#apertus IRC Channel Logs

I am interested in lower quality sensor chips.

well, the current target is kind of professional, but as it all is open and the interfaces are well known

we will feature a "low end" sensor (the cmv2000/4000) as well, but I guess you are referring to sensors below 150 USD

I don't have the exact/recent price but IIRC, below 250 USD

Ok. Have you produced any Open Source Digital Camera Design for Dummies materials? We are big on PhoneBloks style modularity, and we are developing such hypermodular machines in the heavy industry space.

most information is on the wiki or "in" the source code right now

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/axiom-beta-the-first-open-digital-cinema-camera

Where could I find your hardware and circuit files?

Is the hardware design for the Axiom Beta complete?

Is there a way to order an Axiom Beta at this time? Or that's for later once the Beta ships to the Indiegogo supporters? What price point are you aiming for for the completed camera including fabrication costs?

at the moment there is no way to get a Beta, but it will be sold once the Backers got a chance to get their Beta.

for the price, we will see as the camera will be sold at cost to the backers

Ok. We'd like to add this to our open hardware tools that we use at Open Source Ecology. Have you seen my TED Talk? http://www.ted.com/talks/marcin_jakubowski?language=en

but it will take some work to get all documented properly for this purpose

Can you point me to any decent references on the design of Modular Digital Camera Architectures?

not really, as far as I know we are the first one to tackle this

and there are other projects focusing on "low end" video

(I presume that's what you're looking for)

If the BOM cost you suggest on Indiegogo is about $1250, do you expect your manufactured cost to be about 2x that?

Also, the Project Partners fro Axiom Gamma - are they all aboard with the open hardware aspect? If so, that's a major accomplishment for open hardware.

we had to decline a bunch of potential partners because they had problems with FOSS/OH

the Gamma licenses are not yet set in stone, but for sure it will be an open design (so most likely cern OHL)

marcin___, about this ted talk, why did you do it? did it help your cause in any way?

just curious, did you encounter a problem with the Cern OHL?

Who are you aombk?

but definitely part of the community here :)

you're welcome :p

IRC is the main communication channel but e-Mail is fine as well.

for technical details, you best contact me, and for organizational things, se6astian

off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!

All of it.

morning se6astian

hi

someone told me that canon c100 c300 and c500 buttons are hard and noclick

aombk: i can try at work

yes comradekingu check that c300

but these are keyboards.

you thought i was talking about some c300 keyboard?

Canon c300 isnt the quality to aim for, just saying

comradekingu: we ordered a few samples from omron, alps, c&k components and multimec

well dammit, I missed giving _marcin a hard time

hello!

HAH, why

se6astian: are you working on the mixeo too?

they themselves believe what they are saying

mixeo?

http://m-labs.hk/mixxeo.html

yeah

and that after you talked with Sébastien at EHSM :)

I can think of some really cool stuff that could be done with an apertus camera and mixxeos

it also has a fader!

zooming and focusing with a fader would be awesome

zoom, focus, and HDR gain adjustment

http://www.eyetap.org/~siggraph2012/

hozer: nice

any motion graphics or 3d animators around?

hozer: there is your chance :)

Bertl - no, no issues with CERN license.

What is the market volume for professional cameras? Is it on the order of 1000 sold per year? Do you have any market data links?

not really yet, although I try to be as efficient as possible when building the Axiom :)

why does he always leave

The problem with marcin___'s project is he's re-inventing new designs for things that I can get used, like tractors, and what I really need is an open-source hardware NSF-certifiable soy milk maker

or a computer vision system with Axiom cameras that I can put on my antique combine

What is the market volume for professional cameras? Is it on the order of 1000 sold per year? Do you have any market data links?

marcin___: no idea

aaah, run it from a server?

I run finch on my server that's running all the time

there is also bip and muh

or there's this: http://irc.apertus.org/index.php?day=12&month=01&year=2015

yes, you can also simply read up on the irc logs

Bertl: I'm not familiar with the lantern reference

hozer: FOSS outernet receiver

or _a_ server :)

How many professional cameras are there in the world, guess? 1 Million?

like a high-dynamic range welding mask that lets you see the arc and the workpiece

so how many professional TIG welders (people) are there in the world

2: sudo apt-get install finch

how many of them would want one of these: http://www.eyetap.org/~siggraph2012/

so I'd say the open, component-based HDR welding camera market is at least 10,000

http://opensourceecology.org/wiki/IRC

a small (yet unpublished) program that I wrote a few years ago

hah

marcin___: also have a look at https://freenode.net/channel_guidelines.shtml , which gives some reason why you might *not* want to have irc logs

off for a nap ... bbl

So the main case against IRC logs is that IRC is more of a private discussion where people don't expect their words to be recorded for ever?

What is the critique of TED Talks - I have seen some comments in the log implying their negative side?

hrrm, cause irc has a long history of flamewars, and so you tend to write in interactive media for the people interactively participating in the conversation

I can't actually figure out a coherent critique besides that right now

so I like mailing lists, and IRC

forums are centralized, and I have little choice on how to view the forum

RepRap forums are centralized, for example?

any forum, while it might be open source, how do I get a copy if maintainer running the forum gets pissed off or runs out of money?

well

and you can either use the 'integrated' mail client, or, you know, an actual email client ;)

with a web-based IRC chatbox that redirects to freenode :)

hrrm

or maybe the channel

Is the idea that the Forum format issue of 'maintainer getting pissed off' or 'running out of money' addressed by email lists because everyone keeps copies of the emails in their email client?

So have transparency, and maintain temperature low.

to public/transparency.

s/I/the/

I think with email-based, you have a copy in your own personal archives. No need to contact a server that might be hard to reach

and if you did that right and had a currency with it, you could tip the people who made valuable contributions

well, that's an argument against it

?

well, free hardware

you also might like http://q3u.be/ ... my opinion is that the civilization start kit has to include a piece of hardware that comes with the full design specs to replicate that piece of hardware

so at some point I have to be able to fabricate replacement silicon chips on my farm

the big thing you're missing is ability to feed yourselves

Working on it. Mark Shepard is coming September, and we are intending to raise the full CSA operation - I see amazing words on this topic on your site.

Part of our work is developing a virally scalable distributed CSA operations. To get market share of honest food above 50% across the globe. Does that interest you?

cause this is technically a camera channel

I think building smaller 2 or 4 row combine harvesters, threshers, and grain millers is the biggest missing link right now ;) - it's in the works, first step is the base traction platform of the Tractor Construction Set. Goal is to develop new implements on 2 week time scale. Modular contract first desiign.

Yes, we're spamming the camera channel, but I wanted to ask - is dynamic range suggested in http://www.eyetap.org/~siggraph2012/ possible with the proposed Axion CMOS?

well, they did say it's open/free hardware, and we are talking about derivative work(s) ;)

hozer - are you an Apertus core developer?

Do you want to move to http://opensourceecology.org/wiki/OSE_IRC or stay here?

no, I am not on the core team

I just ran across apertus a few days ago and thought it was the coolest free hardware project I had run across in awhile

Is the dynamic range suggested in http://www.eyetap.org/~siggraph2012/ possible with the proposed Axion CMOS? Or that would be another CMOS?

good night

Bertl_zZ: can you share the code for the irc log?