12:20 | Rebelj12a | For me anyways
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| 12:20 | Rebelj12a | Time to wrestle the gator that is fcpx resolve roundtrip but first, any electrical engineers in the house?
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| 12:42 | Bertl | for what purpose?
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| 12:46 | Rebelj12a | A question haha. Simple electronics, running 120v power appliances off battery.
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| 12:47 | Bertl | doesn't work :)
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| 12:49 | Rebelj12a | At all? Not even with a charge up capacitor ballast?
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| 12:50 | Bertl | 120v = AC, battery = DC
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| 12:50 | Bertl | you need an inverter to generate the alternating current
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| 12:51 | Rebelj12a | Ahh blast...
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| 12:52 | Rebelj12a | Well there goes that idea.
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| 12:53 | Rebelj12a | No no what if the battery is hooked up to an inverter and then a ballast stores the power for device use untilnhigh enough charge and releases through resister the amount of current needed?
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| 12:54 | Bertl | what appliances do you have in mind?
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| 12:56 | Rebelj12a | Personal project and for testing motors without the need to buy them. Project is making a portable smoke machine from an old humidifier. Gives me more experience working with heating elements.
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| 12:56 | Rebelj12a | And liquids
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| 12:58 | Rebelj12a | Anyways, that one goes on back burner I suppose.
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| 13:05 | lab-bot | sebastian created T32: update https://wiki.apertus.org/index.php?title=AXIOM_Beta#Dual_Micro_SD_Module. http://lab.apertus.org/T32
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| 13:09 | Rebelj12a | Getting really tired of apples proprietary crap. Can't upgrade my laptop to more EAM because they soldered them in. :/
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| 13:10 | Rebelj12a | RAM*
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| 13:11 | Bertl | yeah, well, that's not proprietary per se, that is saving space and reducing weight
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| 13:11 | Rebelj12a | Maybe... Maaaybe...
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| 13:12 | Rebelj12a | Lol, you are probably right but the consumer in me is thinking they just want you to spend more initially by not allowingnyou to upgrade later.
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| 13:18 | Rebelj12a | In any case. A bit of news. For those inclined I created a FireChat room for Apertus. Well nothing special... I'm just there and lurking lol. Here's hoping their API comes out and a better app can be made. It has the potential to be a localized sort of IRC.
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| 13:30 | Rebelj12a | Oh jeeze just saw on the wiki. You guys want an industrial 3d printer wow. Those specs and features.
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| 13:38 | se6astian | bb in the evening
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| 13:38 | se6astian | that are not industrial 3d printers
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| 13:39 | se6astian | anway
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| 13:39 | se6astian | gotta go
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| 13:39 | se6astian | https://wiki.apertus.org/index.php?title=3D_Printer_Evaluation
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| 13:39 | se6astian | bye
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| 13:39 | Rebelj12a | Bye
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| 13:39 | Rebelj12a | Well industrial in terms of totally different than extruder 3d printers I'm used to.
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| 13:40 | Rebelj12a | Hm where would we put info and insights.
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| 13:42 | Bertl | best on the wiki in a neutral form
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| 13:43 | Rebelj12a | Neutral ok
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| 13:44 | Rebelj12a | Well I was up far too early today. In any case I'll talk to you all later heading to the office.
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| 14:16 | intracube | small bug when registering at lab.apertus.org: after submitting username, email, password the page redirects to this image: http://lab.apertus.org/file/data/nq5pcrecelctlkyheun5/PHID-FILE-gyk3627n7h7evskn2c6n/project.png
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| 14:16 | intracube | but a confirmation email still appeared and account has been registered ok
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| 14:17 | intracube | so a bug on the bug tracker :P
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| 14:17 | intracube | FF 31.1.0 linux
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| 14:22 | Bertl | yeah, please file a bug with the bug tracker :)
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| 14:23 | intracube | Bertl: seriously?
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| 14:23 | Bertl | philippe will look into it
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| 14:23 | intracube | ok then
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| 16:16 | Rebelj12a | Aha im githubbing.... er gitting, er git er done?
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| 16:16 | Rebelj12a | lol
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| 17:38 | Bertl | back now ...
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| 17:46 | surami | morning!
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| 17:46 | Bertl | morning surami!
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| 17:46 | mars_ | hey surami
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| 17:46 | surami | i have something in my mind again
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| 17:47 | Bertl | quick, get it out!
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| 17:47 | Bertl | :)
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| 17:47 | surami | is it possible to reprogram a HDMI connector from IN to OUT?
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| 17:47 | Rebelj12a | Grab the drill!
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| 17:47 | surami | or sorry
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| 17:47 | Bertl | HDMI connectors are ambivalent to the direction
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| 17:48 | surami | i want to OUT to IN
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| 17:48 | Rebelj12a | If it has the hardware capability in it. For instance the atrix 2 does not its impossible. Even though it has hdmi out.
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| 17:48 | Rebelj12a | Its a hardware thing apparantly
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| 17:48 | surami | as we know
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| 17:48 | surami | the 4K RAW will go out
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| 17:48 | surami | on HDMI
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| 17:49 | surami | thats ok
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| 17:49 | surami | if the HDMI port of this
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| 17:49 | surami | http://www.solid-run.com/wiki/HummingBoard_Hardware
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| 17:49 | surami | could be reprogrammed somehow to OUT
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| 17:49 | surami | sorry IN!
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| 17:50 | surami | then with there is a mini pcie connection on it for eg. SSD
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| 17:50 | surami | to save the data
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| 17:50 | surami | or msata
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| 17:50 | Rebelj12a | Hummingboard itself would capture as like a separate entity?
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| 17:50 | surami | and USB to ->
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| 17:50 | Rebelj12a | to the ssd?
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| 17:51 | Bertl | do you have the schematic somewhere?
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| 17:51 | Bertl | the images are not good enough to tell what the components are
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| 17:51 | surami | now i don't
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| 17:51 | surami | have that
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| 17:52 | surami | http://download.solid-run.com/pub/solidrun/HummingBoard/rev-3.0/HummingBoard-rev-3_0-schematics.pdf
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| 17:54 | Bertl | hmm, according to that schematic, the HDMI connector is not really connected anywhere?
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| 17:54 | surami | this is in my mind AXIOM Beta HDMI out -> HummingBoarad HDMI (reprogrammed port) -> HB mPCIe SDD
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| 17:54 | Bertl | i.e. it goes to a another connector
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| 17:55 | Bertl | J7
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| 17:55 | surami | i don't understand shematics...
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| 17:55 | surami | so
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| 17:55 | surami | ..
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| 17:55 | surami | i just understad HDMI, SSD etc. stuffs :D
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| 17:56 | Bertl | ah, I see, the core module is just plugged on
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| 17:56 | Bertl | so we need some documentation for the MircoSOM i.MX6 as well
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| 17:56 | Bertl | basically so far nothing speaks against OUT and IN functionality
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| 17:57 | surami | http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/taxonomy.jsp?code=IMX6X_SERIES&cof=0&am=0
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| 18:01 | Bertl | I don't see any mentioning of HDMI input on the i.MX6, so I would presume that port is just an output from the graphics engine
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| 18:01 | Bertl | but you might want to ask freescale about that, from the hummingboard schematic nothing speaks against it
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| 18:02 | surami | we have to bypass the graphic engine
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| 18:02 | surami | and let the information flow from HDMI to mPCIe
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| 18:02 | surami | :D
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| 18:03 | Bertl | (the ZYBO development board for example has a dual role HDMI port)
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| 18:04 | Bertl | sounds spectacular! :) but to make it work, you would have to create a filesystem and files on the fly, interpret this for sensding PCIe commands to the SSD and timing/buffering the data accordingly
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| 18:04 | surami | well i can't programm and do this kind of stuffs
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| 18:05 | Bertl | not saying that it can't be done, but probably not that trivial
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| 18:05 | surami | as the first AXIOM Beta will on the tables...
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| 18:05 | surami | people will think on this kind of things...
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| 18:06 | Bertl | I hope so!
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| 18:06 | surami | but paralelly things could be done
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| 18:07 | surami | just i don't have the knowledge to do it
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| 18:07 | surami | i just share what's in my mind
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| 18:07 | Bertl | find somebody who does and motivate him/her to join/help then!
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| 18:07 | surami | i don't want to bring laptop or i don't know what with me when i will record
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| 18:08 | Bertl | wb niemand!
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| 18:08 | surami | and i don't have so much money to buy tausend dollar stuffs again
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| 18:09 | Bertl | well, luckily we reached the 150k stretch goal, so we will find a reasonably priced solution for PC recording at least
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| 18:09 | surami | i will be happy as i can collect the money till june for the Beta
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| 18:10 | surami | yes PC recording could mean the mini PC thing if is works
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| 18:10 | Rebelj12a | Well whats the budget restraints for onboard recording?
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| 18:11 | Bertl | wb slikdigit! how's going?
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| 18:13 | slikdigit | good :) thanks, and you ?
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| 18:14 | Rebelj12a | if thats what you are talking about
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| 18:40 | Rebelj12a | Bertl, thoughts on gigabit ethernet throughput. For instance, splitting processing cost between two of those hummingbird boards in parallel
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| 18:44 | Bertl | gigabit is not very much for 4k raw
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| 18:45 | Rebelj12a | No no, to split between two hummingbird boards. Hdmi in to one, split the processing over gigabit ethernet between two boards to record to msata
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| 18:45 | Bertl | over the Alpha Gigabit Ethernet (granted, it only does about 600Mbit/s) transferring a snapshot takes about 10 seconds
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| 18:46 | Rebelj12a | processing power. Similar to cluster core computing in linux.
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| 18:46 | Bertl | I would go for a parallella there if you want to do cluster computing (or more precisely, several of them :)
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| 18:47 | Rebelj12a | hm but would it be enough just to cache and save to ssd fast enough
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| 18:47 | Bertl | where?
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| 18:49 | Rebelj12a | input hdmi data from beta - to hummingbird 2x parallella (not sure what that is but ok - to ssd?
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| 18:56 | Rebelj12a | Hey Bertl surami and I were throwing around boards, well not literally. he found this...
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| 18:56 | surami | Bertle we found with Rebelj12a: http://hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G140448267127
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| 18:56 | Rebelj12a | hah
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| 18:56 | surami | lol
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| 18:57 | Rebelj12a | its got a few more things than positively needed but its android. Full featured, 2 processor, gpu and 2 hdmi
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| 19:07 | Rebelj12a | Nevermind, but it is very close.
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| 19:07 | Rebelj12a | no sata or msata out unless an io module can be made for it they dont have one.
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| 19:25 | Bertl | wb se6astian!
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| 19:28 | surami | hey seb!
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| 19:33 | surami | cheers all, have a nice day!
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| 19:33 | Bertl | cya!
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| 19:40 | Rebelj12a | evenin
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| 21:08 | lab-bot | skinkie created T36: The Xilinx bootstrap should be screencaptured. http://lab.apertus.org/T36
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| 21:08 | Rebelj12a | Thank you lab-bot
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| 22:11 | noir_ | mh i love being stupid
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| 22:12 | noir_ | just bought a 4k TV to view axiom beta stuff on it later
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| 22:12 | noir_ | makes no sense, but i still like the idea
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| 22:12 | noir_ | oopsie, nick.jpeg
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| 22:12 | seku | better.
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| 22:32 | Rebelj12a | about to use a manual impact driver on stuck lens screws.
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| 22:32 | Rebelj12a | This will either go very well or very badly
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| 22:38 | Rebelj12a | not gonna lie about 40% to badly in my opinion....
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| 22:55 | Rebelj12a | AHA! one screw out 2 more to go!
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| 22:59 | Rebelj12a | Mwahahaha
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| 23:01 | Rebelj12a | you know what 2 out of 3 is good ill take it
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| 23:05 | Rebelj12a | oh Yeah 3 out of 3 screws out. manual impact driver is my new favorite tool
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| 23:06 | Bertl | :)
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| 23:10 | Rebelj12a | Oh people are here well dont mind me I chat to myself all the time
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| 23:10 | Rebelj12a | its probably not healthy
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| 23:17 | Q_ | I'm just wondering why you're chatting while doing that.
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| 23:18 | Rebelj12a | When in the face of mortal peril, i find it better to talk.
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| 23:19 | Rebelj12a | Phew ok well at least this lens isnt all spring loaded bs, seriously, sometimes you never know when taking it apart if something is giong to jump out and attack you
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| 23:22 | Rebelj12a | like a rabid weasel
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| 23:36 | Rebelj12a | crazy its like this lens was made to be declicked and forced open o.o
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