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2014/09/12

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aombk
the goal is uncompressed raw? or maybe compressed lossless or even lossy like other camera manufacturers?
02:47
Bertl
definitely unmodified raw data
02:48
Bertl
lossless compression is an option of course, but it doesn't help with the 'required' bandwidth in general
02:49
Bertl
i.e. with the best lossless compression you have to plan for the worst case, which is 0% gain
02:49
aombk
youre right
02:49
Bertl
of course, if you want to do lossy compression, you can do that as well, but that's not the main goal of the AXIOM
02:51
aombk
so you wont put any effort in there while you work on beta
02:52
Bertl
on lossy compression? unlikely, but there are codecs for this already available, both on the FPGA and the ARM level
02:52
Bertl
so if you feel like crunching down your data till it is unsuitable for post production, so be it :)
02:53
aombk
but will someone from the community be able to work on implementing a lossy codec for beta while you work on it? or will he have to wait for it to be out and then start working on it?
02:54
aombk
you got me there. i like my data heavily compressed
02:54
Bertl
you can start right now with the development if you like, just order a microzed or similar and off you go
02:54
aombk
its instant art! you wanna see an example?
02:54
Bertl
sure, hit me! :)
02:56
aombk
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/25456/art.avi
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aombk
only x264 produces such beautiful art in low bitrates
02:58
Bertl
welcome zealee!
02:58
zealee
Bertl: Hello there!
03:03
Bertl
if you have any questions (preferably AXIOM related :) please do not hesitate to ask
03:03
aombk
no comment for the video?
03:04
Bertl
yeah it is kind of what I expected
03:05
aombk
pfff
03:08
Bertl
maybe I'm just too hard to please :)
03:12
aombk
you know i already have requests from some people to rent them the beta once i get it
03:17
Bertl
sounds good ...
03:17
Bertl
okay, I'm off to bed ... have a good one everyone!
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Bertl
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04:37
troy_s
aombk: It is a tad misleading referring to the CMV12000 as a “cropped sensor”
04:39
troy_s
All terms such as “crop” are in reference to a standard. In motion picture terms, Super 35's 24mm width is the reference standard. Therefore, the 12000 is not cropped at all. That is, of course, unless you are a stills photographer used to shooting 35mm, or a seasoned VistaVision cinematographer.
04:56
intracube
troy_s: isn't 'crop factor' phrase used almost exclusively when comparing DSLR/still photography sensors?
04:58
intracube
I haven't seen it come up in cinematography conversations
04:59
intracube
maybe crop factor could be replaced by 'Full frame DSLR crop factor' or so
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05:25
aombk
intracube: yes thats a better phrasing
06:00
troy_s
aombk / intracube Agree. There are some folks that work professionally that even confuse the dimensions due to that metric. The language is not quite accurate for the “standard aesthetic” of motion pictures for certain.
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macbookprocmc
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09:56
mars_
over 40k!
09:58
seku
yeah, looks nice :)
10:05
philippej
Now we need to keep momentum, we'll work on this in the following days. Any ideas/help welcome! Curently, I'm preparing for IBC.
10:08
seku
i think it is nice to know that the sensor is plenty capable (300fps), and as this is an open platform, there will be continuous trying to unlock more and more potential
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Bertl_zZ
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11:16
Bertl
morning folks!
11:39
alexML
hi
11:44
alexML
some good hints about cmv12000, from somebody who tried this sensor: http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/archive/index.php/t-299568.html
11:45
alexML
looks like it has analog gain (up to 4x) which actually reduces noise (so the sensor is probably quite good in low light, better than the datasheet numbers)
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12:04
Bertl
yes, there are several analog gain options with the CMV12k, you can read about that and the HDR modes in the publicly available datasheet if you're interested
12:05
alexML
yes, I've already read the full datasheet
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Bertl
Samuel always talks about HDR mode related motion artefacts, is there an example image somewhere? (didn't see one)
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seku
*just read up on the irc log* most of us have seen Samuel's ideas on the sensor .... i'm really wondering what alex is going to come up with ... looking forward to see how analog gain works out :)
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14:03
aombk
troy_s and intracube dont like the crop factor phrasing. intracube suggested the use of "Full frame DSLR crop factor" phrasing to avoid confusion with purely cinema people
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aombk
i dont understand why many dslr and camera/cinema blogs out there dont mention axiom beta. but they talk about other corporate products. they report about iphone 6 but not for the beta. are they expecting to get paid to report news? so many of them?
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aombk
Bertl: are you there?
14:26
Bertl
I'm here ... and yes, I presume some sites get payed, others might not have heard about the AXIOM, still others might not consider open source/hardware something serious
15:01
seku
im still wondering about engadget, giz, or arstechnica :)
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15:01
seku
and eoshd maybe
15:07
aombk
yes eoshd has disappointed me
15:07
aombk
i have sent him 2 emails already about beta
15:11
FergusL
the campaign is going so well !
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seku
i wonder what will happen after ibc :)
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aombk
how many days is ibc
15:30
aombk
?
15:30
seku
seemingly till tuesday included
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15:39
aombk
i wonder will anyone get the 20000 perk?
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15:45
seku
if i had the spare cash, i would .... wallet wont permit tho
15:53
seku
alexML's ideas sure gets one's brain ticking tho. especially the stuff about stretching the HDR mode...
15:54
seku
i wonder if there'd be some way to "overexpose" shadows, and then dial them back later to their supposed range, making them cleaner... shadow ETTR xD
16:10
seku
ah well, one can always dream
16:20
intracube
seku: has there been any discussions about 'film flashers'?
16:20
intracube
I've been reading up about it recently and it looks like you evenly illuminate the sensor (or filmstock) while shooting to lift up the blacks
16:21
intracube
and you can also control exposure the usual way with lens aperture or regular ND filter
16:21
intracube
which I think means you can capture a much wider dynamic range of the original scene
16:22
intracube
sometimes filmstock is pre-flashed before shooting to get the same result
16:22
seku
i admit, i have never heard about those. not here, nowhere else. is that idea similar to backlit sensors?
16:22
seku
sounds intriguing
16:22
intracube
no, I don't think so
16:23
troy_s
Bertl: There are some R3D demos out there of HDRX.
16:23
seku
so its for biaising shadows into a region where the sensor might be more sensitive?
16:23
intracube
I'll see if I can find some more info about it
16:24
intracube
troy_s: do you know anything about this technique?
16:25
troy_s
intracube: Flashing?
16:25
seku
there's a minuscule article about it on wikipedia... seems to be an astronomy technique?
16:25
seku
pre-flashing?
16:26
intracube
troy_s: flashing/preflashing
16:26
troy_s
intracube: Did flashing back in school. Risky though; you botch a flash you botch not only all of your processing costs and stock, but also your shoot. :)
16:26
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16:26
intracube
in analogue filmstock world, yeah, but with digital....?
16:26
troy_s
intracube: it is purely additive. Washes your shadows. Was frequently done with a color to tint your shadows.
16:27
intracube
panavision make something called a panaflasher
16:27
troy_s
That is post flashing.
16:27
troy_s
Used them too.
16:27
intracube
http://vimeo.com/86530262
16:27
troy_s
Different effects.
16:28
troy_s
But really, the issue in all of this is shadow noise. If you offset all of the capture, you have only really added fill.
16:28
intracube
but thinking in voltages, flashing is like DC offset and regular exposure like gain, right?
16:28
intracube
so if you use a flasher to add offset and use filter to reduce gain
16:28
troy_s
The sensor is display referred.
16:28
intracube
don't you make the slope shallower?
16:28
troy_s
So just add fill. :)
16:28
troy_s
Then crunch back the TRC in post.
16:28
intracube
you mean fill lighting?
16:28
troy_s
Aka “learn how to shoot.”
16:28
troy_s
Yes.
16:29
intracube
but if that isn't possible, like shooting scenery
16:29
troy_s
This isn't a new phenomenon.
16:29
intracube
and fill is never going to be completely uniform
16:29
troy_s
And gaining the sensor noise is?
16:29
intracube
well, that is a downside. sensor noise/film grain will end up 'magnified'
16:30
troy_s
That is what ISO is; simply slides the latitude
16:30
intracube
but with todays low iso, low noise sensors
16:30
troy_s
ISO changed quite dramatically between digital and film
16:31
troy_s
But in the end, no point if you have the raw integer values. Convert to float, scale.
16:31
intracube
is going to experiment with this idea anyway :)
16:31
troy_s
Same difference I would strongly suspect. The sensor noise firing is what it is.
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16:31
intracube
I've got a variable ND filter which as a side-effect has a very diffuse/even scattering effect
16:31
troy_s
Variable ND meaning bi linear pola?
16:32
intracube
uh, not sure. it's a tiffen variable ND
16:32
troy_s
Two discs?
16:32
intracube
think so, yeah
16:32
troy_s
Yes. Bi-linear polas.
16:32
troy_s
Dial as they move toward 90°
16:33
troy_s
Many unfortunate side effects of using polas.
16:33
intracube
it seems to give an effect similar to flashing, lifting the blacks up
16:33
troy_s
They change the image.
16:33
intracube
at the same time you can reduce exposure
16:33
troy_s
They are quantum devices.
16:33
intracube
it seems like it enables me to capture higher DR than would otherwise be possible
16:33
intracube
will try a few tests to see if that's the case
16:34
troy_s
The base idea is always going to be a battle in display referred devices... No avoiding it.
16:34
troy_s
A) Latitude vs B) Granularity
16:34
troy_s
The sensor I recall can set two knee points (Herb knows better)
16:34
troy_s
So you could replicate a rather horrifically LERPd log curvr
16:35
seku
in those lines .... im really looking forward to seeing the HDR mode, with the "stairs-like exposure for highlights" ... to see how high could ETTR shadows.
16:35
troy_s
Where the higher stops are sloped differently. The net sum is that you are recording levels with larger gaps.
16:35
troy_s
HDR usually has temporal artifacting
16:36
seku
yesh, the idea being in adding motion-blur later
16:36
troy_s
And why R3*, in classic fashion, tried to spin lemons into lemon juice marketing.
16:36
troy_s
And optical flow will always leave artifacting or non-physics based artifacting.
16:36
troy_s
;)
16:37
troy_s
Hard to win this battle. Easier to simply adapt to limitations creatively... Aka... Just what film forced people to do.
16:37
troy_s
The adaptation to limitations is likely what evolved the entire diversity of aesthetics.
16:37
seku
iirc in one of the HDr modes, highlights get smaller exposure times, whereas shadow/mids get longer ones?
16:37
seku
are those the temporal artifacts you mean?
16:37
troy_s
I believe that is correct. Hence temporal strangeness.
16:38
seku
so a vector-motion analysis & recreated motion blur for highlights should do?
16:38
troy_s
Voltage or something that time stretches.
16:38
troy_s
Doubt it. Done a fair bit of OFlow stuffs.
16:38
troy_s
You actually get strange blurs with it.
16:38
aombk
have you seen red hdrx?
16:39
troy_s
Look on Vimeo or any other hipster site.
16:39
seku
i will have a look at them :)
16:40
aombk
i believe that red hdrx techniques is worse than hdr mode 1
16:41
intracube
troy_s: by b) granularity do you mean bitdepth?
16:41
aombk
but it doesnt produce so many temporal artifacts
16:42
troy_s
intracube: Yes. Larger steps trading off for higher latitude.
16:42
troy_s
aombk: The R3* uses two tracks IIRC.
16:43
troy_s
So you would have to do a merge.
16:43
troy_s
The issue will be the same: temporal anomalies.
16:45
troy_s
Only method I would speculate to leverage the additional information is an oflow based estimation for the HDR merging. Of course, many projects would find that useful beyond this niche.
16:46
troy_s
And IIRC the CMV pre-mixes, so all of this is mootified.
16:48
aombk
i dont see unpleasant anomalies here
16:48
aombk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZM5Fyw8iog
16:48
aombk
and i believe cmosis can do better
16:50
troy_s
Not the same. That is HDRx striped mode.
16:51
troy_s
Two images. Similar results though. Highlights are where things go into temporal weirdness.
17:02
seku
cya later, got to leave from work :)
17:02
seku
beer awaits
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17:20
designbybeck
Greetings all, and kudos on the indiegogo launch
17:24
Bertl
hello designbybeck!
17:26
designbybeck
hello Bertl, do you with the $350 on up, does that go towards the final beta purchase of $1900
17:26
Bertl
no, that is the contribution for the development
17:26
designbybeck
ok just checking
17:27
Bertl
but the final AXIOM Beta will be given to you at cost
17:27
Bertl
i.e. at the same cost we have for the parts, we will not get anything from that
17:27
designbybeck
And I shoot video/photos with my Canon 6D, does this mean I can use those lens with the AXIOM?
17:29
Bertl
any passive lens systems should be no big problem, and I'm pretty sure the more common ones will get support soon
17:29
Bertl
canon EF mount is planned very early, not sure what the Canon 6D uses
17:30
designbybeck
sadly I don't know much of the technical workings of the lenses and such
17:31
Bertl
I'd say it is probably written on the first few pages of the manual, but folks around here will know for sure
17:32
designbybeck
I've got this one which is EF: http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/products/cameras/ef_lens_lineup/ef_24_105mm_f_4l_is_usm
17:33
Bertl
well, if it matches the camera, then it will have an EF mount :)
17:33
Bertl
in any case, that one should match the EF lens mount planned for the AXIOM Beta
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se6astian|away
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17:39
se6astian
good evening from amsterdam :)
17:40
Bertl
evening se6astian!
17:42
aombk
ibc starts tomorrow or are you already there?
17:43
aombk
hi se6astian
17:55
se6astian
aombk: do you expect me to fly into the conference center by helicopter ? :)
17:56
aombk
what? you have not planned a spectacular entrance?
18:07
se6astian
I was more planning a jump through the glass roof into a pool actually....
18:18
Topic
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19:05
troy_s
Bertl: When fielding questions about EF mount Canon lenses, the part missing is control of the aperture. Canon lenses will physically work, but aperture control will be disabled. (As would auto focus etc.)
19:12
Bertl
who needs auto focus :)
19:12
Bertl
but yes, we know about the problems there
19:14
Bertl
I'm also very confident that we will be able to address the issue quite soon
19:35
designbybeck
troy_s, you can still manually zoom/focus with the rings at least?
19:36
Bertl
yes, the aperture might be a problem though
19:36
Juicyfruit
se6astian, are you around ?
19:37
Bertl
designbybeck: but as I said, I'm pretty confident we, or somebody else, will work around that pretty soon, it just hasen't been done yet so we can't promise anything there
19:37
designbybeck
I have the Sigma 1.4f 35mm as well....I've enjoyed using that on my Canon 6D for video
19:38
designbybeck
I'm just here for moral support and to cheer you guys on! :) I'm an Open Source Advocate and have promoted this project a good deal
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Imagemme
Hello, I was directed here by Herbert to discuss our branding services, namely packaging design.
19:52
Bertl
hello Imagemme!
19:52
Imagemme
Hello!
19:52
Bertl
welcome to our channel!
19:52
Imagemme
I'm not exactly sure how this platform works - is this a public forum?
19:52
Imagemme
Thank you.
19:53
Bertl
yes, this is a public channel and it is logged
19:53
Imagemme
Ok, well I'd love to discuss your company and any potential synergies in a more private setting. Would a Skype call be more convenient for you?
19:54
Bertl
this is an open source and open hardware community project, so there is no 'company'
19:54
Bertl
i.e. you are probably as 'private' as it will get right now :)
19:55
Imagemme
Hmm, well that is definitely a new scenario for us!
19:56
Imagemme
So here's my quick pitch (for you and all concerned parties)...
19:56
Imagemme
As I stated in my original email, we're a full service branding firm based in NYC. We work with a lot of startups like yourself, as well as established companies.
19:58
Imagemme
One of our methods for searching out potential new clients is going through the crowd sourcing websites and looking for interesting companies (or community projects) for which we think our services would be a good fit.
19:58
Bertl
that's how you found us, I take it?
19:58
Imagemme
I don't know how far along you are in your development, when you hope to be able to launch the camera, however if you're beginning to think about packaging for it, we'd love to send you a portfolio of our work.
19:59
Imagemme
Exactly, yes.
20:00
Bertl
okay, fair enough. At some point in Q1 2015 the Beta devices will be ready to ship and then it is probably a good point to talk about your portfolio
20:01
Bertl
s/good point/good time/
20:01
Imagemme
Sorry, I didn't understand that last message...
20:02
Bertl
which one? the s/.../ one?
20:02
Imagemme
Yes
20:03
Bertl
that basically means that I used the wrong wording
20:03
Bertl
and want to replace the /good point/ with /good time/
20:03
Imagemme
Ah, gotcha.
20:03
Bertl
this comes from a tool called 'sed' which is quite popular in unix
20:03
Imagemme
Did you have a launch date in mind?
20:04
Bertl
the campaign is for the development, and we plan to complete it in spring 2015
20:04
Imagemme
Understood.
20:04
Imagemme
Well, once again, it looks like a very exciting project, and I look forward to following its progress.
20:05
Imagemme
I'll be in touch around Q1 - and of course feel free to contact me at any point - you have my email. Good luck in your continued development!
20:05
Bertl
great! you know where to find us and you probably know the webpage and newletter as well (which is a good way to keep up-to-date)
20:05
Imagemme
Sounds good. All the best.
20:05
Bertl
same to you! cya!
20:06
Bertl
(that means see you :)
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derWalter
hello :)
22:03
derWalter
just finished reading the last two days of irc logs ^^
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derWalter
i just wanted to drop a note and attach a question to it :)
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22:04
Bertl
hello derWalter!
22:05
Bertl
let's hear ...
22:07
derWalter
well, i just read about the lens communication part
22:08
derWalter
and i wondered if there will be the necessary pins for controlling the aperture
22:08
derWalter
https://nikonhacker.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1437
22:08
derWalter
they/he managed to communicate with nikon lenses
22:09
derWalter
so... even if you dont implement the code needed for electronic aperture controll trough the axiom
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Bertl
you mean, if the AXIOM Beta will have I/O pins for controlling the lens or if the lens mount will have the electrical connections?
22:09
derWalter
would it be possible to attach the pins in the mount?
22:10
derWalter
well, my question is
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derWalter
would it be a lot of trouble to design an io interface, which allows to connect pins needed for lens communication to the mounts
22:11
derWalter
by saying io interface i mean a hardware socket for the intercangeable lens mounts
22:11
derWalter
so it is dead by standard, but can be brought to life as soon as someone writes the code for it
22:12
derWalter
so that somewhen the camera detects the attached mount, switches to the according lens protocoll and can communicate with attached lenses
22:12
derWalter
i am not talking about autofocus, or stabilisation, but aparture controll :)
22:12
Bertl
well, I think the protocol is probably already known for most lens systems, even when it might not be completely understood
22:13
derWalter
sorry, my english is not very punctuate at this time ^^
22:13
Bertl
the problem will be to build a lens mount which has the electrical connections and then to support the various electrical interfaces of different mounts
22:13
derWalter
mhhh
22:13
Bertl
the GPIO capabilities of the AXIOM Beta will be more than sufficient to control those interfaces
22:14
derWalter
i guess it would not be so hard to identify the attached lens mount on the axiom
22:14
derWalter
when you ve done this, you can switch to the right protocoll and electrical protocoll
22:14
Bertl
so it is more a question of, where do we get the pins and connectors, what voltages and currents do we need to control those lenses
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derWalter
mhhhhhhhh shuu,... that sounds like thats a few days research work to come to a desicion if its worth the trouble to get it in the beta even only on the hardwaresite already...
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Bertl
but what you could do if you really want to help there
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Bertl
is to create a wiki page which collects all the information about those lens systems
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Bertl
i.e. what you can and can't controll without electrical interface
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Bertl
how the electrical interface works (i.e. pins, voltages, currents)
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Bertl
and how the interface looks like (some images)
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derWalter
mhhh, say, there is so much good input in those chat logs, is there a structure or person who collects, evaluates and lists them?
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Bertl
not yet, but there is a log
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Bertl
so you can do that if you like :)
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derWalter
yeah, mhhh i could do that for the nikon mount i guess.
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derWalter
maybe someone elso could do the EF and PL mount?
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Bertl
maybe motive a few other folks interested in other systems and create the required info together then?
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Bertl
feel free to send a "call to arms" to the mailing list :)
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derWalter
maybe the ML guys know something about that? i know what i can do, i can talk to the guys on nikonhacker and get them into the job, providing the necessary information to the wiki
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derWalter
that sounds like a job a can do
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derWalter
right now i am in the situation that i try to quit jobs, to get some time for myself again and i struggle a lot to not get to involved into thoughts about the axiom all day long :D :D
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Bertl
great then! I'm pretty sure others will follow and complete the information for other systems (if they know about the plan)
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derWalter
could you create an according wiki article for this case?
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Bertl
you can do that yourself, you just need to register
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derWalter
as i see it the first time and dont know much about your organizing structure there
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Bertl
check a few existing pages how they look like and/or copy one and adapt it to your needs
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derWalter
okay
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Bertl
https://wiki.apertus.org/index.php?title=AXIOM_Alpha_Software
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Bertl
this for example is an overcrowded page which should be broken down into smaller parts
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Bertl
https://wiki.apertus.org/index.php?title=Zedboard
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Bertl
this on the other hand could benefit from some explanatory text
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derWalter
gosh, i dont even find those articles on the landing page...
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Bertl
https://wiki.apertus.org/index.php?title=Special:AllPages
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derWalter
okay :)
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Bertl
so maybe create a page called Lens Systems?
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Bertl
or Lens Mounts
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Bertl
https://wiki.apertus.org/index.php?title=Lens_Systems
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Bertl
https://wiki.apertus.org/index.php?title=Lens_Mounts
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derWalter
mhhh i never used a normal mediawiki :D
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derWalter
yeah, i would call it lenscommunication
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derWalter
mhhh yeah, mounts
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Bertl
and start categorizing the different mount systems by manufacturer and mount
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Bertl
describing the mounts with a small picture (make sure you're allowed to use it)
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derWalter
nikon F-mount, canon EF-mount, arri PL-mount
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derWalter
what else is planned to be supported? i dunno how sonys mount is called for instance
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seku
evenongs
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Bertl
derWalter: me neither, but I'm sure google will help to figure that out
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Bertl
seku: hey, how's going?
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derWalter
well, is there a list of the mounts planned to be supported?
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seku
quite well, just had the usual friday evening beer :)
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Bertl
Nikon F
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Bertl
Canon EF
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Bertl
Micro Four Thirds
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Bertl
(from the crowd funding page :)
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Bertl
and PL, IMS and Sony E later
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derWalter
woha....
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seku
still has a glimmer of hope for a speedbooster canon fullframe
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seku
love my 24-105 xD
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seku
all in good time tho
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seku
ill first use some vintage lenses ... got some takumar and minoltas lying around
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seku
btw, i got a bit curious about the 9DOF board youre hinting at indiegogo
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seku
are you planning something similar to the moovie? or sensor stabilisation? or somethign completely different?
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Bertl
we will see what we can use the IMU (actually more than one chip, but tiny devices) for
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Bertl
for certain we will investigate the option to utilize it for image stabilization
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Bertl
but it might end up as something completely different
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Bertl
of course, anybody can use it for his favorite purpose
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seku
less needed with global shutter, but still, at 180 degree shutter stabilisation is very welcome
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seku
for run and gun i mean... at a far far later stage :)
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Bertl
well, one application I can imagine is to aid stitching for panorama imaging
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Bertl
i.e. turn around with the camera in hand and get a nice panoramic image
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seku
if the sensors are that precise, that would be ... how do they say in english? ... awesomecake?
22:45
derWalter
ims seems to be nice: http://www.pstechnik.de/xe-controller-fz-wireless/a-1708/
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derWalter
ah so late.... gn8
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Bertl
yeah, I guess I'm off to bed as well ...
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Bertl
have a good one everyone ...
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derWalter
are you at home or also in amsterdam?=
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derWalter
tooooo slow :)
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Bertl_zZ
in austria :)
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seku
gut nächtle
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seku
just noticed now ... the funding campaign ends on my bday. that will be a nice present.
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troy_s
Bertl_zZ: Yes. The rings will focus. But full EF support would need the electronic points and code in the board.
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seku
all in good time i guess
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intracube
has anyone here tried grading the test footage?
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