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| 00:18 | intracube | the Metabones inverse-teleconverters look really interesting
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| 00:19 | intracube | heard about them on here for the first time today and also by chance on a youtube photography video
| | 00:19 | intracube | the universe works in mysterious ways :)
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| 00:20 | intracube | and they seem to support fast FF lenses too! woot
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| 01:44 | __anton__ | he he, perhaps everybody except from me knew it already, but I've just discovered
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| 01:44 | __anton__ | this part of the CMV12000 datasheet is a actually a very important one
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| 01:44 | __anton__ | http://octoray.co.uk/axiom/misc/target-surface.png
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| 01:44 | __anton__ | it does show us that this is in fact the right way to maintain flunge distance with cmv12000 and there here there are exactly 4 points of contact
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| 01:44 | __anton__ | https://www.apertus.org/sites/default/files/styles/teaser/public/field/image/alpha_prototype.jpg?itok=28KvV2eS
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| 01:45 | __anton__ | also Daniel suggested at some point that prosumer cameras here have got washers here to ensure that sensor is parallel to mount focal plane
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| 03:19 | Bertl | off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
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| 05:07 | Rebelj12a | Hmm
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| 05:08 | Rebelj12a | Any mechanical engineers? Metal tolerance and all that?
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| 05:21 | Rebelj12a | Nobody is here.. I'll leave a message after the beep.
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| 06:45 | Rebelj12a | http://www.thephoblographer.com/2014/10/15/camera-manufacturers-speak-future-lenses/
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| 07:51 | botlab | sebastian created T12: test this feature. http://lab.apertus.org/T12
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| 07:52 | botlab | sebastian moved T12: test this feature to Unknown Object (Project Column) on the Restricted Project workboard. http://lab.apertus.org/T12
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| 07:55 | botlab | sebastian created M1: Review this.
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| 07:56 | botlab | philippej updated subscribers of T12: test this feature. http://lab.apertus.org/T12
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| 07:59 | Rebelj12a | Thank you for the update botlab mind if I call you HAL?
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| 08:03 | philippej | Botlab will be renamed soon :-)
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| 08:05 | botlab | philippej added a comment to T6: Research best practice for live video broadcasting community meetings. http://lab.apertus.org/T6
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| 08:09 | botlab | sebastian added a comment to T6: Research best practice for live video broadcasting community meetings. http://lab.apertus.org/T6
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| 08:14 | philippej | people here don't worry, we'll quickly tune the bot to not bother us that mush
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| 08:16 | botlab | philippej added a comment to T6: Research best practice for live video broadcasting community meetings. http://lab.apertus.org/T6
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| 08:19 | botlab | sebastian added a comment to T6: Research best practice for live video broadcasting community meetings. http://lab.apertus.org/T6
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| 08:21 | philippej | I'm considering removing the bot notifications for now, and only keep the system that post the url to a task when it is mentioned, sounds good ?
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| 08:22 | se6astian | fine for me :)
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| 08:23 | se6astian | HAL might indeed be a good name though :D
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| 08:23 | philippej | it must be available
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| 08:23 | philippej | let me try in a separate session
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| 08:24 | philippej | nope
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| 08:24 | philippej | already taken
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| 08:34 | lab-bot-1 | philippej updated subscribers of T2: Setup auto start of phabricator bot. http://lab.apertus.org/T2
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| 08:45 | philippej | notifications disabled for now, the bot will be much mre quiet
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| 08:46 | se6astian | great
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| 08:46 | se6astian | unless I say T9!
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| 08:46 | lab-bot | T9: add AXIOM logo files as EPS/PNG download to logo page - http://lab.apertus.org/T9
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| 08:46 | se6astian | haha
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| 08:46 | philippej | of course
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| 08:46 | philippej | but this sounds good enough imho
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| 08:46 | se6astian | agreed
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| 08:47 | philippej | btw where are those logo files? I can take care of it if you send them to me
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| 08:48 | se6astian | in the threa
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| 08:48 | se6astian | thread
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| 08:48 | philippej | damn me, I didn't even read
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| 08:50 | se6astian | bot, whip philippe for not reading the thread! :P
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| 08:50 | philippej | :-)
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| 08:54 | philippej | have you noticed that if you start a comment somewhere, it is kept even if you switch computer or reopen a session, very clever.
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| 08:56 | se6astian | nice, I didnt notice yet!
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| 10:04 | Guest96405 | hi @all..
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| 10:18 | mars_ | hi Guest96405
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| 10:23 | Guest96405 | should change name.. just got a day off and no beta to play with.. damn, since thr great campaign allmost all my patience is gone.. ;)
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| 10:23 | Guest96405 | hi mars..
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| 10:50 | Bertl | morning folks!
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| 11:07 | PhilCee | morning bertl.
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| 12:13 | danieel | alexML: the aptina and the A7s are rolling shutter only... there is no doubt that anything with RS will have good low light... especially when the readout is 25fps
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| 12:16 | alexML | of course
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| 12:17 | alexML | but I bet many users will want low light capability instead of global shutter
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| 12:17 | Bertl | the campaign results would indicate otherwise (KAC vs CMV)
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| 12:27 | alexML | CMV has 300fps and is larger, so I guess that's why everybody wanted it
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| 14:00 | se6astian | bbl
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| 17:10 | Rebelj12a | Wakey wakey eggs and bacey... Er bakey? Didn't think that one through.. Morning!
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| 17:10 | Bertl | morning Rebelj12a!
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| 17:12 | Rebelj12a | Nothing like the smell of solder flux in the morning...
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| 17:20 | surami | evening guys!
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| 17:20 | Bertl | evening surami!
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| 17:22 | surami | i just spining again on the 4K RAW thing :)
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| 17:22 | Rebelj12a | Spinning?
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| 17:23 | surami | yep
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| 17:23 | Rebelj12a | I imagine being frustrated and spinning in my office chair pretending not to care.
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| 17:23 | surami | few days ago I asked about the possibilies
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| 17:23 | Rebelj12a | Wheee
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| 17:24 | surami | that how to get continous 4K RAW, maybe MLV file on something
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| 17:24 | Rebelj12a | I thought it might be posaible?
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| 17:24 | Rebelj12a | Bertl I sent you a sort of email on that.
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| 17:24 | surami | some body wrote to me
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| 17:25 | surami | that there is PCIe on picoboard
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| 17:25 | surami | but is it closed?
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| 17:26 | surami | and somebody should write a core for it or how is this?
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| 17:26 | surami | technically i don't know what is possible
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| 17:26 | Rebelj12a | Pcie would be a good bet. That stuff is beyond me.
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| 17:27 | surami | http://opencores.org/project,pcie_mini
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| 17:28 | surami | somebody could take a look on this, maybe this guy could jump into the project?
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| 17:28 | surami | to write the core?
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| 17:28 | surami | for 7 series?
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| 17:29 | Bertl | the PicoZed comes in 7015 and 7013 varian
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| 17:29 | Bertl | +t
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| 17:29 | Bertl | both provide up to 4 Multi Gigabit connections
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| 17:29 | Bertl | the available IP cores for PCIe are proprietary
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| 17:31 | Bertl | there is further the question how to connect it to a PCIe host/slave
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| 17:33 | surami | so the GTX or GTP should be connected to a PCIe host?
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| 17:33 | Bertl | normally it is designed to be used for a PCIe card, yes
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| 17:34 | Bertl | i.e. the FPGA is _on_ that PCIe card which gets plugged _into_ a PC
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| 17:34 | surami | so the PC is the host
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| 17:34 | surami | i mean the "driver"
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| 17:35 | surami | could you write the information flow?
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| 17:35 | surami | i mean so: light -> sensor -> etc..
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| 17:36 | Bertl | light -> sensor -> FPGA -> PC ?
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| 17:37 | surami | ok :) so simple it is :D
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| 17:37 | surami | http://www.hitechglobal.com/Accessories/PCIExpress_Test_Board.htm
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| 17:38 | Bertl | this is a board to test PCIe cards
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| 17:39 | Bertl | it provides a clock and power and a huge number of SMA connectors to connect the lanes
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| 17:40 | surami | so we have to solve the GTX -> PCIe host/slave somehow?
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| 17:41 | surami | i don't understand
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| 17:41 | Bertl | this is one problem, yes, but another problem is the physical connection
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| 17:41 | Bertl | you probably don't want to 'plug in' your Beta into a slot on your PC, no?
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| 17:41 | surami | yes i don't want it
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| 17:42 | surami | i just thinking in direction m2 ssd
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| 17:42 | surami | things
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| 17:42 | surami | http://www.addonics.com/products/adm2px4.php
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| 17:42 | Bertl | so PCIe is designed for short distances, like 10-15 inch
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| 17:43 | Bertl | if the Zynq implements a root complex (i.e. the part a PC/CPU usually provides)
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| 17:43 | surami | i think on something cardrige solution
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| 17:43 | Bertl | then you can directly connect it to a PCIe based SSD
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| 17:45 | surami | i think on that, if a m2 ssd cardridge (unique design, enclosure)
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| 17:45 | surami | could be connected somehow to the Beta
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| 17:46 | surami | then we need another thing oin the computer (something that i linked)
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| 17:46 | surami | but with open back plate
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| 17:46 | surami | and the m2 ssd cartridge could be connected to that adapter
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| 17:46 | Bertl | now you've lost me
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| 17:47 | Bertl | can you draw a picture what you have in mind?
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| 17:47 | surami | :) yes
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| 17:47 | surami | i can try
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| 17:48 | surami | but the question is again the host thing...
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| 17:48 | surami | how to write the data to the connected m2 ssd drive
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| 17:49 | surami | what connection?
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| 17:49 | surami | etc...
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| 17:49 | surami | ehhh
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| 17:49 | surami | not simple
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| 17:51 | surami | if we are that situation, that the information is on the m2 ssd
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| 17:52 | surami | then with the adapter we can read in the data on the PC
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| 17:52 | surami | but the adapter should be a unique design
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| 17:53 | surami | too
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| 17:53 | Bertl | well, the SDD won't last very long I guess, the connectors are not really designed to be used that often
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| 17:53 | Bertl | (if you are thinking to remove the PCIe based SSD after each shoot)
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| 17:57 | surami | yes i thought that
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| 17:57 | surami | what connection could be a good solution?
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| 17:57 | surami | direct cable?
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| 17:59 | Bertl | a cable might be a good solution to transfer the data, but it creates a new problem if you put the SSD into the camera
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| 17:59 | Bertl | you need more tranceivers, those for the SSD and those for the cable connection
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| 18:00 | surami | with one more board?
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| 18:00 | surami | maybe?
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| 18:00 | Bertl | you mean another PicoZed?
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| 18:00 | surami | yes
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| 18:00 | surami | and run parellely
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| 18:00 | Bertl | unfortunately that doesn't really help
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| 18:01 | Bertl | you would have to transfer the data between the PicoZeds
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| 18:01 | Bertl | which again would either require more tranceivers or would consume I/O pins, which are already used for the sensor
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| 18:02 | Bertl | so it's all a little tricky there :)
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| 18:03 | surami | so till now only the HDMI out ports are the solution....
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| 18:04 | Bertl | it seems so
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| 18:04 | Bertl | wb se6astian!
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| 18:04 | surami | hey!
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| 18:11 | surami | and the GTX -> USB 3 connection somehow?
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| 18:12 | Bertl | USB 3 is possible but a software nightmare
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| 18:12 | Bertl | i.e. you would require a complete USB 3 stack in the FPGA
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| 18:17 | surami | this guys maybe?
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| 18:17 | surami | http://opencores.org/project,usb3
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| 18:18 | Bertl | well, they started september 2011, haven't checked in any files and are in the planning phase
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| 18:18 | Bertl | so if all goes well, around 2025 maybe?
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| 18:19 | surami | :)
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| 18:29 | surami | i can't believe we can only get 4K RAW only through HDMI
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| 18:29 | surami | ...
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| 18:30 | surami | -only
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| 18:37 | surami | if the physical connenction could be solved somehow, maybe this guys have to be asked: http://opencores.com/project,pcie_sg_dma
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| 18:37 | surami | i go now
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| 18:37 | surami | cheers all
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| 18:44 | Bertl | just for reference, the linked PCIe scatter gather controller uses the proprietary xilinx softcores
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| 18:59 | seku | evenings :)
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| 19:00 | seku | well, i can understand the pinning for pcie or USB3 ... but i feel HDMI can be damn fine, and more than enough for the beta.
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| 19:00 | seku | transmitters are cheap, bandwidth is large...
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| 19:01 | seku | i suppose :)
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| 19:02 | seku | on the PC recording side i would guess it to be something like HDMI in, then buffered in RAM, and written directly to SSD(s), maybe wrapped in MLV?
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| 19:03 | dmjnova | Bertl: it seems there are open pcie implementations for fpga
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| 19:04 | dmjnova | though I've not tested any
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| 19:04 | Bertl | yes, we will have to investigate those
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| 19:04 | Bertl | please collect the links somewhere, preferably on the wiki
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| 19:28 | Rebelj12a | Did Hal-9000 get taken down? if not HAL-9000 as a name, GlaDOS would be welcome as well. XD
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| 19:39 | se6astian | not sure how many people played portal here
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| 19:39 | se6astian | and "HAL" was unfortunately already taken as nick :)
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| 19:39 | Rebelj12a | blast well HAL-9000 is one people should know.
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| 19:40 | Rebelj12a | Well its official is HAL-9000 heh
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| 19:48 | Bertl | welcome LiohAu!
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| 19:48 | LiohAu | thanks :)
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| 20:09 | Rebelj12a | Anybody have the timeline for Beta Release?
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| 20:24 | Bertl | what would you like to know?
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| 20:25 | Rebelj12a | Bertl the general development timeline, when this are expected or need to be finished etc leading up to beta shipping.
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| 20:26 | Bertl | 'when this are expected or needed?'
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| 20:26 | Bertl | we plan to have the first batch ready on April
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| 20:26 | Rebelj12a | Ok
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| 20:26 | Rebelj12a | Like the individual parts indepth of development.
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| 20:27 | Rebelj12a | Obviously working on sensor right now, others are working on HDMI recording etc.
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| 20:27 | Rebelj12a | Deadlines for those parts in order to be ready for batches.
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| 20:27 | Rebelj12a | parts - as in, software and hardware, pieces of the beta
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| 20:27 | Bertl | we will create some kind of timeline soon, at the moment we are busy processing the input from the campaign
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| 20:27 | Rebelj12a | Ah ok
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| 20:27 | Rebelj12a | Just wondering, and gathering data for the wiki.
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| 20:27 | Bertl | software will not have priority for us
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| 20:27 | Rebelj12a | Oh it wont?
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| 20:28 | Bertl | many folks will be able to help there (e.g. ML folks) once the hardware is available
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| 20:28 | Rebelj12a | Ah ok
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| 20:28 | Bertl | so for obvious reasons the hardware has top priority
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| 20:29 | Rebelj12a | Makes sense, didnt know. I meant more, sensor works with the OS type software. you know. Everything is read correctly.
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| 20:29 | Bertl | we already got the CMV12k running on the alpha, so I do not expect sudden problems there
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| 20:29 | Rebelj12a | Ok
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| 20:31 | Bertl | we plan to do early Betas
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| 20:31 | Bertl | i.e. preliminary hardware which doesn't have all features or isn't final
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| 20:31 | Rebelj12a | Ah
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| 20:32 | Bertl | and we will offer them to interested folks who are willing to contribute software wise
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| 20:32 | Rebelj12a | Oh really?
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| 20:33 | Rebelj12a | Thats interesting
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