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| 01:47 | Rebelj12a | Just letting people know. I dont quite have the time to learn Wiki and wiki code to organize the wikipedia as of yet. I am currently documenting my projects on Hackaday since there seems to be pretty knowledgable individuals on that site. Plus its really⦠really nice for project organization. Logs, parts, and all that. Its quite convenient at least for me on the go to publish my ideas and individual progress⦠letting everyon
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| 01:47 | Rebelj12a | know.
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| 01:48 | Rebelj12a | http://hackaday.io/projects/hacker/36426
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| 01:48 | Rebelj12a | Also all data and info found out when experimenting and making these projects work, im documenting and putting in the Open Source âidea cloudâ of the apertus Wiki
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| 01:49 | Rebelj12a | Current project is a small video light and barn doors portable oneâ¦. Either or may be powered by arduino I dont know depends on which is more interesting. I have one Arduino UNO and thats all XD so gotta pick and choose. The concepts are sound though.
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| 01:50 | Rebelj12a | Also reason im doing these is I found out⦠well⦠apparantly I have 4 plus some surplus scanners downstairs I didnt realize I still had haha.
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| 02:03 | Rebelj12a | Also if anyone wants to help. Hey feel free to message me. I could use some help on some of the specifics.
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| 03:14 | Bertl | off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
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| 03:15 | Rebelj12a | Night dont let the gremlins bite XD
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| 03:15 | Rebelj12a | blasted gremlins
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| 03:18 | troy_s | Rebelj12a: Greets.
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| 03:18 | Rebelj12a | Ahoy
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| 03:18 | troy_s | Rebelj12a: Make progress with your i1 yet?
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| 03:18 | troy_s | Rebelj12a: i'd highly (hugely) rec dispcalgui if you haven't gotten it yet.
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| 03:19 | Rebelj12a | hmm
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| 03:19 | Rebelj12a | For?
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| 03:19 | troy_s | Uh profiling.
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| 03:19 | Rebelj12a | Oh not the built in ical profiling?
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| 03:19 | troy_s | (there are two sides to display work - calibration and characterization (aka profiling))
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| 03:19 | Rebelj12a | er sorry i1display
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| 03:19 | troy_s | The software that ships with the devices generally sucks.
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| 03:20 | troy_s | Not nearly enough control.
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| 03:20 | Rebelj12a | Fair enough, too true in most cases
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| 03:20 | troy_s | If you see a big green button that says "DO MAGIC" generally don't trust it.
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| 03:20 | troy_s | There's a little theory in behind characterization / profilng that would serve anyone interested in digital imaging extremely well to learn.
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| 03:20 | troy_s | Highly advised.
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| 03:20 | Rebelj12a | Oh CRAP that site led me to another site with an android app link for using the i1display for color metering.
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| 03:21 | Rebelj12a | sweet
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| 03:21 | troy_s | The good news is that dispcalgui is an advanced interface, but likely 'entry level' enough to serve an enthusiast.
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| 03:21 | troy_s | look for dispcalgui
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| 03:21 | Rebelj12a | Ill be honest⦠graphic artists, photographers, other such people in this area⦠They dont even know what color profiling is.
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| 03:21 | Rebelj12a | Me just knowing and having⦠puts me that far ahead XD
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| 03:21 | troy_s | Argyll now has an Android app. That's Graeme's way of earning some money off of his (colossal) effort.
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| 03:21 | troy_s | You only need dispcalgui
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| 03:21 | troy_s | It ships with a recent Argyll.
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| 03:21 | troy_s | A _really_ amazing product.
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| 03:22 | troy_s | Includes Resolve profiling now too.
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| 03:22 | troy_s | Florian is a rock star.
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| 03:22 | Rebelj12a | niiice
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| 03:22 | troy_s | Really is.
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| 03:22 | troy_s | If you snag it, I can sleepwalk you through the basics.
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| 03:23 | troy_s | It's prudent to characterize / profile your display about once per month or so.
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| 03:23 | Rebelj12a | Yeah I do that
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| 03:23 | troy_s | Drift happens.
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| 03:23 | troy_s | But the real issue is that the default software doesn't really tell you anything as to what is going on.
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| 03:23 | troy_s | Whereas Graemes is all text files and verbose output.
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| 03:23 | troy_s | You can _really_ see what is happening.
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| 03:23 | troy_s | (In terms of measured XYZ values etc.)
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| 03:24 | Rebelj12a | Just gotta figure out how to set up my broadcast monitor to my Macbook Pro. Marshall VLCD50MD - bah I dont want to shell out for the thunderbolt to SDI D:
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| 03:24 | troy_s | Your Marshall is a 7 inch?
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| 03:24 | Rebelj12a | uh yes
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| 03:24 | Rebelj12a | I believe
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| 03:24 | troy_s | What is your broadcast?
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| 03:24 | troy_s | Or is that your broadcast?
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| 03:24 | Rebelj12a | Yeah it is
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| 03:25 | troy_s | So for 709 that thing should be effectively set to 1886.
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| 03:25 | troy_s | (BT.1886)
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| 03:25 | troy_s | In terms of transfer curve.
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| 03:25 | Rebelj12a | yeah
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| 03:25 | troy_s | Whereas your Macbook should be sRGB (which is around 2.4)
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| 03:25 | troy_s | "Correct" sRGB viewing and "correct" 709 viewing are almost identical.
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| 03:26 | troy_s | sRGB has a two part transfer that averages out to close to 2.4ish. 709 is encoded at 1.9closeish (again a two parter) and to be viewed on BT.1886 which is 2.4 gamma.
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| 03:26 | Rebelj12a | Yeah just cant get the macbook to recognize it
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| 03:26 | troy_s | ???
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| 03:26 | troy_s | The display?
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| 03:26 | Rebelj12a | Yeah
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| 03:26 | Rebelj12a | Only hookup is hdmi
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| 03:27 | troy_s | Via HDMI?
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| 03:27 | troy_s | And the Macbook is shitting the bed?
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| 03:27 | Rebelj12a | yep
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| 03:27 | troy_s | Good god.
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| 03:27 | troy_s | You'd think that if you spent 2000$ on a lump of metal that it _might_ work.
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| 03:27 | Rebelj12a | You would think.
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| 03:27 | troy_s | Perhaps we ask too much.
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| 03:27 | troy_s | Perhaps we can only get working HDMI on a 10000$ item.
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| 03:28 | Rebelj12a | Prooobably since we arent in Apples target market.
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| 03:28 | troy_s | They should just write that on the box.
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| 03:28 | troy_s | "Comes with an HDMI port. To software unlock, please purchase the 12014$ App.)
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| 03:28 | Rebelj12a | bah
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| 03:28 | troy_s | (Despite the fact that 30$ DVD players from China ship with working HDMI.
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| 03:28 | Rebelj12a | Im sure theres a way. but all forum posts and such post it wont work without an adapter.
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| 03:29 | troy_s | Ridiculous.
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| 03:29 | Rebelj12a | No it does work, on regular screens
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| 03:29 | troy_s | Your Marhsall is only 1080 at the _most_
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| 03:30 | troy_s | Anyways... go snag dispcalgui
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| 03:30 | troy_s | I generally have been leaning towards folks _not_ calibrating their displays and merely characterizing them.
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| 03:32 | Rebelj12a | Yeah I grabbed it but I gotta go for a bit. In the middle of a few things.
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| 03:32 | troy_s | Largely due to the fact that A) graphics cards can poop the sheets and drop the 1D transfer curve table thereby making the profile moot and B) is faster / easier to accomplish.
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| 07:45 | comradekingu | Does apertus use cern open hardware license v1.1 or v 1.2 ? The difference being http://www.ohwr.org/projects/cernohl/wiki/FAQ#CERN-OHL-v12
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| 07:46 | comradekingu | There is even the TAPR open hardware license http://www.tapr.org/TAPR_Open_Hardware_License_v1.0.txt
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| 07:46 | comradekingu | I think there is a distinction between open hardware and open source hardware, but ive forgotten what is what
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| 07:51 | comradekingu | TAPR difference "... those who benefit from an OHL design may not bring lawsuits claiming that design infringes their patents or other intellectual property."
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| 07:52 | comradekingu | i think bringing patents into the picture is a bonus, but that open hardware makes more sense for apertus than free hardware
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| 07:53 | philippej | this has been discussed a lot already :-)
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| 07:53 | comradekingu | Since "clone merely for profit" is a term
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| 07:53 | comradekingu | philippej: what was the conclusion?
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| 07:55 | philippej | the most recent summary is here I'd say : https://www.apertus.org/openness-explained-2014
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| 07:55 | comradekingu | ok
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| 07:55 | comradekingu | For documentation there is a link to creative commons, but that isnt actually a license. its always BY-CC-SA or some variant thereof
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| 07:55 | philippej | don't hesitate to propose better wording
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| 07:56 | comradekingu | as we are gathered around the vaginal table, this very serious assembly may now start
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| 07:56 | philippej | with the little caveats that we "voted" this statement :-)
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| 07:56 | comradekingu | i was going for the, "someone told me, i blame them" quickfix
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| 07:57 | comradekingu | i see what you mean about the wording
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| 07:58 | philippej | when we decided that, as far as I remember, every member worked on a shared document to try to best write our intent, than we voted for it
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| 07:58 | philippej | se6astian|away would give more insight
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| 08:01 | comradekingu | âAs open as possible, as closed as necessaryâ sounds somwhat redundant after the comma
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| 08:02 | comradekingu | "have recently met up in a virtual boardroom" this is so cringeworthy it just has to be left in
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| 08:03 | comradekingu | "We have banned all proprietary interfaces and parts without open documentation from being utilised in the camera core"
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| 08:03 | comradekingu | "The Axiom base system is defined by the following logical and physical parts: image sensor front-end, processing board, external interface board, power management"
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| 08:03 | philippej | I guess it's better to consider this doc history of the project and keep it as such
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| 08:04 | comradekingu | then from the current opensource page: "For some interfaces we have to use proprietary protocols which we can also not disclose in the code (eg. âindustry standardâ but proprietary battery communication protocols)."
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| 08:05 | comradekingu | is base system somehow different from camera core?
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| 08:05 | philippej | separation of core and additional interfaces
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| 08:05 | philippej | for example shields on beta
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| 08:06 | philippej | be warned we can nitpick over this for years without bringing anything useful to the table :-)
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| 08:07 | comradekingu | to the virtual boardroom! with the vaginal table, one community enters, nobody leaves
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| 08:07 | philippej | :-)
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| 08:07 | comradekingu | well it said cern open hardware license 1.2 so ill stick with that
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| 08:10 | comradekingu | i like the requirement of notifying of modifications of v1.1, i wonder when it kicks in though
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| 08:11 | comradekingu | documentation provided CC, links to https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/
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| 08:28 | comradekingu | i think https://www.apertus.org/node/348/revisions/2903/view looks presentable now, thoughts?
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| 10:14 | Bertl | morning folks!
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| 10:20 | philippej | morning !
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| 10:23 | philippej | How was your trip Bertl ?
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| 10:46 | Bertl | very nice, we have to make an article about it but I'm still busy getting a test PCB for the Beta finished
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| 10:46 | Bertl | (it will be produced in the next days, we got a free slot :)
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| 10:58 | philippej | great news!
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| 11:34 | __anton__ | Hi guys, so do you actually have the drafts for the bayonet part of nikon-f lens mount or do you still need them?
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| 11:35 | __anton__ | Suppose a sufficiently advanced shop without relevant experience was ready to help me. I would need to give them drafts right? Blueprints?
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| 11:39 | philippej | I don't think we have them
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| 11:46 | davidak | Bertl: i would like to see some photos from your trip in the article
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| 12:00 | se6astian | __anton__: what parts exactly would you like them to manufacture?
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| 12:00 | se6astian | what was their offer exactly?
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| 12:08 | Bertl | davidak: we will have some for sure
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| 12:24 | davidak | :)
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| 14:20 | lab-bot | sebastian created T153: sync layout from FAQs. http://lab.apertus.org/T153
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| 14:22 | lab-bot | sebastian created T154: move crowdfunding FAQ questions to AXIOM FAQ. http://lab.apertus.org/T154
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| 14:58 | Bertl | off for a nap ... bbl
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| 16:13 | troy_s | baldand_: GLFW version you using is?
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| 16:48 | lab-bot | philippej closed T67: Add markdown, insert, image resize filter and bueditor markdown support modules as "Resolved". http://lab.apertus.org/T67
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| 18:17 | Bertl | back now ...
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| 18:37 | Bertl | here is an image of the latest PCB, which is a test board for the Interface Board and the Sensor Board connections
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| 18:37 | Bertl | http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Stuff/AXIOM/BETA/axiom_beta_board_100_v0.7_test_all.png
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| 18:37 | Bertl | schematic will follow shortly, but it is basically a breakout/direct mapping
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| 22:27 | troy_s | Bertl: What are you doing the schematics up in?
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| 22:30 | Bertl | currently I'm still using Eagle, but I plan to switch to KiCad
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