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| 07:35 | se6astian | good morning
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| 07:42 | comradekingu | good morning
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| 07:43 | comradekingu | translating mumble, it is rough
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| 08:44 | simonrepp | animated beta exploded view inside unreal engine 4 (ノ゚▽゚)ノ http://fdpl.foundation/beta-ue4.mp4
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| 08:44 | simonrepp | (with dramatic music, by accident :D)
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| 08:51 | Bertl | morning folks!
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| 08:53 | Bertl | simonrepp: nice :)
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| 09:06 | simonrepp | Bertl I'm pondering to finally look into the PCB 3D model generation from gerber (?) files we talked about in summer, can you point me to where i find the pieces i have to put together? (eg. the 3d parts library and the source files which i'll parse as a start?)
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| 09:10 | Bertl | we currently still use Eagle. the Eagle designs can be found here: http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Stuff/AXIOM/BETA/
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| 09:11 | Bertl | the files are XML, so can be parsed easily
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| 09:11 | Bertl | we also use a script to generate gerber files from the board files. se6astian has the details on that
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| 09:12 | Bertl | for the 3D part libraries, I have no idea what is suitable and what not ..
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| 09:12 | simonrepp | so there's different 3d part libraries to choose from?
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| 09:13 | simonrepp | which of these files are the xml based eagle designs?
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| 09:13 | simonrepp | .brd? .sch? :) ...
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| 09:13 | Bertl | the .sch are the schematic files (probably of little interest)
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| 09:13 | Bertl | the .brd are the board design files
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| 09:14 | Bertl | they contain the positions and rotations, etc
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| 09:14 | simonrepp | i see, wires, parts (with identifiers), cool
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| 09:15 | se6astian | btw
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| 09:15 | se6astian | http://3dbrdviewer.cytec.bg/
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| 09:15 | simonrepp | does this contain ALL the things on every board, or will there be something i'm missing if i use this to generate a 3d model?
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| 09:15 | Bertl | se6astian: yeah, just found that as well
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| 09:16 | simonrepp | hey great so i was just put out of work! :D
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| 09:17 | Bertl | big problem though: the boards are not purple!!!!
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| 09:17 | simonrepp | haha, i knew there was a catch
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| 09:19 | Bertl | ah, no, you can select the color :)
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| 09:20 | Bertl | but the results are not convincing after a quick test ... i.e. a lot of missing parts it seems
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| 09:21 | Bertl | I tried with the power board, and it looks like there are 10 of 250 components rendered
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| 09:21 | Bertl | and half of them look wrong :)
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| 09:22 | Bertl | but maybe it can be adapted/improved ... no idea
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| 09:23 | simonrepp | it's possible to replace missing components, but it seems very ephemeral, no way to save/export, no scripting ..
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| 09:25 | simonrepp | so i mainly have 2 questions still:
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| 09:25 | simonrepp | are there any parts libraries we already know that we could/should use (links?)?
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| 09:26 | Bertl | http://www.traceparts.com/
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| 09:26 | Bertl | https://grabcad.com/library/electronic-components-1
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| 09:27 | simonrepp | and assuming i manage to create script(s) that successfully gather all parts and correctly place them according to the .brd files - will i get complete 3d representations of a board, or are there things on the board that are NOT represented in the eagle designs?
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| 09:27 | Bertl | many manufacturers also supply step files and similar
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| 09:28 | Bertl | the PCB itself is represented in the eagle files too, but it is probably way easier to use the gerber files for that, but I might be completely wrong here
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| 09:30 | Bertl | distributors also keep extensive part libraries, like for example:
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| 09:30 | Bertl | http://www.digikey.com/en/resources/3d-models
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| 09:31 | Bertl | http://at.rs-online.com/web/generalDisplay.html?id=3D-CAD
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| 09:31 | Bertl | farnell has the 3D models linked to the parts
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| 09:33 | simonrepp | whew looks like a lot of patchwork :/ ... but very cool, bookmarked all the links!!
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| 09:34 | Bertl | I'm sure there are many more, but for our purpose it would be more than sufficient to have a custom part library
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| 09:34 | Bertl | i.e. a way to associate a 3D file (STEP, STL, etc) with a part
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| 09:34 | simonrepp | yeah i see, looks like i'll just have to see what's to be found where and then put together all the pieces step by step, working through everythign that's missing
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| 09:34 | Bertl | and get the placement right as well :)
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| 09:35 | simonrepp | are the gerber files for the pcb itself also at the /Stuff/AXIOM/BETA/ location?
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| 09:35 | Bertl | we can store 'attributes' in the eagle files, so if some kind of '3d-model' id would help, it could certainly be done
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| 09:36 | simonrepp | i might get back to that offer, but i think it would be cleaner to do the mapping inside the EAGLE->3D conversion pipeline itself
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| 09:36 | Bertl | probably only a few gerber are there ... se6astian should know where to find the others, but they can also be generated with Eagle from the board files (even on the command line)
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| 09:37 | simonrepp | (unless there are components where there is no unique identification possible from the EAGLE file itself, there we might have to augment right at the source i guess)
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| 09:37 | Bertl | no attributes -> less work, so I'm happy with that :)
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| 09:38 | simonrepp | exactly :) and less organization required for me as well if i can just adjust the mapping myself
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| 09:38 | simonrepp | if the gerber files are generated from the eagle files anyway, then i think i'll just skip the gerber files altogether (unless i find reasons that i need them when i'm actually working stuff out)
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| 09:39 | Bertl | okay
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| 09:39 | simonrepp | less puzzle pieces to put together/hunt after .. ;)
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| 09:41 | simonrepp | well great, i think i can start with what i have here :) thanks so much!
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| 09:41 | Bertl | you're very welcome!
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| 09:43 | se6astian | some gerber files are linked on the wiki: https://wiki.apertus.org/index.php/AXIOM_Beta_Main_Board_V0.36_R1.2
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| 09:43 | se6astian | if still required
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| 09:44 | simonrepp | regarding irc meeting -> my initial suggestion would be 15h or 16h CET, and during weekdays (from my side no preference for any specific of them), does that sound good for you guys?
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| 09:44 | simonrepp | if you have a preferred day, say so now! :)
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| 09:44 | Bertl | 16:00 CET sounds good
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| 09:44 | se6astian | that works on some weekdays but not on all
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| 09:45 | se6astian | I did a doodle recently with 4 other team members and we settled for 19:00
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| 09:45 | se6astian | some people were still at work at 15:00, 16:00
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| 09:45 | se6astian | monday/tuesday I am most flexible with time
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| 09:45 | simonrepp | ok fine as well if that includes more people
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| 09:46 | simonrepp | how about monday 19th at 19h as a first date?
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| 09:47 | se6astian | btw in case you did not see it yet
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| 09:47 | se6astian | there is a project to do 3d visualization of brd files in sketchup
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| 09:47 | se6astian | https://eagleup.wordpress.com/
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| 09:48 | se6astian | I have an appointment on monday 19th at 19:00 I am afraid
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| 09:49 | simonrepp | tuesday 20th 19h?
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| 09:49 | se6astian | another appointment :)
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| 09:50 | Bertl | the 19:00 appointments :)
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| 09:50 | se6astian | yes its the typical "after work I am free" time :)
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| 09:50 | Bertl | you work on mondays? :)
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| 09:51 | simonrepp | ok then other suggestions please :)
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| 09:53 | simonrepp | generally we should be aiming for something that's generally inclusive for as many people as possible, but i think a regular sustainable meeting should not depend on any single person to absolutely be there, because then it can't work anyway :)
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| 09:54 | simonrepp | if you're fine with missing out already on the first test meeting se6astian then we can do mon/tue 19h anyway if that's a good general choice for everyone (just not for you specifically the first time)
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| 09:55 | se6astian | fine for me to miss the first meeting :)
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| 09:57 | simonrepp | ok then i'll just pick either of the two next week and announce that
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| 09:57 | se6astian | great
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| 09:58 | simonrepp | i'll announce on team@ and .. somewhere else?
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| 09:59 | Bertl | skinkie: ping?
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| 10:01 | simonrepp | ultimately i think this is something to publicly announce as well (it's a great way for the public to see activity and openness for a project, at least that's how i experience it for the blender irc meetings eg), but maybe for the first test meetings we can figure out how it works for ourselves, then we'll later we'll be able to pull off sensible meetings with a larger audience as well :)
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| 10:04 | se6astian | simonrepp: there is also axiom-community@ with 337 members
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| 10:04 | se6astian | and axiom-dev@ with 48 members
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| 10:04 | se6astian | but I am not sure how big and how internal/external we should start
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| 10:04 | se6astian | probably with a smaller circle first
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| 10:12 | simonrepp | ok i'll add axiom-dev@ then, axiom-community@ starting with one of the following meetings when we know what we are doing :D
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| 10:12 | simonrepp | i'm documenting this on lab.apertus.org right now, and will announce it the next days
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| 10:13 | se6astian | great
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| 10:22 | simonrepp | ok, documented: https://lab.apertus.org/T260 thanks everyone, i'm off :)
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| 11:10 | Bertl | off for now .. bbs
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| 14:32 | skinkie | ping
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| 14:33 | Bertl | hey
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| 14:38 | skinkie | hi
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| 14:43 | se6astian | skinkie: you wanted to know the details of the Betas custom kernel herbert created IIRC
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| 14:45 | Bertl | I just checked, and it does not contain many modifications at the moment, more precisely it is a single change to the UART code
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| 14:45 | Bertl | but it did contain a lot more before xilinx updated the kernel and it might contain a number of other patches in the future when we add custom drivers/fixes
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| 14:46 | Bertl | in general I'd suggest we create a git repository for that and use proper tags for automated builds
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| 15:16 | skinkie | Bertl: is the generation of the kernel and bootloader something that is stable?
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| 15:16 | skinkie | I recall we had to change things before, and even were considering to use the open Elphel instead of the Xilinx bootloader. What is the status on this?
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| 15:18 | Bertl | bootloader is unclear, we currently use the very same bootloader files we generated back then
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| 15:19 | Bertl | what we definitely need is to get a proper u-boot config and environment into the mix (probably best solution would be a git repository for that too)
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| 15:20 | Bertl | for the environment I promised to follow up with a separate e-Mail but haven't had the time yet to work it out
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| 15:22 | Bertl | from the register settings/hardware config the bootloader will not need to change often even if we change device tree and other stuff it shouldn't be affected
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| 16:37 | Bertl | off for now ... bbl
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