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2018/11/12

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Bertl_oO
off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
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Bertl
morning folks!
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Bertl
off for now ... bbl
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16:58
se6astian
hi DanielCS!
16:58
DanielCS
Hello Sebastian!
16:59
se6astian
ready to start?
16:59
se6astian
I see you have been here already for a bit...
17:00
DanielCS
I'm good to go. Figured I'd get here early and setup HexChat.
17:00
DanielCS
Regarding OnShape, Is there an Apertus login?
17:01
se6astian
great
17:01
se6astian
no, you need to create an account for you personally
17:01
Spirit532
oh dear
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Spirit532
are you guys using onshape?
17:02
se6astian
I am using onshape yes
17:02
se6astian
whats the concern?
17:02
DanielCS
Ah, signup was asking me about requesting a company trial, so I wondered if there was a project account.
17:03
se6astian
its free for open source projects
17:03
se6astian
they don't tell you that in an obvious way anymore now though
17:04
se6astian
ha I see now that they are showcasing us on their frontpage...
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se6astian
next to some other guys statement...
17:05
DanielCS
I saw that...
17:06
DanielCS
Alright, signed up and loading in.
17:06
se6astian
great
17:06
se6astian
https://cloud.gerade.org/index.php/s/zotk65oXXGG64U2#//onshape-beta.jpg
17:08
DanielCS
Alright, I have it as view only. Shall I make a copy?
17:08
se6astian
yes please
17:08
se6astian
that way you can tinker with it and play around onshape without altering the original in any way
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BAndiT1983|away
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17:11
se6astian
the assembly is complex and has a deep hierarchy
17:11
se6astian
so it might not be the best to get to know onshape...
17:11
se6astian
but its the current state of enclosure design
17:12
DanielCS
Very cool
17:12
DanielCS
I've copied now.
17:12
se6astian
great
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se6astian
so looking at https://wiki.apertus.org/index.php/AXIOM_Beta/Enclosures#AXIOM_Beta_Compact_Enclosure
17:13
DanielCS
I see in Wiki it says:
17:13
se6astian
there is one open todo thats being addressed already: Air Filter related decisions at top and bottom - separate evaluation/measurement device design finished
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se6astian
and one thats still open: Where to place image sensor plane knob and label
17:13
DanielCS
That's the one
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se6astian
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-tjHpVMrsDeg/UoynJpZzuvI/AAAAAAAAIc4/zmzMtUyCdUc/s1600/focal-plane-mark-on-the-camera-body.jpg
17:13
DanielCS
So Wiki is updated regularly throughout the project?
17:13
se6astian
a knob to attach a measurement tape would be cool as well
17:14
se6astian
DanielCS: So Wiki is updated regularly throughout the project? <- well we try to
17:14
se6astian
but its an uphill battle
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se6astian
but anyone can sign up on the wiki and make an improvement if desired
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DanielCS
Is that the primary roadmap to see the "master view" of all the different areas?
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17:15
se6astian
there is: https://www.apertus.org/axiom-beta-status
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se6astian
its not as up to date as I would like it to be
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se6astian
but it provides a general overview
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se6astian
you can click any item to get more info
17:17
DanielCS
Oh that's what I've been looking for! Hadn't found that page before, thank you.
17:17
DanielCS
Also, I love the idea of a tape measure knob in line with sensor plane.
17:17
se6astian
great, then this shall be your first task :)
17:18
se6astian
firstly I am not 100% sure if the knob is supposed to be exactly at 0mm sensor distance or if the tape starts after the ring that attaches to the knob
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se6astian
do you happen to own a focus puller measurement tape?
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se6astian
if not google image search might do the trick
17:19
DanielCS
Fantastic. I use a typical measuring tape, but I can do some research into knob placement.
17:20
se6astian
looking for pictures of the start of such tape
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se6astian
or how other cameras place the knob
17:20
DanielCS
Is the sensor mark to be modeled into the body or applied as a texture?
17:21
se6astian
I would print it as label on the surface
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se6astian
google "pad printing" if you are interested in the process
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DanielCS
Alright.
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se6astian
beside that feel free to critically question everything in the onshape model
17:24
DanielCS
And it's okay for me to edit the body to create a new threading for the tape measure knob?
17:24
se6astian
there are still many things that are not solved in a good/perfect way
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se6astian
maybe even problems hidden that need to be discovered
17:24
se6astian
its your copy, do whatever you want with it :)
17:24
DanielCS
Great!
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se6astian
its good practice to name features/drawings/steps though otherwise it gets really hard to maintain overview
17:25
se6astian
I tried to do it recently but not in the beginning so the model is half of a mess now :)
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se6astian
if anything is unclear or if you have questions let me know immediately
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se6astian
if you just started with onshape and this complex assembly I expect you to be lost and overwhelmed to some degree :P
17:27
DanielCS
That makes sense. I will let you know, and this is a great way to jump in. I see the HDMI ports on the rear. Yesterday on IRC I read a SATA board was planned for development.
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se6astian
yes
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se6astian
one thing that we did not design/think about yet is how to design plugin module enclosures if the plugin module is longer than the main body
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se6astian
the HDMI module for example is rather short so it is enclosed within the main body essentially
17:28
DanielCS
I see.
17:28
se6astian
but the SDI module is much bigger: https://wiki.apertus.org/index.php/SDI_Plugin_Module
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se6astian
so it will stick out at the end
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se6astian
so we need a part (or maybe several metal parts) that enclosue the sdi plugin module
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se6astian
are you in general familiar with the process of CNC milling?
17:29
DanielCS
So the SDI board will utilize both plugin ports? (you called them something in reference to arduino?)
17:30
DanielCS
I'm familiar, but it's not something I've mapped out with Fusion 360 before.
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DanielCS
Do you have plans for the milling process set in onshape?
17:31
se6astian
right, well as long as you keep in mind how a drill/mill head can shape the parts thats fine
17:31
se6astian
like no sharp corner cut outs, etc.
17:31
se6astian
CAM is not done with onshape no, I know fusion360 can do it though
17:32
DanielCS
Of course. Are there any minimums I need to keep in mind as far as angles, etc.?
17:32
se6astian
I would not go below 1mm radius for cut outs
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se6astian
the more the better
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DanielCS
Good to know.
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se6astian
about the focus knob, it might be better to put the knob on the AXIOM Beta shell (I suspect there wont be any space on the compact enclosure itself: https://www.cinema5d.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/*email address removed*
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DanielCS
Ah, I see. Yes, that would make the most sense.
17:34
se6astian
but maybe you but again finding a good spot is not trivial
17:35
se6astian
at the top it might get in the way of attaching a handle
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se6astian
on the sides it might get in the way of connected cables, etc
17:35
DanielCS
Lots to consider.
17:35
se6astian
so be creative :D
17:35
DanielCS
Certainly!
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se6astian
right, thats it from my side I think
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se6astian
any questions or anything you wanna share/tell?
17:37
DanielCS
About the general design, what is the limit to the data that can be transferred over both plugin ports at once? Interested for modularity and what you were saying about the SDI board.
17:38
se6astian
each plugin module slot has a standard throughout of ~6Gbit/s
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se6astian
so 12 Gbit/s with two slots
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se6astian
depending on signal quality we might be able to increase frequency a bit higher though
17:39
DanielCS
Good to know!
17:39
se6astian
up to 9 Gbit/s per slot might be possible
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se6astian
18Gbit/s total
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se6astian
Bertl_oO: can share more in this regard
17:41
DanielCS
This has been really informative! My last question for now is from the email thread, I'm interested to know your personal vision for Axiom Beta in terms of adoption and use.
17:42
se6astian
well in the long term this: https://www.apertus.org/sites/default/files/betaiii-sideview-toprec-02.jpg
17:45
DanielCS
Good deal!
17:45
se6astian
and in terms of adoption I would like to see us as the number one choice for people who are interested in using their camera for more things than just taking it out of the bag and pressing the record button in the future, people who shoot with magiclantern but not on a canon camera anymore :)
17:45
DanielCS
Thanks a lot, I'll dive into this.
17:45
DanielCS
I like that for sure.
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se6astian
does that cover your question?
17:48
DanielCS
It does. Thank you!
17:48
se6astian
great
17:49
se6astian
then lets continue via email for now if you need anything or have something to show and we can at any time schedule another chat meeting if required
17:49
se6astian
you are welcome to also just hang around here on irc and observe/discuss of course
17:49
se6astian
we have public channel logs that anyone can read up on: http://irc.apertus.org/
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se6astian
so you dont need to idle here if you just want to read whats happening
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se6astian
but if you want to say something you have to be here :)
17:50
DanielCS
Sounds good to me. Thanks for getting me set up here! And yes, those logs are really helpful!
17:50
se6astian
great, you are welcome!
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se6astian
now into the batcave to create amazing things :)
17:51
DanielCS
Wonderful! :)
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se6astian
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se6astian
good night
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