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| 09:51 | Bertl | morning folks!
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| 16:58 | se6astian | hi DanielCS!
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| 16:58 | DanielCS | Hello Sebastian!
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| 16:59 | se6astian | ready to start?
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| 16:59 | se6astian | I see you have been here already for a bit...
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| 17:00 | DanielCS | I'm good to go. Figured I'd get here early and setup HexChat.
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| 17:00 | DanielCS | Regarding OnShape, Is there an Apertus login?
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| 17:01 | se6astian | great
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| 17:01 | se6astian | no, you need to create an account for you personally
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| 17:01 | Spirit532 | oh dear
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| 17:01 | Spirit532 | are you guys using onshape?
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| 17:02 | se6astian | I am using onshape yes
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| 17:02 | se6astian | whats the concern?
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| 17:02 | DanielCS | Ah, signup was asking me about requesting a company trial, so I wondered if there was a project account.
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| 17:03 | se6astian | its free for open source projects
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| 17:03 | se6astian | they don't tell you that in an obvious way anymore now though
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| 17:04 | se6astian | ha I see now that they are showcasing us on their frontpage...
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| 17:05 | se6astian | next to some other guys statement...
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| 17:05 | DanielCS | I saw that...
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| 17:06 | DanielCS | Alright, signed up and loading in.
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| 17:06 | se6astian | great
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| 17:06 | se6astian | https://cloud.gerade.org/index.php/s/zotk65oXXGG64U2#//onshape-beta.jpg
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| 17:08 | DanielCS | Alright, I have it as view only. Shall I make a copy?
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| 17:08 | se6astian | yes please
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| 17:08 | se6astian | that way you can tinker with it and play around onshape without altering the original in any way
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| 17:11 | se6astian | the assembly is complex and has a deep hierarchy
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| 17:11 | se6astian | so it might not be the best to get to know onshape...
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| 17:11 | se6astian | but its the current state of enclosure design
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| 17:12 | DanielCS | Very cool
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| 17:12 | DanielCS | I've copied now.
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| 17:12 | se6astian | great
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| 17:12 | se6astian | so looking at https://wiki.apertus.org/index.php/AXIOM_Beta/Enclosures#AXIOM_Beta_Compact_Enclosure
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| 17:13 | DanielCS | I see in Wiki it says:
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| 17:13 | se6astian | there is one open todo thats being addressed already: Air Filter related decisions at top and bottom - separate evaluation/measurement device design finished
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| 17:13 | se6astian | and one thats still open: Where to place image sensor plane knob and label
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| 17:13 | DanielCS | That's the one
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| 17:13 | se6astian | http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-tjHpVMrsDeg/UoynJpZzuvI/AAAAAAAAIc4/zmzMtUyCdUc/s1600/focal-plane-mark-on-the-camera-body.jpg
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| 17:13 | DanielCS | So Wiki is updated regularly throughout the project?
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| 17:13 | se6astian | a knob to attach a measurement tape would be cool as well
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| 17:14 | se6astian | DanielCS: So Wiki is updated regularly throughout the project? <- well we try to
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| 17:14 | se6astian | but its an uphill battle
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| 17:14 | se6astian | but anyone can sign up on the wiki and make an improvement if desired
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| 17:15 | DanielCS | Is that the primary roadmap to see the "master view" of all the different areas?
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| 17:15 | se6astian | there is: https://www.apertus.org/axiom-beta-status
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| 17:16 | se6astian | its not as up to date as I would like it to be
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| 17:16 | se6astian | but it provides a general overview
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| 17:16 | se6astian | you can click any item to get more info
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| 17:17 | DanielCS | Oh that's what I've been looking for! Hadn't found that page before, thank you.
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| 17:17 | DanielCS | Also, I love the idea of a tape measure knob in line with sensor plane.
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| 17:17 | se6astian | great, then this shall be your first task :)
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| 17:18 | se6astian | firstly I am not 100% sure if the knob is supposed to be exactly at 0mm sensor distance or if the tape starts after the ring that attaches to the knob
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| 17:18 | se6astian | do you happen to own a focus puller measurement tape?
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| 17:19 | se6astian | if not google image search might do the trick
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| 17:19 | DanielCS | Fantastic. I use a typical measuring tape, but I can do some research into knob placement.
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| 17:20 | se6astian | looking for pictures of the start of such tape
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| 17:20 | se6astian | or how other cameras place the knob
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| 17:20 | DanielCS | Is the sensor mark to be modeled into the body or applied as a texture?
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| 17:21 | se6astian | I would print it as label on the surface
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| 17:21 | se6astian | google "pad printing" if you are interested in the process
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| 17:23 | DanielCS | Alright.
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| 17:24 | se6astian | beside that feel free to critically question everything in the onshape model
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| 17:24 | DanielCS | And it's okay for me to edit the body to create a new threading for the tape measure knob?
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| 17:24 | se6astian | there are still many things that are not solved in a good/perfect way
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| 17:24 | se6astian | maybe even problems hidden that need to be discovered
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| 17:24 | se6astian | its your copy, do whatever you want with it :)
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| 17:24 | DanielCS | Great!
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| 17:25 | se6astian | its good practice to name features/drawings/steps though otherwise it gets really hard to maintain overview
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| 17:25 | se6astian | I tried to do it recently but not in the beginning so the model is half of a mess now :)
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| 17:26 | se6astian | if anything is unclear or if you have questions let me know immediately
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| 17:26 | se6astian | if you just started with onshape and this complex assembly I expect you to be lost and overwhelmed to some degree :P
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| 17:27 | DanielCS | That makes sense. I will let you know, and this is a great way to jump in. I see the HDMI ports on the rear. Yesterday on IRC I read a SATA board was planned for development.
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| 17:27 | se6astian | yes
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| 17:28 | se6astian | one thing that we did not design/think about yet is how to design plugin module enclosures if the plugin module is longer than the main body
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| 17:28 | se6astian | the HDMI module for example is rather short so it is enclosed within the main body essentially
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| 17:28 | DanielCS | I see.
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| 17:28 | se6astian | but the SDI module is much bigger: https://wiki.apertus.org/index.php/SDI_Plugin_Module
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| 17:28 | se6astian | so it will stick out at the end
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| 17:29 | se6astian | so we need a part (or maybe several metal parts) that enclosue the sdi plugin module
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| 17:29 | se6astian | are you in general familiar with the process of CNC milling?
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| 17:29 | DanielCS | So the SDI board will utilize both plugin ports? (you called them something in reference to arduino?)
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| 17:30 | DanielCS | I'm familiar, but it's not something I've mapped out with Fusion 360 before.
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| 17:31 | DanielCS | Do you have plans for the milling process set in onshape?
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| 17:31 | se6astian | right, well as long as you keep in mind how a drill/mill head can shape the parts thats fine
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| 17:31 | se6astian | like no sharp corner cut outs, etc.
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| 17:31 | se6astian | CAM is not done with onshape no, I know fusion360 can do it though
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| 17:32 | DanielCS | Of course. Are there any minimums I need to keep in mind as far as angles, etc.?
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| 17:32 | se6astian | I would not go below 1mm radius for cut outs
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| 17:32 | se6astian | the more the better
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| 17:33 | DanielCS | Good to know.
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| 17:33 | se6astian | about the focus knob, it might be better to put the knob on the AXIOM Beta shell (I suspect there wont be any space on the compact enclosure itself: https://www.cinema5d.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/*email address removed*
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| 17:34 | DanielCS | Ah, I see. Yes, that would make the most sense.
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| 17:34 | se6astian | but maybe you but again finding a good spot is not trivial
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| 17:35 | se6astian | at the top it might get in the way of attaching a handle
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| 17:35 | se6astian | on the sides it might get in the way of connected cables, etc
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| 17:35 | DanielCS | Lots to consider.
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| 17:35 | se6astian | so be creative :D
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| 17:35 | DanielCS | Certainly!
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| 17:37 | se6astian | right, thats it from my side I think
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| 17:37 | se6astian | any questions or anything you wanna share/tell?
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| 17:37 | DanielCS | About the general design, what is the limit to the data that can be transferred over both plugin ports at once? Interested for modularity and what you were saying about the SDI board.
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| 17:38 | se6astian | each plugin module slot has a standard throughout of ~6Gbit/s
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| 17:38 | se6astian | so 12 Gbit/s with two slots
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| 17:39 | se6astian | depending on signal quality we might be able to increase frequency a bit higher though
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| 17:39 | DanielCS | Good to know!
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| 17:39 | se6astian | up to 9 Gbit/s per slot might be possible
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| 17:39 | se6astian | 18Gbit/s total
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| 17:39 | se6astian | Bertl_oO: can share more in this regard
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| 17:41 | DanielCS | This has been really informative! My last question for now is from the email thread, I'm interested to know your personal vision for Axiom Beta in terms of adoption and use.
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| 17:42 | se6astian | well in the long term this: https://www.apertus.org/sites/default/files/betaiii-sideview-toprec-02.jpg
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| 17:45 | DanielCS | Good deal!
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| 17:45 | se6astian | and in terms of adoption I would like to see us as the number one choice for people who are interested in using their camera for more things than just taking it out of the bag and pressing the record button in the future, people who shoot with magiclantern but not on a canon camera anymore :)
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| 17:45 | DanielCS | Thanks a lot, I'll dive into this.
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| 17:45 | DanielCS | I like that for sure.
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| 17:47 | se6astian | does that cover your question?
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| 17:48 | DanielCS | It does. Thank you!
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| 17:48 | se6astian | great
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| 17:49 | se6astian | then lets continue via email for now if you need anything or have something to show and we can at any time schedule another chat meeting if required
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| 17:49 | se6astian | you are welcome to also just hang around here on irc and observe/discuss of course
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| 17:49 | se6astian | we have public channel logs that anyone can read up on: http://irc.apertus.org/
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| 17:50 | se6astian | so you dont need to idle here if you just want to read whats happening
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| 17:50 | se6astian | but if you want to say something you have to be here :)
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| 17:50 | DanielCS | Sounds good to me. Thanks for getting me set up here! And yes, those logs are really helpful!
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| 17:50 | se6astian | great, you are welcome!
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| 17:51 | se6astian | now into the batcave to create amazing things :)
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| 17:51 | DanielCS | Wonderful! :)
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| 21:45 | se6astian | good night
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