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and after that point, we just don't have any data

and to me that is exactly what is happening in your gif

Which is unlike some of the more sophisticated cameras which deliver a usable encode right off of the metal machine.

i.e. what some encoders do wrong in some proprietary cameras?

(as in we should never get that yellow bowl.)

(instead, the encoded values should be colorimetrically correct)

Nope.

Because you've properly saturated the other two wells before.

Nope.

Not really because you are then hard cutting.

Which is undesireable.

As the moment one is pinned, your other two are pinned.

(and leveraging the actual data to get there.)

i.e. let everything go 'white' at the upper range?

It isn't a hard cut.

Remember you'd be gracefully desaturating (correctly colorimetrically)

Spirit532: There's plenty in some of the work I've been doing on Filmic.

Bertl: The actual data is messed up the other way.

I have to disagree here, but I get now what you mean and I agree that it gives 'more aesthetic' results

and it should be easy to implement for a preview for example

still won't give you pretty pictures :)

Gotta go to bed. Gn.

Bertl: So you are much more prudent to ramp up to it, preserving the xy axis, than the precise xy.

It's not just pretty pictures.

As you can simply push the saturation back out as required.

That's the point.

So while you are compressing values, you are doing so in the proper manner, as opposed to relying on well saturation to do it inappropriately.

let's say you start compressing at 240 up to 255

i.e. if you have 100/240/50 then the transform gives you 100/240/50

but if you have 100/248/50, then you half the distance for the other two channels

i.e. 100+155/2/248/50+255/2

Sure.

of course, it will be a little more complex when two primaries reach the 240 value

Yes.

sorry 100/248/50 -> 187/248/177

but we _know_ that the actual sensel information is linear and was correct (no primary is overexposed at 100/248/50)

looks very pleasing, but is nevertheless wrong, no?

Which from a photographic vantage is worse.

because you can always do this kind of operation on the raw data at any later point

My vantage would be from the end "what you see in the encoded data" it makes more sense to do it.

as I said, for e.g. preview or similar I think it's an excellent idea

but I can also see why cameras with 'lossy compression' would go this route, because the 'cut off' poses a big problem for any (lossy) compressor

(i'll take care of the announcement however, if hosting is secured :D)

super \o/ many thanks

is announced!

now popular: 开源才是主流：Open-source Axiom Beta 4K Cinema Camera http://xilinx.eetrend.com/news/10884

Simon is unfortunately not available today so I will try to follow in his footsteps

we will then give updates one after the other

Here.

Bertl please go ahead

I had some setbacks over the last few weeks but nothing critical (hardware problems, etc)

Nevertheless, I managed to build a new SD image for the Beta

can you provide a download link for those who have a dev kit?

the image is already up, but I would suggest to wait a few more days as I don't have Beta hardware to test it on and Sebastian had some feedback

I also updated my build system to the latest Vivado, Diamond, iVerilog, KiCad, Eagle, etcc

I almost finished the ESP32 shield (only power needs to be routed), so we will soon have a new shield to test and hopefully build :)

that's it from my side ... any questions?

currently we have six people if I counted right

but time coordination is still a problem

many thanks, taking notes for meeting summary in parallel

I didn't include us :)

yes

+r

Possibly because not much is going on at present.

It's just getting someone to pull their finger out.

https://twitter.com/ApertusOSCinema/status/821018109624598529

This is always an issue, because this kind of thing takes time. Even when money is involved you typically have to pressure a dev.

normally you have deadlines and communicate progress

one person via email after seeing the twitter post

It may be that this guy I'm dealing with currently is familiar with drupel, I'll be mentioning it later.

Am I right in thinking that these people expect to be paid?

I ll contact them all to clarify the situation though

The guy that was dabbling recently, is he a Uni guy?

there was already some work on new flyers to print. the content is already pretty ready, but we need a designer to have a good first impression.

davidak you mentioned the OS guy who offered paid graphics design help recently

I take it you're not talking about the work that I did.

se6astian: can you add some more info about the flyer redesign?

I suggested we discuss this topic of paying someone else here as first step and with the community/board as well

so far our policy has been that we do not pay anyone a "salary" in the project from crowd funding money

RexOrCine: you have access to this google doc, there is no other place

Ah, so the new flyers must be what I did. I will say, I don't think it's a good idea to settle on any concepts until we have a hi-key image of the AXIOM Beta.

who gets paid, who doesnt get paid, why not me, why this guy, etc....

Well I took 230 quid net in 2016 so I'm out.

Personally I don't think shelling out money is required.

but that's just me, that is something the board/community has to decide

yes, i already commented

its definitely a topic we will not resolve today, but we can set an outline of how to arrive at such decision

eg. what requirements must be met

i think later, when we sell products we will have more money to fund further development and get help from professionals and pay our contributors

and fund other people who also help improve open source (software, hardware, ...) :)

lets finish the money topic first

thanks davidak!

The reason I ask is because, when it comes to deciding upon what's included on the inside / reverse of a flyer, it might be worth our while pulling text from that docuement.

-) The service must be required urgently

-) Reasonable effort to find someone do it pro-bono must have been made

anything to change, remove, add?

which IMHO rules out flyers for example

Bertl: good point, adding

-) Any decisions should be based around what money is available and from which channels any money might be channelled from.

ok RexOrCine your turn now

Se6asian and I have been working on the forum. Which can be accessed here: https://forum.apertus.org/index.php

is it ok if we invite the team first to test/use it

and then general public

*conform

fine for me

but the CSS needs some work, 67 errors

Ten4

I'll let you do that se6astian as your methods are established.

anything else from your side?

great

-) http://notes.apertus.org/ is still not operational

documentation is sparse,

I placed a set of different size components pretty successfully recently

I am now in the process of replacing the liteplacer top and bottom vision cameras

hexagonal led lights (http://malte-randt.de/hexagonal-led-light/) are ordered

I also created a 3d printable semi manual tape feeder

first tests are very promising

I also made some progress with openpnp and liteplacer documentation:

optical homing, nozzle changer, etc.

you need to switch to the main assembly tab at bottom

regarding the new firmware image creation I added my wishes/todos here

an indian university student contacted us to work on cross compiling the beta internal software automaticaly

will need to follow up

currently the last remaining step is to figure out the serial USB connection between remote and beta after the devicetree changes the latest firmware image brought

on the hardware assembly front we added a new guy to the team last week

he also attended to hand soldering documentation so it was half training half documentation

https://wiki.apertus.org/index.php/AXIOM_Beta/AXIOM_Beta_Prices

but growing

thanks!

thanks everyone

2weeks monday 19:00 again?

a "material regulars table"

but its an offline meeting

ok for me

great

ok, thanks everyone for attending, meeting closed

i'm curious if simonrepp has already contacted marcin from opensourceecology back. i really like his vision and see great progress on his projects. we can probaply learn a lot from him and get helpful feedback on our designs. for example he does google hangouts with people to discuss https://youtu.be/QXoGIEG6-Xs

yup

if you don't know them, this is their current project: http://openbuildinginstitute.org/

also a wider vision for a whole open source ecology http://opensourceecology.org/wiki/Main_Page

yeah, I know the open source ecology

his TED Talk is very inspiring (and short) http://www.ted.com/talks/marcin_jakubowski?utm_source=tedcomshare&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=tedspread

Posting that here, it's pretty much lost, on the forum it might get some traction.