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| 00:17 | mithro | Bertl_oO: why do you guys use OHS Park? The quality, timeline and price all seems worse then other people I've used...
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| 00:17 | Bertl_oO | what have you used?
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| 00:21 | mithro | Hackvana, Dirty PCB and a couple of other places I don't recall if the top of my head.
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| 00:23 | mithro | I've been the happiest with Hackvana (for the price / time / quality balance)
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| 00:23 | Bertl_oO | okay, let's do a comparison for one of our boards then
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| 00:23 | mithro | Dirty PCB have pretty crappy via, but when accuracy doesn't matter as much they are really quite cheap
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| 00:26 | Bertl_oO | I presume you have accounts at Hackvana and Dirty PCB, yes?
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| 00:26 | mithro | I haven't look closely at the spec - maybe OHS can do smaller elements
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| 00:26 | Bertl_oO | let's run the AXIOM Beta Main Board (v0.33) just for a price comparison
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| 00:27 | Bertl_oO | do you need gerbers or will eagle files do?
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| 00:28 | mithro | Is that 2 or 4 layer?
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| 00:29 | Bertl_oO | 4layer
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| 00:30 | mithro | For the little expansion boards the minimum price would have been the same at Hackvana but I would have ended up with 3 times as many boards.
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| 00:30 | Bertl_oO | you are aware that the OSHpark prices are for three boards?
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| 00:31 | Bertl_oO | reading through the Hackvana faq, I see a few points which make it inferior to OSHpark
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| 00:32 | Bertl_oO | first, "reliable" shipping costs a lot, while international shipping is free on OSHpark
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| 00:33 | Bertl_oO | secondly, the Hackvana PCBs seem to be manufactured in china, which is against our fair labor, fair trade policy (https://www.apertus.org/opensource)
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| 00:34 | Bertl_oO | finally, OSHpark has high resolution silk on both sides, and high speed FR408 for the 4layer boards
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| 00:36 | Bertl_oO | I agree that the folks at OSHpark are not as flexible regarding board thickness or color (after all it's their signature) but in general we are very happy with the quality made in USA
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| 00:37 | mithro | Bertl_oO: OHS Park sent my boards through normal post without tracking? IE same as Singapore post
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| 00:37 | Bertl_oO | but they will redo + resend if you don't get them
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| 00:38 | mithro | Did your boards have horrible little burs were they have broken the boards apart?
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| 00:39 | Bertl_oO | not sure what you mean with burs
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| 00:43 | mithro | I'll take a picture when I get to work
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| 00:43 | Bertl_oO | okay
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| 00:46 | mithro | Using a new place you always wonder if everything is typical or not
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| 00:46 | Bertl_oO | of course
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| 00:51 | mithro | Hackvana has also helped me get quick PCB boards when I've been in a bind before, so I probably have extra favourable feeling towards him
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| 00:52 | Bertl_oO | that's okay :)
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| 00:54 | mithro | Always good to know your options :-)
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| 00:55 | mithro | Dirty PCB only wins on price really
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| 00:55 | mithro | I havnt found a cheaper option for small boards you don't really care about to much
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| 00:56 | Bertl_oO | also china based and "only" FR4
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| 00:57 | mithro | IE not the axiom motherboard :-)
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| 00:57 | Bertl_oO | yup
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| 00:57 | mithro | Great for little avr stuff though
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| 01:02 | mithro | Have you guys had any experience with PCB Pool at all?
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| 01:03 | Bertl_oO | yes, they are fine for larger quantities, but not competitive for small ones
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| 01:05 | mithro | I saw the Titan guys using them
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| 01:06 | mithro | https://github.com/emqual/titan
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| 01:07 | mithro | BTW You have been using eagle for your hardware designs right?
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| 01:08 | Bertl_oO | yep
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| 01:12 | mithro | Shouldn't you be using kicad? :-)
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| 01:12 | Bertl_oO | yes, it is on our todo list
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| 01:13 | Bertl_oO | luckily eagle uses an xml format since 6.0, and conversion tools (not complete, but useable) to convert the designs to kicad are available
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| 01:15 | mithro | Kicad can read eagle parts libraries directly now IIRC
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| 01:15 | Bertl_oO | yep
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| 02:52 | Bertl_oO | off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
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| 03:08 | aombk2 | http://aombk.attinom.net/otr/?page_id=354
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| 03:28 | mithro | Bertl_zZ: These are the burs I was talking about -> https://goo.gl/photos/7mY3yfwZmM7kr3Dw8
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| 06:52 | se6astian | good morning
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| 10:18 | Bertl | morning folks!
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| 10:19 | Bertl | mithro: yes, the bridges between PCBs are normal, you can easily break them off with pliers and file the rest away in a few seconds
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| 10:20 | mithro | Bertl: I haven't seen them in ~5 years, so they kind of surprised me a bit
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| 10:21 | Bertl | yeah, I guess it saves them a lot of time not to remove them (which certainly helps with the price)
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| 10:22 | Bertl | v-groves as many others do are not really possible if you pack small PCBs together
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| 10:23 | mithro | Bertl: most places based in china seem to just do full routes and then manual sort afterwards
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| 10:26 | Bertl | OSHpark is not perfect, we discovered a few problems there during the quite long time we have been using the service now
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| 10:27 | Bertl | but it seems to be a good balance between fair labor and reasonable pricing with worldwide shipping
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| 10:27 | Bertl | nevertheless, as we provide all the necessary design files, you can still have it done at your favorite china fab :)
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