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| 05:20 | comradekingu | https://wiki.apertus.org/images/6/66/20140916091611-axiom-beta-size01.png is it possible to get the same unbrako screws on the lens mount too? ideally there should be one tool for all screws, slotted into the camera somewhere
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| 05:21 | comradekingu | atleast thats a pleasant thought. I agree hexnuts is pretty, but if it could be done down to the pcb level i think phillips all over might be something to consider
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| 05:22 | comradekingu | that being said, i think its too easy to strip phillips screws with a supplied tool, since you wont get enough momentum on a short screwdriver
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| 05:24 | comradekingu | torq might be something that ticks all boxen. with hex there is a difference between metric and imperial that some people arent aware of, which leads to possible stripping, not so with torx
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| 06:36 | Topic | apertus° - open source cinema | www.apertus.org | Currently Hot: AXIOM Beta Crowd Funding is Live: http://igg.me/at/axiom-beta | IRC Logs available at: http://irc.apertus.org
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| 07:47 | comradekingu | Where can i upload transperent versions of the logos in https://axiom.apertus.org/index.php?site=donate they look bad when shown in iframe here https://apertus.org/sponsors
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| 08:36 | PhilCee | good morning folks.. hope you had a nice one yet..
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| 08:38 | PhilCee | followed the irc logs the last weeks, and even if i agree with troy about need of a standard distance from cam base to the lens mount
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| 08:40 | PhilCee | i do not about size of the beta - if i want a standard eng cam hooked on my shoulder i'd wait for the gamma -- or get myself an bmc ursa if i dont care the semi closed concept..
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| 08:41 | comradekingu | So you want small and troy wants something bigger?
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| 08:41 | PhilCee | but to shoot on the same sensor with a min. size will be one of the standalone arguments for our beta - image a 4k 60p (if not one day 180p
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| 08:42 | PhilCee | i like the size as hidden cam on dokumentations..
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| 08:43 | PhilCee | and can easily let it grow by rigging it with a shoulder pad and an idx battery block on rails
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| 08:43 | comradekingu | its a little bit hard to make the hidden argument, and bigger is not due to heft i imagine
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| 08:44 | comradekingu | But the current "photo" style body does look very sweet for what it is
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| 08:45 | PhilCee | to any real journalist it wont comrade, right now thats a quality you can not buy at this size..
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| 08:46 | comradekingu | not sure i follow, i see how the photo style body puts it in many more use-cases, i agree that is the best one
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| 08:46 | comradekingu | what is the other option?
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| 08:47 | comradekingu | https://wiki.apertus.org/images/6/66/20140916091611-axiom-beta-size01.png looks very good, apart from the top mounted fan
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| 08:48 | PhilCee | troy is right, for comfortable cinematic work, or ENG-Shoulder-Shootings, it can have a different form factor, but you will archive this easily with rig - troy talked a lot about the usability - thats true about measurements, but to me: not about size
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| 08:49 | PhilCee | and ye, hell yeah, i allready fell in love to the tiny case ;)
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| 08:49 | PhilCee | *yes
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| 08:50 | comradekingu | the only alternative case i saw was proposed as just that, not as a replacement for the standard
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| 08:51 | comradekingu | I think the main issue is inbuilt rails, but cant you have those on the rig? Are they too far away from the sensor then?
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| 08:53 | comradekingu | philippej: blue text on top of https://axiom.apertus.org/index.php?site=donate outdated
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| 08:53 | PhilCee | dont let us build them in, there is no need for - just let us find the right distance for the base, then ill easily mount it on a railed rig
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| 08:54 | comradekingu | maybe thats what the rod topic on the wiki was about
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| 08:54 | comradekingu | are they called rods?
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| 08:54 | PhilCee | yeah..
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| 08:57 | PhilCee | till today while on investigative work, you almost allways loose picture quality if you have to shoot undercover - or rip off your budget (or go on gopro 4 fisheye - not allways a choice).. to bridge that with the beta would be a nice side benefit
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| 08:59 | comradekingu | moved rods to design hardware, im doing a new initiative for getting a overview on the wiki https://wiki.apertus.org/index.php?title=NewMain_Page
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| 08:59 | PhilCee | i saw comrade, nice work you're doing
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| 09:00 | comradekingu | PhilCee: yes, and a axiom beta would be better even if both were gopro size, so it is a stride into better territory, albeit not a perfect fit
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| 09:01 | lab-bot | philippej created T150: Research ways to make connectors more robust and avoid pcb issues. http://lab.apertus.org/T150
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| 09:01 | PhilCee | thats it comrade, lets try not to loose it ;)
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| 09:02 | comradekingu | PhilCee: i made https://www.apertus.org/home-wip too, if you have access you can see the latest revision, what do you think?
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| 09:05 | comradekingu | how about calling the hardware category projects, the put opencine at the bottom there
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| 09:06 | PhilCee | to me its great king - allready loved it on first sight, describes exactly what makes apertus different ;) beside the size .. ;p
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| 09:08 | comradekingu | the home-wip? The images arent very high-fi yet, thats something to fix
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| 09:09 | PhilCee | no, not the picture size, tried to joke about my point about betas enclosure size ;)
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| 09:10 | PhilCee | irony is hard on irc ;)
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| 09:15 | comradekingu | aaaaah. The site is meant to represent the whole apertus community, so hopefully more eyeballs can agree on it before it is launched
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| 09:16 | comradekingu | it would be tragic if someone felt mis-represented, so i made my best effort from my point of view
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| 09:17 | comradekingu | which is also that of a semi-outsider, and i dont know all there is to know about cameras, but i hope that works in my favour, because the site can be understood by the un-initiated too
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| 09:18 | PhilCee | we'll see, but i dont think so. as mentioned i had a review of the logs here, and it describes pretty exact what if read by all contributors here, i think.
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| 09:19 | PhilCee | * i've read
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| 09:19 | PhilCee | damn, did'nt use my english for a while..
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| 09:22 | PhilCee | so guys, thanks for listening, i'am off for work. cu!
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| 09:23 | comradekingu | laters :)
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| 11:28 | Bertl | morning folks!
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| 17:04 | philippej | hello !
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| 17:10 | troy_s | comradekingu: Sad to see folks misinterpreting the logs somewhat.
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| 17:12 | troy_s | Bottom line is that the design of the camera housing has much more to do with ecosystem / participant than it does about the perception of existing on an island. In truth, a camera is actually a _small_ portion of shooting.
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| 17:13 | troy_s | Ultimatley though, it comes down to a design vision anchored on a very specific audience.
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| 17:25 | philippej | Might be a good idea to write down a proposal somewhere, troy_s ? From experience, drafts are often (always?) the base for further works
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| 17:26 | troy_s | Not really a proposal. At all.
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| 17:26 | troy_s | Otherwise I would bother.
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| 17:27 | comradekingu | i think everyone is on the same page now
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| 17:27 | comradekingu | Must sleep now, goodnight all
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| 17:27 | troy_s | It's tricky stuff.
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| 17:27 | troy_s | Night.
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| 17:27 | philippej | reread the logs
| | 17:31 | philippej | I think we are not talking about the same thing, please disregard my last comment :-)
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| 17:31 | troy_s | LOL
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| 17:32 | troy_s | What were you talking about (or conversely what did you think I was?)
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| 17:32 | philippej | basically, enclosure and camera size
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| 17:33 | troy_s | yes. That's what we were talking about.
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| 17:33 | philippej | haha :-)
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| 17:34 | philippej | we curently probably lack tools that confirm we are on the same page
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| 17:34 | philippej | that, or we have too many tools
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| 17:34 | troy_s | Mental linking.
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| 17:34 | troy_s | Yes.
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| 17:34 | troy_s | I'm often a believer of the latter.
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| 17:34 | troy_s | :)
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| 17:34 | troy_s | As you probably know.
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| 17:35 | philippej | :-)
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| 17:35 | troy_s | (Sort of a proponent of "use Foo until you have outgrown it in measurable and quantifiable ways")
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| 17:35 | troy_s | Phabricator is great for example, but now we have the wonderful lack of synchronicity with the Wiki
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| 17:35 | troy_s | and the typical Wiki-itus of "Hello. Dump crap here."
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| 17:36 | philippej | I wanted to push the use of phabricator built in wiki, but will people accept it ...
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| 17:36 | troy_s | Which is sort of a strange, disordered, garbage-dump of random thoughts.
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| 17:38 | philippej | if we'd use the phabricator wiki, it would be synced to each project (and tasks, and people and mocks and files)
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| 17:38 | philippej | but one thing at a time
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| 17:38 | troy_s | Oh.
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| 17:39 | troy_s | Didn't know that.
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| 17:39 | troy_s | That's interesting.
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| 17:40 | philippej | where you just type Txx to link to tasks
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| 17:40 | troy_s | That's like Fxxx?
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| 17:40 | troy_s | Txxx is the task things. Fxxx is the file things.
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| 17:40 | troy_s | Is there a Wxxx?
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| 17:41 | philippej | you can at leastl ink to pages using wiki syntax [[page_name]]
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| 17:41 | philippej | W is for workboards
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| 17:44 | troy_s | WTF is a workboard?
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| 17:44 | philippej | It's a way to organize tasks in a project. Here is an example : http://lab.apertus.org/project/board/4/
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| 17:55 | troy_s | philippej: So it's a bundle of tasks (and files?)
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| 17:56 | philippej | I guess, we just tried it lightly
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| 17:57 | philippej | They are working on a roadmap application : https://secure.phabricator.com/T6513
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| 17:57 | troy_s | The bundling is quite slick.
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| 17:59 | troy_s | Soooooo confused about trigger port.
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| 17:59 | troy_s | Makes zero sense to me.
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| 17:59 | philippej | I guess it's just a proposal ?
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| 17:59 | troy_s | Dunno.
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| 17:59 | troy_s | It's listed there.
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| 17:59 | troy_s | Hard to know what is implemented / considered and what is crap thrown at wall from behind bars.
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| 18:00 | troy_s | I see priorities I guess.
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| 18:00 | philippej | wishlist
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| 18:00 | troy_s | Wish those had those nice colored tag look
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| 18:00 | troy_s | Easier to spot.
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| 18:05 | philippej | you can ask for it on their own phabricator install, they really listen
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| 18:05 | se6astian | actually they have those nice colored tags already
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| 18:05 | se6astian | wishlist is blue
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| 18:05 | se6astian | the "warmer" the color gets the higher the priority scale
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| 18:06 | se6astian | blue, yellow, orange, red
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| 19:21 | philippej | lab updated to latest version, db updated as well. Let me know if anything is broken
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| 19:24 | se6astian | thanks
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| 19:25 | se6astian | posted indiegogo update about vouchers
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| 19:33 | lab-bot | daFred closed T94: Research Metal plate bending methods/cost for AXIOM Beta enclosure. as "Resolved". http://lab.apertus.org/T94
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| 20:30 | se6astian | time for bed
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| 20:30 | se6astian | night night
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