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danieel: You seem to suffer from poopy-pants-itus. I mean you seemed like a reasonable and intelligent person a after being rehabilitated from an abhorrent troll, but man I don't get it.

danieel: So as far as I am concerned, for two peeps (se6astian and Bertl) that have done a hell of a lot with fsck all resources, I am rather shocked at the need to be sandpaper.

even the nofilmschool reported did not get the beta release - "ranted it will be a beta camera, which means that there will likely be bugs" ... but when i tell that BETA is used in other context, no.. they have to go with that name

Morning Bertl :)

I hope you didn't mind me rewriting the article once again before release ...

No, not al all.

Yes, it all looks great

I can imagine. it definitely isn't an easy job, we couldn't see the article anymore when we were finished :)

yes, kudos to all the folks working on those dry stuff!

good morning se6astian!

good morning

full day of university events to film ahead for me

we can consider if we want to reevaluate the idea to account for donations directly to us already ahead of the crowd funding campaign from now on

i.e. it would be better to get the crowd funding set up properly asap and tell the folks who want to get one personally as soon as it is available

but it would also lower the crowd funding target if we already received more donations beforehand

interesting results on the sensor poll after 234 votes cast

the nofilmschool article facebook post has already been shared 103 times!

and the CION from AJA

se6astian: I'm fine with any alternative/beforehand donation/contribution/etc we can do, as long as somebody handles the logistics :)

you have to deliver them

yes, but the problem is, that e.g. paypal will charge twice in this case, unless you can 'refund' it (which only works within a certain time frame)

if you do not meet the time frame, you can refund as gift.. with smaller fees

one option that IMHO would be perfectly fine is to allow folks to 'donate' 350+ EUR right now, with no refund if the crowd funding doesn't happen, but with the same perk/benefit as the folks joining the crowdfunding

for development

I guess we can spend arbitrary sums on development if we have them available ... just improves the results

what i can suggest is to finish the development, get quotes per 100+ or what is minimal to have it in nice price and then crowdfund

then you end up like me with RiftUP which we currently run on indiegogo

the price is high, so there is small interest, but with quantities we got the stuff a lot cheaper.. so at the end we made some money but havent sold much

users/developers

the responses are in same fashion under your annoucement.. so even the users did not get it correctly

yes

ah, 60Hz it seems?

and each eye sees only half of the screen or?

so you are basically competing with the oculus rift folks and their DK2?

there are some possibilities to supply stuff to startups.. but I doubt it will catch on.. it is not my primary market

they have already their solution

maybe I'm missing the obvious here

and dk2 is implementing some positional tracking, which was not on dk1

well, congrats! it seems like a very successful campain.

may I ask where you get the panel?

directly at Sharp

do you know (and not mind sharing) what they charge for the panel at small quantities (10-100)?

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Bertl: New sensor assembly?

Bertl / se6astian The reason a filmy group of folks want that sensor is strictly because it matches super35's aesthetic I wager.

It is a no brainer that folks keen on such a camera are interested in the larger sensor due to aesthetics.

You will see.

that is actually an excellent idea, we should add a 'why' with some options like:

- existing experience with that sensor

- sensor size

no idea, maybe se6astian knows?

and in the wiki

yes that one

heavily in favor of large sensors

Again, when the primary goal is cinema, the aesthetic is what it is about

even that sensor size is one variable, which can be compensated by adjusting others (shooting distance, focal length)

danieel: Utter rubbish

se6astian: fine with me, if they folks want to spend real money on the sensor, so be it

se6astian: That too is easily explained

se6astian: The current audience is hobby / enthusiast.

A lens has a fixed aesthetic (including color), and is something idiocy that has never studied photography would suggest.

troy_s: it is hard to judge that, when there is so much CGI today... and grading where budget allows

danieel: And you have a mountain of evidence to the contrary to overcome to support that position.

danieel: Many out there.

There is no comparison required to see why depth of field is moot on a dinky cell phone camera versus a longer lens wider gate cinema camera.

danieel: I take the silence as no-share then.

how many did you get an how much did you pay then?

well, thanks then, as usual, it was a pleasure :)

good night