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2014/11/12

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Bertl
off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
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comradekingu
https://wiki.apertus.org/images/6/66/20140916091611-axiom-beta-size01.png is it possible to get the same unbrako screws on the lens mount too? ideally there should be one tool for all screws, slotted into the camera somewhere
05:21
comradekingu
atleast thats a pleasant thought. I agree hexnuts is pretty, but if it could be done down to the pcb level i think phillips all over might be something to consider
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comradekingu
that being said, i think its too easy to strip phillips screws with a supplied tool, since you wont get enough momentum on a short screwdriver
05:24
comradekingu
torq might be something that ticks all boxen. with hex there is a difference between metric and imperial that some people arent aware of, which leads to possible stripping, not so with torx
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Topic
apertus° - open source cinema | www.apertus.org | Currently Hot: AXIOM Beta Crowd Funding is Live: http://igg.me/at/axiom-beta | IRC Logs available at: http://irc.apertus.org
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comradekingu
Where can i upload transperent versions of the logos in https://axiom.apertus.org/index.php?site=donate they look bad when shown in iframe here https://apertus.org/sponsors
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PhilCee
good morning folks.. hope you had a nice one yet..
08:38
PhilCee
followed the irc logs the last weeks, and even if i agree with troy about need of a standard distance from cam base to the lens mount
08:40
PhilCee
i do not about size of the beta - if i want a standard eng cam hooked on my shoulder i'd wait for the gamma -- or get myself an bmc ursa if i dont care the semi closed concept..
08:41
comradekingu
So you want small and troy wants something bigger?
08:41
PhilCee
but to shoot on the same sensor with a min. size will be one of the standalone arguments for our beta - image a 4k 60p (if not one day 180p
08:42
PhilCee
i like the size as hidden cam on dokumentations..
08:43
PhilCee
and can easily let it grow by rigging it with a shoulder pad and an idx battery block on rails
08:43
comradekingu
its a little bit hard to make the hidden argument, and bigger is not due to heft i imagine
08:44
comradekingu
But the current "photo" style body does look very sweet for what it is
08:45
PhilCee
to any real journalist it wont comrade, right now thats a quality you can not buy at this size..
08:46
comradekingu
not sure i follow, i see how the photo style body puts it in many more use-cases, i agree that is the best one
08:46
comradekingu
what is the other option?
08:47
comradekingu
https://wiki.apertus.org/images/6/66/20140916091611-axiom-beta-size01.png looks very good, apart from the top mounted fan
08:48
PhilCee
troy is right, for comfortable cinematic work, or ENG-Shoulder-Shootings, it can have a different form factor, but you will archive this easily with rig - troy talked a lot about the usability - thats true about measurements, but to me: not about size
08:49
PhilCee
and ye, hell yeah, i allready fell in love to the tiny case ;)
08:49
PhilCee
*yes
08:50
comradekingu
the only alternative case i saw was proposed as just that, not as a replacement for the standard
08:51
comradekingu
I think the main issue is inbuilt rails, but cant you have those on the rig? Are they too far away from the sensor then?
08:53
comradekingu
philippej: blue text on top of https://axiom.apertus.org/index.php?site=donate outdated
08:53
PhilCee
dont let us build them in, there is no need for - just let us find the right distance for the base, then ill easily mount it on a railed rig
08:54
comradekingu
maybe thats what the rod topic on the wiki was about
08:54
comradekingu
are they called rods?
08:54
PhilCee
yeah..
08:57
PhilCee
till today while on investigative work, you almost allways loose picture quality if you have to shoot undercover - or rip off your budget (or go on gopro 4 fisheye - not allways a choice).. to bridge that with the beta would be a nice side benefit
08:59
comradekingu
moved rods to design hardware, im doing a new initiative for getting a overview on the wiki https://wiki.apertus.org/index.php?title=NewMain_Page
08:59
PhilCee
i saw comrade, nice work you're doing
09:00
comradekingu
PhilCee: yes, and a axiom beta would be better even if both were gopro size, so it is a stride into better territory, albeit not a perfect fit
09:01
lab-bot
philippej created T150: Research ways to make connectors more robust and avoid pcb issues. http://lab.apertus.org/T150
09:01
PhilCee
thats it comrade, lets try not to loose it ;)
09:02
comradekingu
PhilCee: i made https://www.apertus.org/home-wip too, if you have access you can see the latest revision, what do you think?
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comradekingu
how about calling the hardware category projects, the put opencine at the bottom there
09:06
PhilCee
to me its great king - allready loved it on first sight, describes exactly what makes apertus different ;) beside the size .. ;p
09:08
comradekingu
the home-wip? The images arent very high-fi yet, thats something to fix
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PhilCee
no, not the picture size, tried to joke about my point about betas enclosure size ;)
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PhilCee
irony is hard on irc ;)
09:15
comradekingu
aaaaah. The site is meant to represent the whole apertus community, so hopefully more eyeballs can agree on it before it is launched
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comradekingu
it would be tragic if someone felt mis-represented, so i made my best effort from my point of view
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comradekingu
which is also that of a semi-outsider, and i dont know all there is to know about cameras, but i hope that works in my favour, because the site can be understood by the un-initiated too
09:18
PhilCee
we'll see, but i dont think so. as mentioned i had a review of the logs here, and it describes pretty exact what if read by all contributors here, i think.
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PhilCee
* i've read
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PhilCee
damn, did'nt use my english for a while..
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PhilCee
so guys, thanks for listening, i'am off for work. cu!
09:23
comradekingu
laters :)
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Bertl
morning folks!
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Bertl
welcome cfelton!
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philippej
hello !
17:10
troy_s
comradekingu: Sad to see folks misinterpreting the logs somewhat.
17:12
troy_s
Bottom line is that the design of the camera housing has much more to do with ecosystem / participant than it does about the perception of existing on an island. In truth, a camera is actually a _small_ portion of shooting.
17:13
troy_s
Ultimatley though, it comes down to a design vision anchored on a very specific audience.
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philippej
Might be a good idea to write down a proposal somewhere, troy_s ? From experience, drafts are often (always?) the base for further works
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troy_s
Not really a proposal. At all.
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troy_s
Otherwise I would bother.
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comradekingu
i think everyone is on the same page now
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comradekingu
Must sleep now, goodnight all
17:27
troy_s
It's tricky stuff.
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troy_s
Night.
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philippej
reread the logs
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philippej
I think we are not talking about the same thing, please disregard my last comment :-)
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troy_s
LOL
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troy_s
What were you talking about (or conversely what did you think I was?)
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philippej
basically, enclosure and camera size
17:33
troy_s
yes. That's what we were talking about.
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philippej
haha :-)
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philippej
we curently probably lack tools that confirm we are on the same page
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philippej
that, or we have too many tools
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troy_s
Mental linking.
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troy_s
Yes.
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troy_s
I'm often a believer of the latter.
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troy_s
:)
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troy_s
As you probably know.
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philippej
:-)
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troy_s
(Sort of a proponent of "use Foo until you have outgrown it in measurable and quantifiable ways")
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troy_s
Phabricator is great for example, but now we have the wonderful lack of synchronicity with the Wiki
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troy_s
and the typical Wiki-itus of "Hello. Dump crap here."
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philippej
I wanted to push the use of phabricator built in wiki, but will people accept it ...
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troy_s
Which is sort of a strange, disordered, garbage-dump of random thoughts.
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philippej
if we'd use the phabricator wiki, it would be synced to each project (and tasks, and people and mocks and files)
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philippej
but one thing at a time
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troy_s
Oh.
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troy_s
Didn't know that.
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troy_s
That's interesting.
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philippej
where you just type Txx to link to tasks
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troy_s
That's like Fxxx?
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troy_s
Txxx is the task things. Fxxx is the file things.
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troy_s
Is there a Wxxx?
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philippej
you can at leastl ink to pages using wiki syntax [[page_name]]
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philippej
W is for workboards
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troy_s
WTF is a workboard?
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philippej
It's a way to organize tasks in a project. Here is an example : http://lab.apertus.org/project/board/4/
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troy_s
philippej: So it's a bundle of tasks (and files?)
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philippej
I guess, we just tried it lightly
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philippej
They are working on a roadmap application : https://secure.phabricator.com/T6513
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troy_s
The bundling is quite slick.
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troy_s
Soooooo confused about trigger port.
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troy_s
Makes zero sense to me.
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philippej
I guess it's just a proposal ?
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troy_s
Dunno.
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troy_s
It's listed there.
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troy_s
Hard to know what is implemented / considered and what is crap thrown at wall from behind bars.
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troy_s
I see priorities I guess.
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philippej
wishlist
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troy_s
Wish those had those nice colored tag look
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troy_s
Easier to spot.
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philippej
you can ask for it on their own phabricator install, they really listen
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se6astian
actually they have those nice colored tags already
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se6astian
wishlist is blue
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se6astian
the "warmer" the color gets the higher the priority scale
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se6astian
blue, yellow, orange, red
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philippej
lab updated to latest version, db updated as well. Let me know if anything is broken
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se6astian
thanks
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se6astian
posted indiegogo update about vouchers
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lab-bot
daFred closed T94: Research Metal plate bending methods/cost for AXIOM Beta enclosure. as "Resolved". http://lab.apertus.org/T94
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se6astian
time for bed
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se6astian
night night
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davidak1
good night
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