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| 06:16 | Bertl | morning folks!
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| 06:59 | se6astian | good morning
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| 09:45 | RexOrCine | Greets
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| 12:50 | RexOrCine | Anything good going on? Two units out today aye?
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| 13:01 | se6astian | had to delay shipping until tomorrow
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| 13:03 | RexOrCine | Right
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| 14:25 | Spirit532 | Hey apertus, Bertl_oO, se6astian, I think paypal is now fine with crowdfunding/prepurchases
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| 14:25 | Spirit532 | https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/ua/upcoming-policies-full
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| 14:26 | Bertl_oO | yeah, but probably only with a crowd funding platform
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| 14:27 | Spirit532 | But wasn't indiegogo one?
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| 14:27 | Spirit532 | With the prepurchase vouchers
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| 14:27 | Bertl_oO | yes, but not sure they will see it the same e.g. for current phase 1 payments, etc
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| 14:28 | Bertl_oO | during indigogo it was fine with paypal
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| 14:28 | Bertl_oO | but se6astian has the details there ...
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| 14:28 | Spirit532 | Did you get your account unfrozen?
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| 14:29 | Bertl_oO | I guess so
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| 14:33 | se6astian | the problem was never the crowdfunding money
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| 14:33 | se6astian | which indiegogo also raises through paypal
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| 14:36 | Spirit532 | Do you get paid by indiegogo, or directly by all backers?
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| 14:49 | se6astian | indiegogo
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| 14:50 | se6astian | does anybody else notice SSL problems with https://www.apertus.org ?
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| 14:53 | kaiserli_ | yes
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| 14:53 | kaiserli_ | certificate?
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| 14:53 | kaiserli_ | expired
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| 14:53 | kaiserli_ | 9 may (:
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| 14:53 | kaiserli_ | www.apertus.org uses an invalid security certificate.
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| 14:54 | kaiserli_ | The certificate expired on 9 May 2016 15:28. The current time is 9 May 2016 16:53.
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| 14:54 | se6astian | ok :)
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| 14:54 | se6astian | morrigan1: will renew it soon I hope
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| 14:55 | kaiserli_ | weird though, because i think normally, one can choose to still browse a site
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| 14:55 | kaiserli_ | ahh
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| 14:55 | kaiserli_ | ok: This site uses HTTP Strict Transport Security (HSTS) to specify that Firefox only connect to it securely. As a result, it is not possible to add an exception for this certificate.
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| 14:57 | Guillaume_Chooks | chrome block me for apertus.org and irc, and in the same time strange things one my email box, i was starting to be crazy, now im cool :) like relaxiom !
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| 14:57 | kaiserli_ | lol
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| 14:59 | se6astian | time to run :)
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| 16:09 | se6astian | www.apertus.org is back!
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| 16:09 | se6astian | thanks to lets encrypt
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| 20:56 | RexOrCine | Have a quick look at HC se6astian
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| 21:32 | Napejts | is it harder to learn c++ than c# f? i want to learn for a game engine, which takes over garbarge coll.
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| 22:55 | Spirit532 | If you are making a game engine with garbage collection in C#, you're doing your entire life wrong and you should rethink your career choices, Napejts
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| 22:55 | Spirit532 | But yes, C++ is much harder than C#
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| 22:55 | Napejts | lol
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| 22:56 | Napejts | garbage coll. only at the engine, which uses c++ ;)
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| 22:56 | Napejts | i don't make the engine.
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| 22:56 | Spirit532 | Which engine understands C++ & C#?
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| 22:57 | Spirit532 | Unity is C# only, Unreal is C++ exclusively, aside from scripts
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| 22:58 | Napejts | that is what i wrote.
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| 22:58 | Napejts | i mean*
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| 22:58 | Spirit532 | From your message I assumed you wanted to make your own engine with garbage collection
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| 23:00 | Napejts | no
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| 23:01 | Napejts | just which one i shouldlearn
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| 23:03 | Spirit532 | C++
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| 23:04 | Napejts | ioh noo
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| 23:04 | Napejts | yaya. if you know c++ you know everything
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| 23:04 | Napejts | who cares,come on
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| 23:04 | Napejts | -_-
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| 23:05 | Spirit532 | No....
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| 23:05 | Napejts | you don't learn driving in a suv
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| 23:05 | Spirit532 | If you know C++, you know C & C++
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| 23:05 | Napejts | i do not need c
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| 23:05 | Spirit532 | You do
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| 23:05 | Spirit532 | You're not writing all the code in C++
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| 23:05 | Napejts | i need my own games.
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| 23:05 | Spirit532 | Good
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| 23:05 | Spirit532 | Learn C++
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| 23:05 | Napejts | c isn't used in UE
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| 23:05 | Spirit532 | It is.
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| 23:06 | Napejts | either it is c++. in 99% blueprint is enough i read
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| 23:06 | Napejts | you can do everything with bp
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| 23:06 | Spirit532 | Blueprint means a fully blueprint game
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| 23:06 | Spirit532 | C++ is fully C++
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| 23:06 | Spirit532 | You choose either
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| 23:06 | Napejts | you can combine c++ and bp in ue
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| 23:07 | Napejts | c isn't used in UE
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| 23:07 | Spirit532 | It's not pure C++
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| 23:07 | Napejts | o0
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| 23:07 | Napejts | what else
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| 23:08 | Napejts | i know that c++ is build on c
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| 23:08 | Napejts | and with oop
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| 23:10 | Spirit532 | yes
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| 23:11 | Napejts | so its not c
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| 23:11 | Napejts | its c++
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| 23:12 | Napejts | its not for free called c plus plus
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| 23:12 | Napejts | and why do you recommend c++ as first lang.
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| 23:14 | Spirit532 | because it's challenging, rewarding, and you can basically code anywhere you wish afterwards
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| 23:14 | Spirit532 | be it the apertus camera or your smart watch
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| 23:15 | Napejts | i dont want that at the moment.
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| 23:15 | Spirit532 | spare yourself the trouble
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| 23:15 | Napejts | for the first years i want only agame.
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| 23:15 | Spirit532 | C++ is flexible
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| 23:16 | Napejts | c++ makes trouble.
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| 23:16 | Spirit532 | nope
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| 23:18 | Napejts | ill first learn c#, then c++ :) how about that
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| 23:18 | Spirit532 | do that but backwards
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| 23:18 | Napejts | lol
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| 23:18 | Napejts | oh men
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| 23:22 | Napejts | but theni cant use unity
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| 23:22 | Spirit532 | unity is bad
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| 23:23 | Napejts | they have great asset store
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| 23:23 | Napejts | :)
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| 23:23 | Spirit532 | yeah, for garbage games
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| 23:25 | Napejts | what matters is that they bring you enough money
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| 23:25 | Spirit532 | nope
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| 23:25 | Spirit532 | that's not how making games works
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| 23:25 | Spirit532 | stop right away
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| 23:25 | Spirit532 | abort
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| 23:25 | Napejts | there is no 0 or 1 / true or false
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| 23:25 | Napejts | life is grey colored.
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| 23:25 | Spirit532 | nope nop nuuu abort.
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| 23:26 | Spirit532 | you don't make games for money.
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| 23:26 | Spirit532 | (unless you're EA/Dice)
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| 23:26 | Napejts | i see only companys like this
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| 23:26 | Spirit532 | dunno
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| 23:26 | Spirit532 | I've dumped 1500 hours into TF2 and I still find it fun
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| 23:26 | Napejts | every game wants money for his dev.
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| 23:26 | Spirit532 | But not as the main goal
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| 23:26 | Napejts | ofc not
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| 23:27 | Napejts | but still money
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| 23:27 | Napejts | has to be in this system
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