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2014/10/16

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pizthewiz
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intracube
the Metabones inverse-teleconverters look really interesting
00:19
intracube
heard about them on here for the first time today and also by chance on a youtube photography video
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intracube
the universe works in mysterious ways :)
00:20
intracube
and they seem to support fast FF lenses too! woot
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__anton__
he he, perhaps everybody except from me knew it already, but I've just discovered
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__anton__
this part of the CMV12000 datasheet is a actually a very important one
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__anton__
http://octoray.co.uk/axiom/misc/target-surface.png
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__anton__
it does show us that this is in fact the right way to maintain flunge distance with cmv12000 and there here there are exactly 4 points of contact
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__anton__
https://www.apertus.org/sites/default/files/styles/teaser/public/field/image/alpha_prototype.jpg?itok=28KvV2eS
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__anton__
also Daniel suggested at some point that prosumer cameras here have got washers here to ensure that sensor is parallel to mount focal plane
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Bertl
off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
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Bertl
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Rebelj12a
Hmm
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Rebelj12a
Any mechanical engineers? Metal tolerance and all that?
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Rebelj12a
Nobody is here.. I'll leave a message after the beep.
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wescotte
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Rebelj12a
http://www.thephoblographer.com/2014/10/15/camera-manufacturers-speak-future-lenses/
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botlab
sebastian created T12: test this feature. http://lab.apertus.org/T12
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botlab
sebastian moved T12: test this feature to Unknown Object (Project Column) on the Restricted Project workboard. http://lab.apertus.org/T12
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botlab
sebastian created M1: Review this.
07:56
botlab
philippej updated subscribers of T12: test this feature. http://lab.apertus.org/T12
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Rebelj12a
Thank you for the update botlab mind if I call you HAL?
08:03
philippej
Botlab will be renamed soon :-)
08:05
botlab
philippej added a comment to T6: Research best practice for live video broadcasting community meetings. http://lab.apertus.org/T6
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botlab
sebastian added a comment to T6: Research best practice for live video broadcasting community meetings. http://lab.apertus.org/T6
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philippej
people here don't worry, we'll quickly tune the bot to not bother us that mush
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botlab
philippej added a comment to T6: Research best practice for live video broadcasting community meetings. http://lab.apertus.org/T6
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botlab
sebastian added a comment to T6: Research best practice for live video broadcasting community meetings. http://lab.apertus.org/T6
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se6astian|away
changed nick to: se6astian
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philippej
I'm considering removing the bot notifications for now, and only keep the system that post the url to a task when it is mentioned, sounds good ?
08:22
se6astian
fine for me :)
08:23
se6astian
HAL might indeed be a good name though :D
08:23
philippej
it must be available
08:23
philippej
let me try in a separate session
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philippej
nope
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philippej
already taken
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lab-bot-1
philippej updated subscribers of T2: Setup auto start of phabricator bot. http://lab.apertus.org/T2
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philippej
notifications disabled for now, the bot will be much mre quiet
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se6astian
great
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se6astian
unless I say T9!
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lab-bot
T9: add AXIOM logo files as EPS/PNG download to logo page - http://lab.apertus.org/T9
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se6astian
haha
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philippej
of course
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philippej
but this sounds good enough imho
08:46
se6astian
agreed
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philippej
btw where are those logo files? I can take care of it if you send them to me
08:48
se6astian
in the threa
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se6astian
thread
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philippej
damn me, I didn't even read
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se6astian
bot, whip philippe for not reading the thread! :P
08:50
philippej
:-)
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philippej
have you noticed that if you start a comment somewhere, it is kept even if you switch computer or reopen a session, very clever.
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se6astian
nice, I didnt notice yet!
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Phil
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Guest96405
hi @all..
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mars_
hi Guest96405
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Guest96405
should change name.. just got a day off and no beta to play with.. damn, since thr great campaign allmost all my patience is gone.. ;)
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Guest96405
hi mars..
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Guest96405
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PhilC
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Bertl_zZ
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Bertl
morning folks!
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PhilCee
morning bertl.
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danieel
alexML: the aptina and the A7s are rolling shutter only... there is no doubt that anything with RS will have good low light... especially when the readout is 25fps
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alexML
of course
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alexML
but I bet many users will want low light capability instead of global shutter
12:17
Bertl
the campaign results would indicate otherwise (KAC vs CMV)
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alexML
CMV has 300fps and is larger, so I guess that's why everybody wanted it
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se6astian
gotta go
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se6astian
bbl
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se6astian
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Rebelj12a
Wakey wakey eggs and bacey... Er bakey? Didn't think that one through.. Morning!
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Bertl
morning Rebelj12a!
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Rebelj12a
Nothing like the smell of solder flux in the morning...
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surami
evening guys!
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Bertl
evening surami!
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surami
i just spining again on the 4K RAW thing :)
17:22
Rebelj12a
Spinning?
17:23
surami
yep
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Rebelj12a
I imagine being frustrated and spinning in my office chair pretending not to care.
17:23
surami
few days ago I asked about the possibilies
17:23
Rebelj12a
Wheee
17:24
surami
that how to get continous 4K RAW, maybe MLV file on something
17:24
Rebelj12a
I thought it might be posaible?
17:24
Rebelj12a
Bertl I sent you a sort of email on that.
17:24
surami
some body wrote to me
17:25
surami
that there is PCIe on picoboard
17:25
surami
but is it closed?
17:26
surami
and somebody should write a core for it or how is this?
17:26
surami
technically i don't know what is possible
17:26
Rebelj12a
Pcie would be a good bet. That stuff is beyond me.
17:27
surami
http://opencores.org/project,pcie_mini
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surami
somebody could take a look on this, maybe this guy could jump into the project?
17:28
surami
to write the core?
17:28
surami
for 7 series?
17:29
Bertl
the PicoZed comes in 7015 and 7013 varian
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Bertl
+t
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Bertl
both provide up to 4 Multi Gigabit connections
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Bertl
the available IP cores for PCIe are proprietary
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Bertl
there is further the question how to connect it to a PCIe host/slave
17:33
surami
so the GTX or GTP should be connected to a PCIe host?
17:33
Bertl
normally it is designed to be used for a PCIe card, yes
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Bertl
i.e. the FPGA is _on_ that PCIe card which gets plugged _into_ a PC
17:34
surami
so the PC is the host
17:34
surami
i mean the "driver"
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surami
could you write the information flow?
17:35
surami
i mean so: light -> sensor -> etc..
17:36
Bertl
light -> sensor -> FPGA -> PC ?
17:37
surami
ok :) so simple it is :D
17:37
surami
http://www.hitechglobal.com/Accessories/PCIExpress_Test_Board.htm
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Bertl
this is a board to test PCIe cards
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Bertl
it provides a clock and power and a huge number of SMA connectors to connect the lanes
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surami
so we have to solve the GTX -> PCIe host/slave somehow?
17:41
surami
i don't understand
17:41
Bertl
this is one problem, yes, but another problem is the physical connection
17:41
Bertl
you probably don't want to 'plug in' your Beta into a slot on your PC, no?
17:41
surami
yes i don't want it
17:42
surami
i just thinking in direction m2 ssd
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surami
things
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surami
http://www.addonics.com/products/adm2px4.php
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Bertl
so PCIe is designed for short distances, like 10-15 inch
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Bertl
if the Zynq implements a root complex (i.e. the part a PC/CPU usually provides)
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surami
i think on something cardrige solution
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Bertl
then you can directly connect it to a PCIe based SSD
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surami
i think on that, if a m2 ssd cardridge (unique design, enclosure)
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surami
could be connected somehow to the Beta
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surami
then we need another thing oin the computer (something that i linked)
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surami
but with open back plate
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surami
and the m2 ssd cartridge could be connected to that adapter
17:46
Bertl
now you've lost me
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Bertl
can you draw a picture what you have in mind?
17:47
surami
:) yes
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surami
i can try
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surami
but the question is again the host thing...
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surami
how to write the data to the connected m2 ssd drive
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surami
what connection?
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surami
etc...
17:49
surami
ehhh
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surami
not simple
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surami
if we are that situation, that the information is on the m2 ssd
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surami
then with the adapter we can read in the data on the PC
17:52
surami
but the adapter should be a unique design
17:53
surami
too
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Bertl
well, the SDD won't last very long I guess, the connectors are not really designed to be used that often
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Bertl
(if you are thinking to remove the PCIe based SSD after each shoot)
17:57
surami
yes i thought that
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surami
what connection could be a good solution?
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surami
direct cable?
17:59
Bertl
a cable might be a good solution to transfer the data, but it creates a new problem if you put the SSD into the camera
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Bertl
you need more tranceivers, those for the SSD and those for the cable connection
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surami
with one more board?
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surami
maybe?
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Bertl
you mean another PicoZed?
18:00
surami
yes
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surami
and run parellely
18:00
Bertl
unfortunately that doesn't really help
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Bertl
you would have to transfer the data between the PicoZeds
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Bertl
which again would either require more tranceivers or would consume I/O pins, which are already used for the sensor
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Bertl
so it's all a little tricky there :)
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surami
so till now only the HDMI out ports are the solution....
18:04
Bertl
it seems so
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se6astian
back
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Bertl
wb se6astian!
18:04
surami
hey!
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surami
and the GTX -> USB 3 connection somehow?
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Bertl
USB 3 is possible but a software nightmare
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Bertl
i.e. you would require a complete USB 3 stack in the FPGA
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surami
this guys maybe?
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surami
http://opencores.org/project,usb3
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Bertl
well, they started september 2011, haven't checked in any files and are in the planning phase
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Bertl
so if all goes well, around 2025 maybe?
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surami
:)
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surami
i can't believe we can only get 4K RAW only through HDMI
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surami
...
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surami
-only
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surami
if the physical connenction could be solved somehow, maybe this guys have to be asked: http://opencores.com/project,pcie_sg_dma
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surami
i go now
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surami
cheers all
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Bertl
just for reference, the linked PCIe scatter gather controller uses the proprietary xilinx softcores
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seku
evenings :)
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seku
well, i can understand the pinning for pcie or USB3 ... but i feel HDMI can be damn fine, and more than enough for the beta.
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seku
transmitters are cheap, bandwidth is large...
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seku
i suppose :)
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seku
on the PC recording side i would guess it to be something like HDMI in, then buffered in RAM, and written directly to SSD(s), maybe wrapped in MLV?
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dmjnova
Bertl: it seems there are open pcie implementations for fpga
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dmjnova
though I've not tested any
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Bertl
yes, we will have to investigate those
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Bertl
please collect the links somewhere, preferably on the wiki
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Rebelj12a
Did Hal-9000 get taken down? if not HAL-9000 as a name, GlaDOS would be welcome as well. XD
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se6astian
not sure how many people played portal here
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se6astian
and "HAL" was unfortunately already taken as nick :)
19:39
Rebelj12a
blast well HAL-9000 is one people should know.
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Rebelj12a
Well its official is HAL-9000 heh
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Bertl
welcome LiohAu!
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LiohAu
thanks :)
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Rebelj12a
Anybody have the timeline for Beta Release?
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Bertl
what would you like to know?
20:25
Rebelj12a
Bertl the general development timeline, when this are expected or need to be finished etc leading up to beta shipping.
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Bertl
'when this are expected or needed?'
20:26
Bertl
we plan to have the first batch ready on April
20:26
Rebelj12a
Ok
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Rebelj12a
Like the individual parts indepth of development.
20:27
Rebelj12a
Obviously working on sensor right now, others are working on HDMI recording etc.
20:27
Rebelj12a
Deadlines for those parts in order to be ready for batches.
20:27
Rebelj12a
parts - as in, software and hardware, pieces of the beta
20:27
Bertl
we will create some kind of timeline soon, at the moment we are busy processing the input from the campaign
20:27
Rebelj12a
Ah ok
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Rebelj12a
Just wondering, and gathering data for the wiki.
20:27
Bertl
software will not have priority for us
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Rebelj12a
Oh it wont?
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Bertl
many folks will be able to help there (e.g. ML folks) once the hardware is available
20:28
Rebelj12a
Ah ok
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Bertl
so for obvious reasons the hardware has top priority
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Rebelj12a
Makes sense, didnt know. I meant more, sensor works with the OS type software. you know. Everything is read correctly.
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Bertl
we already got the CMV12k running on the alpha, so I do not expect sudden problems there
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Rebelj12a
Ok
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Bertl
we plan to do early Betas
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Bertl
i.e. preliminary hardware which doesn't have all features or isn't final
20:31
Rebelj12a
Ah
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Bertl
and we will offer them to interested folks who are willing to contribute software wise
20:32
Rebelj12a
Oh really?
20:33
Rebelj12a
Thats interesting
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Rebelj12a
I need a better editing machine than a Laptop D:
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se6astian
time for bed
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