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2014/10/17

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theuberkevlar
Rebelj12a, I got the Portal joke.
00:26
theuberkevlar
That would be pretty great! GladOS working for apertus. :)
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Rebelj12a
haha yes
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Rebelj12a
although HAL-9000 ought to be recognized by most... *looks around shiftily for interlopers*
00:52
Bertl
but it wouldn't be such a triumph :)
01:18
Rebelj12a
True true enough.
01:19
Rebelj12a
makes mental note to make a cardboard version of the Beta with a potato in it and say it runs PotatOS, bonus for working screen.
01:20
Rebelj12a
Bonus for working sensor. I have an old binoculars camera sensor haha like 640x320 resolution pictures I had saved for some project or some other.
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intracube
hello
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Rebelj12a
ello
01:49
theuberkevlar
PotatOS, ha!
01:51
Rebelj12a
Yep PotatOS with LemonBox Power XD Anyways
01:53
Bertl
Space? Space! Spaaaaaaaaaace!
01:58
theuberkevlar
the final frontier
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theuberkevlar
whoops, wrong quote
01:59
theuberkevlar
On a serious note is there any general tasks that someone with little to no programming experience can help with?
02:00
Bertl
there are a huge number of tasks which do not involve any programming at all
02:00
theuberkevlar
Feedback, contacting people, drawing anime concept art of characters using the BETA while riding on yoshi like creatures.
02:00
theuberkevlar
etc?
02:01
Bertl
for example, but more development related would be
02:01
Bertl
- double and triple checking part dimensions
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Bertl
- designing library components
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Bertl
- documentation and proof reading
02:02
Bertl
and those are just a few which come to my mind right now, because I'm working on the sensor board :)
02:03
Bertl
here are a bunch more:
02:03
Bertl
- finding components and checking prices
02:03
Rebelj12a
Converting all the IAM files to CAD dwg files... *whistle whistle*
02:03
theuberkevlar
Cool! I would be especially helpful with the doc/proof reading.
02:03
Bertl
Rebelj12a: yes, that too for example
02:04
Bertl
making sure that everything is open and well documented
02:05
Rebelj12a
Ive been working on the wiki for that. Just struggling with my most recent project then its open season.
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Bertl
theuberkevlar: for example, we have a lot of information which is thrown at us right now ... we won't always succeed in collecting it and putting it somewhere we can look it up when we need to
02:07
Rebelj12a
Ive started a github thing. Although I cant seem to push I dont know might be doing it wrong. Additional folders for info and storage of documents and items.
02:08
Bertl
theuberkevlar: going through the IRC logs and checking if we have that information somewhere and/or referencing it would be a good idea too
02:08
Bertl
Rebelj12a: did se6astian add you to the repository?
02:08
Bertl
if not (yet), just collect it in your repository for now and push it later (after asking him to add you)
02:09
Rebelj12a
I think he did
02:09
Rebelj12a
Like i said i might just be doing it wrong.
02:09
Bertl
there is a git cheat sheet, if you're new to git
02:10
Rebelj12a
yeah
02:10
Bertl
theuberkevlar: this might also be something which could benefit from some quick intro/good documentation
02:10
Bertl
with a few links and some examples how to get started, what can be found where, etc
02:18
Rebelj12a
Ah I cant I see
02:20
theuberkevlar
Cool. So when you say go through the IRC logs to check for stuff, what kind of stuff exactly? Just links that people share or suggestions that people give or dicussions that people have about developing the BETA?
02:21
Bertl
everything, yes
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Bertl
if somebody suggests something and it turns out to be a bad idea or impractical
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Bertl
it doesn't mean that the information is not useful
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Bertl
it should be documented that it was considered and why it was rejected (in this example case)
02:22
Rebelj12a
Yes highlight and screenshot. while I figure out how to get the idea cloud uploaded
03:28
Bertl
off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
03:28
Rebelj12a
night
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Bertl
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lab-bot
philippej created T26: Create an publicize an #novice or similar hashtag for people who want to start contributing and tag the tasks accordingly. http://lab.apertus.org/T26
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philippej
lab-bot will just notify us of new tasks and closed tasks, is it a good balance between channel spam and usefull information?
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se6astian|away
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se6astian
good morning
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lab-bot
sebastian deleted the document Wiki http://lab.apertus.org/w/
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lab-bot
sebastian closed T24: Set up the openfilmmaking.org page to just redirect to apertus.org as "Resolved". http://lab.apertus.org/T24
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lab-bot
sebastian created T28: How long does a standard 1/4-20 UNC mount hole in AXIOM Beta need to be?. http://lab.apertus.org/T28
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lab-bot
sebastian created T29: elphel prototype rig images. http://lab.apertus.org/T29
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lab-bot
sebastian created T30: apertus.org: email notification for comment publish. http://lab.apertus.org/T30
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lab-bot
sebastian created T31: Incorporate AXIOM Beta crowd funding content (images/illustration, descriptions, features table) into https://apertus.org/axiom-beta. http://lab.apertus.org/T31
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Bertl_zZ
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Bertl
morning folks!
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se6astian
good morning
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Rebelj12a
Good early early morning
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Rebelj12a
For me anyways
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Rebelj12a
Time to wrestle the gator that is fcpx resolve roundtrip but first, any electrical engineers in the house?
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Bertl
for what purpose?
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Rebelj12a
A question haha. Simple electronics, running 120v power appliances off battery.
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Bertl
doesn't work :)
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Rebelj12a
At all? Not even with a charge up capacitor ballast?
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Bertl
120v = AC, battery = DC
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Bertl
you need an inverter to generate the alternating current
12:51
Rebelj12a
Ahh blast...
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Rebelj12a
Well there goes that idea.
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Rebelj12a
No no what if the battery is hooked up to an inverter and then a ballast stores the power for device use untilnhigh enough charge and releases through resister the amount of current needed?
12:54
Bertl
what appliances do you have in mind?
12:56
Rebelj12a
Personal project and for testing motors without the need to buy them. Project is making a portable smoke machine from an old humidifier. Gives me more experience working with heating elements.
12:56
Rebelj12a
And liquids
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Rebelj12a
Anyways, that one goes on back burner I suppose.
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lab-bot
sebastian created T32: update https://wiki.apertus.org/index.php?title=AXIOM_Beta#Dual_Micro_SD_Module. http://lab.apertus.org/T32
13:09
Rebelj12a
Getting really tired of apples proprietary crap. Can't upgrade my laptop to more EAM because they soldered them in. :/
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Rebelj12a
RAM*
13:11
Bertl
yeah, well, that's not proprietary per se, that is saving space and reducing weight
13:11
Rebelj12a
Maybe... Maaaybe...
13:12
Rebelj12a
Lol, you are probably right but the consumer in me is thinking they just want you to spend more initially by not allowingnyou to upgrade later.
13:18
Rebelj12a
In any case. A bit of news. For those inclined I created a FireChat room for Apertus. Well nothing special... I'm just there and lurking lol. Here's hoping their API comes out and a better app can be made. It has the potential to be a localized sort of IRC.
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Rebelj12a
Oh jeeze just saw on the wiki. You guys want an industrial 3d printer wow. Those specs and features.
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se6astian
bb in the evening
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se6astian
that are not industrial 3d printers
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se6astian
anway
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se6astian
gotta go
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se6astian
https://wiki.apertus.org/index.php?title=3D_Printer_Evaluation
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se6astian
bye
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se6astian
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13:39
Rebelj12a
Bye
13:39
Rebelj12a
Well industrial in terms of totally different than extruder 3d printers I'm used to.
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Rebelj12a
Hm where would we put info and insights.
13:42
Bertl
best on the wiki in a neutral form
13:43
Rebelj12a
Neutral ok
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Rebelj12a
Well I was up far too early today. In any case I'll talk to you all later heading to the office.
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intracube
small bug when registering at lab.apertus.org: after submitting username, email, password the page redirects to this image: http://lab.apertus.org/file/data/nq5pcrecelctlkyheun5/PHID-FILE-gyk3627n7h7evskn2c6n/project.png
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intracube
but a confirmation email still appeared and account has been registered ok
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intracube
so a bug on the bug tracker :P
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intracube
FF 31.1.0 linux
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Bertl
yeah, please file a bug with the bug tracker :)
14:23
intracube
Bertl: seriously?
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Bertl
philippe will look into it
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intracube
ok then
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lab-bot
intracube created T33: Phabricator registration redirects to an image. http://lab.apertus.org/T33
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Bertl
off for a nap ... bbl
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Bertl
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Rebelj12a
Aha im githubbing.... er gitting, er git er done?
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Rebelj12a
lol
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Bertl
back now ...
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surami
morning!
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Bertl
morning surami!
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mars_
hey surami
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surami
i have something in my mind again
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Bertl
quick, get it out!
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Bertl
:)
17:47
surami
is it possible to reprogram a HDMI connector from IN to OUT?
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Rebelj12a
Grab the drill!
17:47
surami
or sorry
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Bertl
HDMI connectors are ambivalent to the direction
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surami
i want to OUT to IN
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Rebelj12a
If it has the hardware capability in it. For instance the atrix 2 does not its impossible. Even though it has hdmi out.
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Rebelj12a
Its a hardware thing apparantly
17:48
surami
as we know
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surami
the 4K RAW will go out
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surami
on HDMI
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surami
thats ok
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surami
if the HDMI port of this
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surami
http://www.solid-run.com/wiki/HummingBoard_Hardware
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surami
could be reprogrammed somehow to OUT
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surami
sorry IN!
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surami
then with there is a mini pcie connection on it for eg. SSD
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surami
to save the data
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surami
or msata
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Rebelj12a
Hummingboard itself would capture as like a separate entity?
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surami
and USB to ->
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Rebelj12a
to the ssd?
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Bertl
do you have the schematic somewhere?
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Bertl
the images are not good enough to tell what the components are
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surami
now i don't
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surami
have that
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surami
http://download.solid-run.com/pub/solidrun/HummingBoard/rev-3.0/HummingBoard-rev-3_0-schematics.pdf
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Bertl
hmm, according to that schematic, the HDMI connector is not really connected anywhere?
17:54
surami
this is in my mind AXIOM Beta HDMI out -> HummingBoarad HDMI (reprogrammed port) -> HB mPCIe SDD
17:54
Bertl
i.e. it goes to a another connector
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Bertl
J7
17:55
surami
i don't understand shematics...
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surami
so
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surami
..
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surami
i just understad HDMI, SSD etc. stuffs :D
17:56
Bertl
ah, I see, the core module is just plugged on
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Bertl
so we need some documentation for the MircoSOM i.MX6 as well
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Bertl
basically so far nothing speaks against OUT and IN functionality
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surami
http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/taxonomy.jsp?code=IMX6X_SERIES&cof=0&am=0
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Bertl
I don't see any mentioning of HDMI input on the i.MX6, so I would presume that port is just an output from the graphics engine
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Bertl
but you might want to ask freescale about that, from the hummingboard schematic nothing speaks against it
18:02
surami
we have to bypass the graphic engine
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surami
and let the information flow from HDMI to mPCIe
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surami
:D
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Bertl
(the ZYBO development board for example has a dual role HDMI port)
18:04
Bertl
sounds spectacular! :) but to make it work, you would have to create a filesystem and files on the fly, interpret this for sensding PCIe commands to the SSD and timing/buffering the data accordingly
18:04
surami
well i can't programm and do this kind of stuffs
18:05
Bertl
not saying that it can't be done, but probably not that trivial
18:05
surami
as the first AXIOM Beta will on the tables...
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surami
people will think on this kind of things...
18:06
Bertl
I hope so!
18:06
surami
but paralelly things could be done
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surami
just i don't have the knowledge to do it
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surami
i just share what's in my mind
18:07
Bertl
find somebody who does and motivate him/her to join/help then!
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surami
i don't want to bring laptop or i don't know what with me when i will record
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Bertl
wb niemand!
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surami
and i don't have so much money to buy tausend dollar stuffs again
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Bertl
well, luckily we reached the 150k stretch goal, so we will find a reasonably priced solution for PC recording at least
18:09
surami
i will be happy as i can collect the money till june for the Beta
18:10
surami
yes PC recording could mean the mini PC thing if is works
18:10
Rebelj12a
Well whats the budget restraints for onboard recording?
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Bertl
wb slikdigit! how's going?
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slikdigit
good :) thanks, and you ?
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Rebelj12a
if thats what you are talking about
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Rebelj12a
Bertl, thoughts on gigabit ethernet throughput. For instance, splitting processing cost between two of those hummingbird boards in parallel
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Bertl
gigabit is not very much for 4k raw
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Rebelj12a
No no, to split between two hummingbird boards. Hdmi in to one, split the processing over gigabit ethernet between two boards to record to msata
18:45
Bertl
over the Alpha Gigabit Ethernet (granted, it only does about 600Mbit/s) transferring a snapshot takes about 10 seconds
18:46
Rebelj12a
processing power. Similar to cluster core computing in linux.
18:46
Bertl
I would go for a parallella there if you want to do cluster computing (or more precisely, several of them :)
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Rebelj12a
hm but would it be enough just to cache and save to ssd fast enough
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Bertl
where?
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Rebelj12a
input hdmi data from beta - to hummingbird 2x parallella (not sure what that is but ok - to ssd?
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Rebelj12a
Hey Bertl surami and I were throwing around boards, well not literally. he found this...
18:56
surami
Bertle we found with Rebelj12a: http://hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G140448267127
18:56
Rebelj12a
hah
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surami
lol
18:57
Rebelj12a
its got a few more things than positively needed but its android. Full featured, 2 processor, gpu and 2 hdmi
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Rebelj12a
Nevermind, but it is very close.
19:07
Rebelj12a
no sata or msata out unless an io module can be made for it they dont have one.
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se6astian|away
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Bertl
wb se6astian!
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surami
hey seb!
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surami
cheers all, have a nice day!
19:33
Bertl
cya!
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se6astian
good evening
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Rebelj12a
evenin
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se6astian
time for bed
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se6astian
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lab-bot
skinkie created T35: Apertus Boot Diagram. http://lab.apertus.org/T35
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lab-bot
skinkie created T36: The Xilinx bootstrap should be screencaptured. http://lab.apertus.org/T36
21:08
Rebelj12a
Thank you lab-bot
21:08
lab-bot
skinkie created T37: Get the image working for the 7020 MicroZed.. http://lab.apertus.org/T37
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noir_
mh i love being stupid
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noir_
just bought a 4k TV to view axiom beta stuff on it later
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noir_
makes no sense, but i still like the idea
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noir_
oopsie, nick.jpeg
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noir_
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seku
better.
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Rebelj12a
about to use a manual impact driver on stuck lens screws.
22:32
Rebelj12a
This will either go very well or very badly
22:38
Rebelj12a
not gonna lie about 40% to badly in my opinion....
22:55
Rebelj12a
AHA! one screw out 2 more to go!
22:59
Rebelj12a
Mwahahaha
23:01
Rebelj12a
you know what 2 out of 3 is good ill take it
23:05
Rebelj12a
oh Yeah 3 out of 3 screws out. manual impact driver is my new favorite tool
23:06
Bertl
:)
23:10
Rebelj12a
Oh people are here well dont mind me I chat to myself all the time
23:10
Rebelj12a
its probably not healthy
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Q_
I'm just wondering why you're chatting while doing that.
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Rebelj12a
When in the face of mortal peril, i find it better to talk.
23:19
Rebelj12a
Phew ok well at least this lens isnt all spring loaded bs, seriously, sometimes you never know when taking it apart if something is giong to jump out and attack you
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Rebelj12a
like a rabid weasel
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Rebelj12a
crazy its like this lens was made to be declicked and forced open o.o
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