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| 10:21 | se6astian | good morning
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| 15:08 | Bertl | morning folks!
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| 17:11 | se6astian | anyone around who has a pro/prosumer camera at hand currently?
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| 19:30 | aombk | se6astian, what qualifies as pro/prosumer camera?
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| 19:35 | se6astian | anything more expensive than a DSLR I guess :)
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| 19:35 | se6astian | I am interested in the pushbuttons on it
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| 19:36 | se6astian | as we are ordering pushbutton samples of all different kinds to understand the specifics
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| 19:36 | se6astian | eg. does it make a sound when you press them
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| 19:36 | se6astian | on my DSLR they all do
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| 19:36 | se6astian | now it would be interesting if they are silent on more pro oriented cameras
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| 19:36 | se6astian | is the "click" just a bit more silent
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| 19:37 | se6astian | or not "click" at all
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| 19:39 | aombk | where will there be buttons? on the remote control? by the way, what was the chosen name after all?
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| 19:41 | aombk | i will ask pro camera owners
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| 19:47 | se6astian | on the "AXIOM Remote"
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| 19:48 | aombk | i dont seem to own any equipment without click buttons
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| 20:00 | se6astian | what do you own?
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| 20:03 | danieel | i have both click and noclick buttons on a 550D
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| 20:06 | aombk | se6astian, mostly sound equipment
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| 20:14 | aombk | nobody seems to remember. the truth is i didnt remember too and i had to get my 550d to see what kind of buttons it has
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| 20:27 | se6astian | it indeed has silent ones
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| 20:27 | se6astian | but those have no tactile feedback when they switch
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| 20:27 | se6astian | optimally we want to have both on the AXIOM Remote
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| 20:28 | se6astian | silent tactile feedback
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| 20:28 | se6astian | but is it possible :)
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| 20:28 | se6astian | do even the pro cameras not have it?
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| 20:28 | se6astian | or what switches do they use...
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| 20:28 | se6astian | thats what I am trying to find out
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| 20:28 | Bertl | yes, with servo buttons, preferably hydraulic
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| 20:29 | Bertl | but the question is more, is it worth it?
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| 20:29 | Bertl | especially given that "modern" touch interfaces add a "click" sound to provide the kind of audible feedback you are looking to avoid :)
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| 20:35 | aombk | those sounds are great especially if there is lag involved
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| 20:36 | Bertl | hehe, yeah
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| 20:53 | hozer | 'modern' touch interfaces are a step backwards. Give me a nice click
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| 20:53 | hozer | and a deterministic time from click to actuation
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| 20:54 | Bertl | 3.725s :)
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| 20:54 | hozer | I could live with that with a 1ms standard deviation
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| 20:56 | hozer | if the OS has to swap out flash advertisements and check if the neighbor is not running the microwave before it feels like getting back to me it's a lose
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| 21:43 | aombk | i clicked every button i could find here
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| 21:43 | aombk | and i have to say i hate soft rubber buttons and i am unsure about hard noclick buttons
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| 21:43 | aombk | hard click buttons are great though
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| 21:46 | aombk | you could also think about the availability/popularity of the buttons and the easiness of replacing faulty ones, if someone wants to do it by himself
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| 21:47 | se6astian | in case this got out wrong
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| 21:47 | se6astian | I WANT the click buttons
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| 21:47 | se6astian | but I want to feel them not hear them :)
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| 21:49 | aombk | add "silent" when compiling then :P
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| 21:49 | aombk | https://www.e-switch.com/product-catalog/navigation
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| 21:51 | se6astian | we are also ordering those
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| 21:52 | aombk | i also want this on my axiom control https://www.e-switch.com/product-catalog/keylock/product-lines/ko-series-keylock-switches
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| 21:52 | aombk | so i can make it play an ignition start sound when i turn the key
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| 21:53 | aombk | it says silent here: http://www.toneparts.com/en/products/pro_lb.asp?classid=1&prv_id=41
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| 21:53 | aombk | you are affraid they may not feel ok?
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| 21:55 | se6astian | interesting find
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| 21:55 | se6astian | but we just ordered from farnell today
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| 21:56 | se6astian | ok time for bed
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| 22:06 | troy_s | Se6astian is, once again, on the right track. Tactile feedback is a prudent design goal to value on such a device.
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