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| 14:59 | Bertl | greetings!
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| 16:37 | se6ast1an | hi comradekingu, did we manage to meet at fosdem?
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| 16:41 | comradekingu | se6ast1an: I think I saw you, but I was a bit timid
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| 16:42 | comradekingu | Did see apertus people at both CCC and fosdem
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| 16:43 | se6ast1an | ah, well maybe you will be ready to come closer next time :)
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| 16:43 | comradekingu | Will do
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| 16:43 | comradekingu | At a train heading for warsaw. Have to redo the login every 15 mins, so not the best of connectivity
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| 16:46 | se6ast1an | right
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| 17:03 | RexOrCine | Meeting time.
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| 17:03 | se6ast1an | yes!
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| 17:03 | se6ast1an | who is here=
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| 17:03 | se6ast1an | ?
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| 17:03 | Bertl | is here
| | 17:04 | BAndiT1983 | me too
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| 17:04 | se6ast1an | hello!
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| 17:04 | se6ast1an | great!
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| 17:04 | RexOrCine | rahul?
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| 17:04 | vup | is here
| | 17:04 | se6ast1an | did you do a meeting last monday?
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| 17:04 | oscar__ | Hi!
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| 17:04 | se6ast1an | or should wetry to cover two weeks?
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| 17:04 | BAndiT1983 | was in amsterdam, had no time for meetings at certain time
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| 17:05 | BAndiT1983 | 2 weeks
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| 17:05 | BAndiT1983 | http://irc.apertus.org/index.php?day=03&month=02&year=2020
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| 17:05 | RexOrCine | He was getting baked.
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| 17:05 | BAndiT1983 | ?
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| 17:05 | RexOrCine | (stoned)
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| 17:06 | BAndiT1983 | nah, not my thing at all, but interesting fact was that many british youngsters were there and mostly stoned
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| 17:06 | Bertl | RexOrCine: do not generalize personal experiences ... :)
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| 17:06 | RexOrCine | I haven't got the money for getting baked.
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| 17:07 | BAndiT1983 | you are preferring to sniff glue? ;)
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| 17:07 | Bertl | RexOrCine: just smoked :)
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| 17:07 | RexOrCine | ... I could cry.
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| 17:07 | BAndiT1983 | ehm, back to the meeting, please
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| 17:07 | se6ast1an | so before we go into the flavours and other utilities required lets get started. who wants to report about their last two weeks -> PM me and then I will try to put speakers in order
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| 17:07 | se6ast1an | afterwards we can discuss other general topics/plans/ideas
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| 17:08 | Bertl | got nothing relevant to report, was kept busy with the flu and other unfortunate events ...
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| 17:08 | RexOrCine | Is PB done Herbert?
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| 17:08 | Bertl | basically same state as last time we talked
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| 17:09 | se6ast1an | right, I hope the flu will let you out of bed again soon
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| 17:09 | se6ast1an | BAndiT1983: please go ahead
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| 17:09 | BAndiT1983 | alright, not too much to tell, but after we head performance problems on the remote, some general rework was done
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| 17:10 | BAndiT1983 | if my measurements are correct, we get an update in around 55ms, it's still a huge time (for my liking), but investigation is ongoing and i will add more unit tests to ensure proper drawing, so the overhead there is reduced
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| 17:11 | BAndiT1983 | have created a docker container with XC32 for CircleCI builds, the build itself will be extended with unit tests and code coverage
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| 17:11 | BAndiT1983 | couldn't succeed in building XC32 myself, as the source from microchip are not complete or at least are missing proper scripts
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| 17:12 | BAndiT1983 | in the course of investigations we have talked with Bertl, if another MCU would be possible, like atmel SAM E70, which is ARM and has open toolchains, this would cut the dependency on microchip compiler and so on
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| 17:12 | BAndiT1983 | that's it from me
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| 17:12 | se6ast1an | many thanks!
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| 17:12 | BAndiT1983 | no problem
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| 17:13 | RexOrCine | Past week I've been on this - https://i.postimg.cc/2yBWj6XK/Screenshot-from-2020-02-10-18-10-38.png
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| 17:14 | RexOrCine | ... Various additions were made tot his page thr week before that - https://wiki.apertus.org/index.php/10-Enclosures_and_Associated_Mechanical_Parts
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| 17:15 | RexOrCine | Various other bits and pieces but not important.
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| 17:15 | se6ast1an | thanks!
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| 17:15 | BAndiT1983 | we should investigate how to create clean thumbnails, as many small texts from original images are distracting the eye, full image with text would appear after clicking
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| 17:16 | se6ast1an | BAndiT1983: I also noticed you did decide to (co)mentor again for GSoC 2020 and added some tasks, great!
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| 17:16 | RexOrCine | Happy with a solution for that as long as the tags stay intact if someone takes the images.
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| 17:16 | BAndiT1983 | yep, was last moment decision
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| 17:16 | se6ast1an | quick update from me:
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| 17:17 | se6ast1an | fosdem occupied me mostly and meeting people in belgium as you probably already read in details
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| 17:17 | se6ast1an | great to see you here oscar__!
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| 17:17 | oscar__ | Roger!
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| 17:17 | se6ast1an | beside that the GSoC 2020 application has been submitted last week
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| 17:18 | se6ast1an | with a bit of luck we are again particiapting and will be notified feb 20th
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| 17:19 | oscar__ | Perfect
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| 17:19 | se6ast1an | thats it from my side
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| 17:19 | se6ast1an | vup any news?
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| 17:19 | vup | nothing new from me in the last two weeks, still stuck with exams
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| 17:19 | se6ast1an | ok
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| 17:20 | se6ast1an | I think that completes the report part
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| 17:20 | se6ast1an | are there any other topics we want to discuss?
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| 17:21 | BAndiT1983 | remote and MCU maybe?
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| 17:22 | BAndiT1983 | Bertl: still there?
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| 17:22 | oscar__ | Apart from the Mozart Kucheln you brought to Belgium? ⦠Iâll contact Bertrand soon to meet up and work together with the Belgian beta.
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| 17:23 | Bertl | BAndiT1983: yup, still here ...
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| 17:23 | se6ast1an | oscar__: great, do you need any contact details?
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| 17:23 | oscar__ | I have an email address, so itâll work out I guess
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| 17:24 | se6ast1an | ok
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| 17:24 | se6ast1an | to give some context: what we were discussing among other things in belgium was that we should focus more on working with the camera as it currently is
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| 17:24 | Bertl | \o/
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| 17:24 | se6ast1an | we thought for some time that the USB3 module would be operational shortly so we waited for that
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| 17:25 | oscar__ | And win an Oscar :)
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| 17:25 | Bertl | we already got one, no? *G*
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| 17:25 | se6ast1an | the key is to find means of communication for whatever we create
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| 17:25 | oscar__ | Right⦠a Cesar then ;)
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| 17:26 | se6ast1an | to put emphasis on anything created not being "the best the camera could do" but rather it being a snapshot of the current development stage
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| 17:26 | se6ast1an | maybe a small text watermark in video/stills that shows the firmware version hash/version would be a way of doing that
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| 17:26 | se6ast1an | ideas welcome
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| 17:27 | oscar__ | Good idea!
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| 17:27 | Bertl | metadata should work for that, but if you want to brand it explicitely, why not
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| 17:29 | RexOrCine | When is footage likely to be shot?
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| 17:30 | se6ast1an | it would be a technical solution to have the hdmi overlay contain text about firmware already but I am not sure we want that burnt in?
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| 17:30 | se6ast1an | as it could always be added in post as well, but that requires manually noting these details
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| 17:30 | oscar__ | Iâd prefer to burn it in during rendering an edit, because who knows where the footage can be used later on (without the overly)
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| 17:31 | RexOrCine | Exactly.
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| 17:31 | se6ast1an | true
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| 17:33 | oscar__ | Footage can be shot at any time, but Iâll try to find ways to also shoot things during real productions (upcoming short film, feature documentary, scenes for a feature film or behind the scenes during shooting)
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| 17:33 | se6ast1an | we could create a template overlay that can be applied in post so the format is recognized between different projects
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| 17:34 | se6ast1an | I will create a simple draft for this overlay then we can discuss it
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| 17:36 | se6ast1an | btw my USB PID code request has not yet been merged, but there is also no request for change or anything...
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| 17:36 | se6ast1an | https://github.com/pidcodes/pidcodes.github.com/pull/494
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| 17:36 | oscar__ | OK, perfect.
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| 17:37 | se6ast1an | oscar did the stripe account verify succeed ?
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| 17:41 | se6ast1an | Bertl: did you get to try the rubber laser cutting?
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| 17:41 | Bertl | nope
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| 17:42 | se6ast1an | ok
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| 17:44 | oscar__ | @se6ast1an: I think so because the request for documents disappeared. I only have a notification for âUpdate your integration now for SCAâ
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| 17:44 | se6ast1an | good, yeah that should be a separate issue
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| 17:47 | se6ast1an | BAndiT1983: you wanted to talk about the MCU
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| 17:48 | se6ast1an | what is the context exactly? just CI for xc32?
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| 17:49 | BAndiT1983 | it's more of the general thing, the microchip toolchain is forcing one into their universe
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| 17:50 | se6ast1an | sure, but we have several PICs on different PCBs already
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| 17:51 | se6ast1an | so I see no advantage of "leaving that universe" as you say or am I missing something?
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| 17:51 | BAndiT1983 | personally i would see ARM as more open alternative, toolchains- and information-wise
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| 17:51 | BAndiT1983 | Bertl: have you done any more thinking on that topic?
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| 17:52 | Bertl | note: from the PCB side, I'm open to alternatives like the SAM 70 I already suggested
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| 17:53 | Bertl | it was also proposed to go the FPGA route with some Lattice ECP part, but I think this adds flexibility where we do not need it while complicating stuff and adding a lot of resource overhead
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| 17:54 | Bertl | (i.e. lower performance, higher power consumption, etc)
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| 17:56 | BAndiT1983 | Bertl: is there a roadmap for pic32? cannot find what microchip is planning generally
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| 17:57 | BAndiT1983 | this is at least the current list of microchip 32bit MCUs -> https://www.microchip.com/design-centers/32-bit
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| 17:58 | BAndiT1983 | sam e70 is also theirs now, since acquisition of atmel, but arm is more open than pic32
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| 17:58 | Bertl | s/pic32/mips/
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| 18:01 | se6ast1an | right I have to leave now to still buy stuff in the supermarket before it closes
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| 18:02 | se6ast1an | feel free to continue the discussion without me and I will read up on it later
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| 18:03 | se6ast1an | next official meeting again next monday 18:00 as usual
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| 18:04 | BAndiT1983 | Bertl: and here i would start screaming, just out of pain -> https://microchipdeveloper.com/harmony3:same70-getting-started-training-module
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| 18:04 | BAndiT1983 | they really added sam e70 and others to xc32 and harmony
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| 18:04 | Bertl | well, makes sense from their perspective, no?
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| 18:05 | BAndiT1983 | yes, but from my perspective is harmony giving me creeps every time
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| 18:05 | Bertl | never used it ... so can't tell
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| 18:05 | BAndiT1983 | same here, just seeing the examples when trying to find how to set things in plain, without any code generator
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| 18:06 | BAndiT1983 | don't remember if we have discussed advantages and disadvantages of trying sam e70
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| 18:10 | Bertl | well, from the hardware design it's probably the same
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| 18:11 | BAndiT1983 | don't think that firmware would need too many adjustments
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| 18:12 | BAndiT1983 | some modules are already separated, so overall it would only require setting right pins again
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| 18:12 | BAndiT1983 | USB is a bit different topic, but also not that wild
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| 18:13 | oscar__ | Have to go too, but Iâll catch up later. Bertl: Hello from Manon and say hello to Morrigan!
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| 18:14 | Bertl | oscar__: will do
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| 18:14 | oscar__ | Bye!
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| 18:48 | Bertl | okay, off to bed again ... have fun!
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