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Bertl
off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
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comradekingu
So i talked about the apertus axiom beta at work today. At the point where i mentioned hdmi cables my pitch took a tumble
14:20
comradekingu
Because hdmi cables and connectors, exposed to the everyday grind of broadcasting, fail, invariably
14:21
comradekingu
But everyone has their settings and their preferences, so the custom abilities really fits in with everyone in the chain
14:22
comradekingu
I think if you can enable one guy to do a multiple angle shoot on his own without much hassle the price doesnt matter
14:22
comradekingu
Much like carrying a microphone was a guy of its own back in the day
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Bertl
morning folks!
15:13
Bertl
comradekingu: well, I hope you made it clear that the Beta is a development device, so not intended for everyday grind of whatever, and also that the I/O interface can be switched out (e.g. for an SDI interface or whatever works for you)
15:25
comradekingu
oh, ill take anything over hdmi
15:26
Bertl
so you might go with the SDI module instead of the HDMI then (as example :)
15:26
Bertl
just we do not expect developers to have many SDI capable monitors ...
15:27
comradekingu
there is a special "oh he said hdmi"-face, and its means im listening from hereon out, but hdmi has been said
15:28
comradekingu
My other thing is that the website doesnt explain what makes it different from doing the same over again
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comradekingu
its "free (in terms of liberty) and open cinema tools" and then no explanation of what that entails
15:29
comradekingu
If someone wants to write about it for example, its difficult for them if they arent already in the loop of things
15:31
comradekingu
Its not like everyone and their dog knows what a porche is, or that they have use for it, or can afford it. But since the concept is communicated quite clearly, that has benefits
15:31
Bertl
not sure what you mean here ... IIRC, the web pages have been massaged for some time, no?
15:33
comradekingu
Well, it got slightly better, but the majority of it was in getting rid of things that werent essential
15:33
Bertl
anyway, I think the problem is the target audience
15:33
comradekingu
https://www.apertus.org/home-wip is my effort, i think it lowers the treshold considerably. Makes it more comprihensible for regular people
15:34
Bertl
we have no intention (at this point) to convince somebody not interested in their freedoms that a FOSS/OH camera is the better choice
15:34
comradekingu
But the target audience doesnt shrink or suffer from broadening the scope
15:35
comradekingu
That isnt the issue
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comradekingu
The issue is that very few people know what a FOSS/OH camera is
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Bertl
many folks nowadays suffer from the "golden cage" syndrome, and they are happy, so why waste valuable resources in fighting windmills
15:35
comradekingu
Someone who knows next to nothing about engines can still tell you what a porche is about
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comradekingu
dont understand
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Bertl
try asking an armish family about the values of a porche :)
15:37
comradekingu
I bought a camera just to learn and because its foss, i know foss from before, and i have an interest in cameras
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comradekingu
what does armish mean?
15:37
Bertl
-r
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Bertl
what I'm saying is, different people, different values
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Bertl
nevertheless, feel free to write more about the advantages of FOSS/OH in respect to the AXIOM cameras or apertus ecosystem
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comradekingu
ok, this is like using amish language to communicate a product that isnt encompassed by amish terms
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comradekingu
Thats after you know what FOSS is
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comradekingu
Otherwise its just anyones product brief, albeit a compelling one
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comradekingu
If i am not thinking differently, i am not expecting there to be anything different, in turn leading me to make false assumptions
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comradekingu
All derived from the main point being nowhere to be seen
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comradekingu
Unless you already know it that is
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Bertl
I doubt that you can explain the advantages of FOSS/OH to somebody who isn't already unhappy with the current state
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comradekingu
Exact same reason so much of the cruft was removed, it preaches to the choir
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comradekingu
Bertl: thats where you are wrong
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comradekingu
And misguided
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Bertl
IMHO it's like telling somebody who was imprisoned all his life, how great the "outside" is
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comradekingu
If you dont know about anything else, you accept the current situation as faith, if you dont make it obvious there is a difference, there isnt a reason to be unhappy
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Bertl
if he is happy "inside" then your arguments won't really take ground
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Bertl
I'm all for explaining the advantages, don't get me wrong there
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comradekingu
Some people were unhappy enough to make a camera that is different, and then left it out of their communication, because they thought the point wasnt an important one to make
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Bertl
but I'm against missionary work
15:43
comradekingu
How is it?
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comradekingu
How is communicating a message clearly and honest anything to do with missionary work
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Bertl
didn't say that, did I?
15:44
comradekingu
ok
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comradekingu
then we agree
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Bertl
and again, if you think that you can "improve" the message, feel free to do so
15:45
comradekingu
Right now i would describe it as a cult/underground way of communicating. You either know already or we wont bother pointing it out. To me that only makes sense if it absolutely doesnt concern anyone else
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comradekingu
Like "ask for quote" if the price is outside of anyone who needs to ask's pricerange
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comradekingu
Bertl: i did, and its just sitting there. It wont ever be approved, because the only people with write-permissions are the people who wrote the old one, and cant understand where it fails
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comradekingu
And that is a damn shame, because if the market demographic is anythiing, its pro videographers. Not foss videographers, because thats 100 people
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comradekingu
And pro videographers know video, and they know being annoyed at closed cumbersome stuff. They understand whats better, but if they dont understand foss they wont consider apertus to be anything but another aja or whatever else small venture doing a camera
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comradekingu
I think its a case of not seeing the difference from within. The obvious apertus solution isnt obviously known or known to be different from where the problem arised
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comradekingu
I see people everyday who suffer with systems i wouldnt touch with a rake, because i know better. But i know well enough to know i did the exact same thing before i knew better.
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comradekingu
So short of spending the time ive put in, id really like it if someone told my old self a few things or two in this manner.
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comradekingu
Try it, the work is already done.
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comradekingu
Or if its worse for anyone, let me know, and i shall make amends
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dmjnova
comradekingu: sounds like they might need some custom interface modules
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se6astian
hello!
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Juicyfruit
hi se6astian :)
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se6astian
hello!
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comradekingu
dmjnova: well the idea is to make it rugged, anything thats in the least fiddly will break
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dmjnova
comradekingu: yeah, was just saying one could replace the HDMI interface boards with something else given the development effort
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comradekingu
dmjnova: yes, that puts it in the running again
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Bertl
off for a nap ... bbl
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BAndiT1983 committed rOPENCINEc74177ebd149: - Prototype: Started implementing simple processing pipeline to verify some⦠(authored by BAndiT1983).
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BAndiT1983 committed rOPENCINE8712dc108e01: - Prototype: Small adjustments (authored by BAndiT1983).
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damn kyboard
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se6astian
good night :)
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