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|  | 17:00 | se6astian |     MEETING TIME, who is here?
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 | 17:00 | Bertl |     is here
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|  | 17:02 | Bertl |     not much, spent most of my time investigating the HDMI MIPI bridge setup further
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|  | 17:02 | Bertl |     preparing for a suitable plugin board but still missing manufacturer data
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|  | 17:03 | se6astian |     great
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|  | 17:03 | Bertl |     some test showed that we can probably get away with a very reduced component count
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|  | 17:04 | Bertl |     without sacrificing quality that is
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|  | 17:06 | se6astian |     anuejn and me had a work session last thursday and made lots of progress with firmware upgrades and additions, still some things left to complete though
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|  | 17:06 | se6astian |     anuejn also expressed interest in evaluating the rockpi5 instead of the raspberry pi5
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|  | 17:06 | se6astian |     as it has hdmi in built in already IIRC
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|  | 17:06 | se6astian |     for the axiom recorder
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|  | 17:07 | se6astian |     you have one Bertl right?
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|  | 17:07 | Bertl |     yeah, I have one
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|  | 17:07 | se6astian |     do I remember correctly that the hdmi in was already tested but showed no signal from the beta at the time?
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|  | 17:07 | Bertl |     I didn't do the testing back then IIRC
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|  | 17:07 | se6astian |     maybe anuejn did it
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|  | 17:08 | Bertl |     but I certainly can test it with the new firmware
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|  | 17:08 | se6astian |     would be interesting to try again now with the hdmi fixes
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|  | 17:08 | se6astian |     if hdmi works
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|  | 17:08 | Bertl |     yes, but I do not see that it could be a real competition for the rpi5
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|  | 17:08 | se6astian |     yes please hook it up if you have time
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|  | 17:08 | Bertl |     costs way more, only has one HDMI input, etc
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|  | 17:09 | se6astian |     what are the pros/cons? not needing additional PCBs for mipi/hdmi input is a plus
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|  | 17:09 | se6astian |     and the nmve ssd is also built in already IIRC
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|  | 17:09 | se6astian |     the slot I mean
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|  | 17:09 | Bertl |     we won't need additional PCBs, we will have direct MIPI out on the upcoming plugin
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|  | 17:10 | Bertl |     two MIPI channels and one HDMI
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|  | 17:10 | Bertl |     but MIPI might work with the rockpi as well
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|  | 17:11 | se6astian |     well, we dont even know if we will get chips from toshiba no?
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|  | 17:11 | Bertl |     but the rock-pi 5 with cooler comes about 2-3x the price of the rpi5
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|  | 17:13 | Bertl |     we definitely should do a feature comparison
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|  | 17:13 | Bertl |     (recorder specific that is)
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|  | 17:14 | se6astian |     its also slightly bigger (100x72mm) than the rp5 (85x56mm)
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|  | 17:15 | se6astian |     yes a good overview table would be great
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|  | 17:15 | se6astian |     anuejn: size you brought that choice up would you dive into this?
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|  | 17:16 | se6astian |     *since
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|  | 17:19 | se6astian |     ok, anyone else who wants to share?
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|  | 17:20 | se6astian |     BAndiT1983 made some progress with the asciidocs auto generated documentation IIRC?
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|  | 17:20 | BAndiT1983 |     a bit, will adjust the pipeline
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|  | 17:20 | BAndiT1983 |     so we can get proper theming and additional diagrams via kroki etc.
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|  | 17:23 | se6astian |     great, anything else?
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|  | 17:25 | BAndiT1983 |     nope, not yet, but will try to resume other things soon
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|  | 17:25 | se6astian |     good good
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|  | 17:25 | se6astian |     ok then thanks everyone! MEETING CONCLUDED
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|  | 17:26 | Bertl |     thanks for the moderation!
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|  | 20:39 | anuejn |     se6astian: I can try
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|  | 20:39 | anuejn |     but i dont really think we should do a pro con session but rather discuss the points
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|  | 20:39 | anuejn |     since bertl has strong feelings for the rpi and I have feelings for the rockchip,  we should probably just have a chat
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|  | 20:42 | anuejn |     so here is my argumentation for the rockpi: 
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|  | 20:42 | anuejn |     I believe,  that it is hardware-wise a bit easier since we do not need to develop anything new (can use the existing plugin modules)
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|  | 20:43 | anuejn |     In addition to that,  the rockpi offers a solution for fast storage that has loads of headroom (pcie 3x4)
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|  | 20:44 | anuejn |     these are my main points
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|  | 20:44 | anuejn |     the raspi is cheaper
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|  | 20:45 | anuejn |     and with some work we can probably get some more input bandwith (via 2x mipi with 4 lanes)
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|  | 20:45 | anuejn |     but it has a lot less output bandwidth
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|  | 20:46 | anuejn |     on the upside it has a working vulkan driver (which the rockpi lacks)
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|  | 20:49 | anuejn |     the RK3588 is roughly twice as fast as the BCM2712
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|  | 20:49 | anuejn |     (cpu performance)
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|  | 20:50 | anuejn |     (multicore; single core seems roughly the same)
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|  | 20:55 | anuejn |     gpu performance we cannot really compare since the axiom recorder cannot currently utilize the rockchip gpu due to no existing driver
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|  | 20:56 | anuejn |     I have the feeling that the rockpi _should_ be more or less just a matter of plugging it in,  now that the HDMI is working
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|  | 20:57 | anuejn |     but it would be nice to test that
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|  | 20:57 | anuejn |     (and some tweaks on the axiom recorder to fix the so far untested cpu-only mode)
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|  | 20:57 | anuejn |     the pi is also fine,  if we get write performance sorted out
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|  | 20:58 | anuejn |     any more thoughts,  Bertl?
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|  | 20:59 | anuejn |     ah: the RK3588 has probably a bit more headroom to do image compression in software
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|  | 20:59 | anuejn |     but unclear if that benefits us much because we have a hard time getting the data into the soc
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|  | 21:40 | se6astian |     do we benefit from the increased write performance to SSD via pcie if the input is 1080p60 max anyways?
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|  | 23:03 | anuejn |     no.
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|  | 23:03 | anuejn |     the maximum datarate we can shove over the hdmi is below 3.96 gigabit / second (495 megabyte / second)
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|  | 23:04 | anuejn |     so more than that we will also not write
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|  | 23:27 | Bertl |     anuejn: write performance on the rpi5 is fine for the PCIe NVMe
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|  | 23:27 | Bertl |     what we investigated recently is mostly alternatives over USB3
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|  | 23:27 | anuejn |     ah,  i see
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|  | 23:27 | anuejn |     then it does not really matter
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|  | 23:29 | anuejn |     that is nice
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|  | 23:29 | Bertl |     we should also look at size/volume as se6astian already hinted and we should probably check power consumptuon
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|  | 23:29 | Bertl |     *consumption
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|  | 23:30 | anuejn |     the rockchip is probably a bit more power efficient (newer process node)
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|  | 23:30 | Bertl |     all in all, a comparison table (of all the devices) would be interesting
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|  | 23:30 | anuejn |     but I expect that both do not burn _crazy_ amounts of power
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